[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Good article and HIGHLY relevant to this discussion.
Written by two national level bodybuilders some here might recognize…might I recomend the section on Dieting and Leptin Resistance.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Ok…let me get this straight.
“I’m leaner than you even though I am not that big” equals not trying to be superior.
“I’m more muscular than you even though I am not that lean” equals trying to show how superior you are.
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No…ending posts with “does not matter what you think I am bigger”
Ignore the fat.[/quote]
With you, do we ignore the lesser degree of muscle?
I mean, seriously, you look decent, but you are not that big for all of this from you.
I never insulted you but you constantly insult me.
Yes, I am likely carrying more muscle than you especially for my height. Yes, that shouild count for something even if I never get into contest shape.
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With you, do we ignore the lesser degree of leanness?
I mean, seriously, you look decent, but you are not that lean for all of this from you.
Yes, that should count for something even if I never get hyooge.
See how that works? Everyone has different goals. You always claim to be superior because you have full house goals while others do not.
I don’t see any of the BB competitors CONSTANTLY running their mouths and saying crap like, “I don’t see many here with my level of leanness.”
[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
Sorry, was in class. Okay, here we go.
First: Professor X, Bauber did NOT “bulk up”, as according to your definition. He stated himself that he watches all of his macros, eats clean, and tries to stay relatively lean year round. He did not, I repeat, did not just “bulk up” and lift for just size like you claim. The guy has plans to compete and wants to diet soon. I don’t know how you would even know what he has done considering you don’t even know him and haven’t, to my knowledge, spoken with him.[/quote]
Uh, he isn’t that lean…and I “eat clean” also. He wouldn’t be that size if he never bulked up at all. Bulking up does NOT mean reach some super high body fat level.
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Second: I don’t know why you keep throwing out the whole “this shit doesn’t happen in real life” thing. Are you trying to imply that you think that none of us “smaller” or “less developed” guys would have the balls to call you out in real life because we’d be intimidated or something. [/quote]
I am IMPLYING that in a real gym setting there is no way in hell the guy weighing over 250lbs is getting laughed at for how obese he is if he was in the condition as the picture shown.
This conversation would never happen. It has nothing to do with simple intimidation. I haven’t written anything here for any of you to be acting like this…so once again, the chances of this EVER happening in real life are slim to none.
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I can guarantee I wouldn’t be. To follow your lead and use a whole bunch of anecdotal evidence to support my claims, I have numerous buddies who have attained a respectable amount of size. One was on the football team here at my university, weighing in at a high of 305 at a height of 6’2". Another, 5’8" or so, weighed in at around 220, and pretty lean. I have been around plenty of “big” guys, man. Don’t think your size makes you scary to all us “small” guys. I call it how I see it, online or not.[/quote]
You seem to have some issues not completely worked out for this response.
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Third: There are other guys close to your size on this site or, in Bauber’s case, bigger. I think H4M is big as hell. As is Waylanderxx. Synergy, etc. I do agree, however, that some of these guys did “bulk” for a time, like you say. Still, I don’t know why you keep saying, “I don’t see many here with this size, development, whatever”, as it’s just not flying.
Lastly: There is a guy that trains at my gym that, I would say, is very close to your size. I do not find this guy all that impressive. There are bigger guys than him there, and leaner at that. You need to stop acting like you’re a monolith or something.[/quote]
Uh, once again, the only point made is that you do not usually see guys that size WITHOUT BULKING UP AT ALL OR SPENDING SOME GOOD QUALITY TIME ON SIZE AND STRENGTH.
What exactly are you arguing against?
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
You always claim to be superior because you have full house goals while others do not.[/quote]
Where has this happened? Where have I claimed to be superior because of “full house goals” whatever the fuck that is?
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I don’t see any of the BB competitors CONSTANTLY running their mouths and saying crap like, “I don’t see many here with my level of leanness.”[/quote]
??? This is a website dedicated to building muscle. I am working on that and doing it. Getting called out by guys with LESS muscle crying about how lean I am when I am not that damn fat is dumb as hell.
It would make as much sense as constant posts about how much size you don’t have.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Where has this happened? Where have I claimed to be superior because of “full house goals” whatever the fuck that is?
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When has this not happened? You always spout of about others not being your size even though other people might want to be leaner than you and understand that they have to sacrifice some size to achieve that.
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Where has this happened? Where have I claimed to be superior because of “full house goals” whatever the fuck that is?
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When has this not happened? You always spout of about others not being your size even though other people might want to be leaner than you and understand that they have to sacrifice some size to achieve that.[/quote]
Me saying someone isn’t my size doesn’t mean my goals are “superior”. It is simply pointing out the truth.
You ARE acting like your goal of being leaner makes you superior to me because of the constant insults.
You are a hypocrite to call me out for it when you are doing it.
@Prof-I’m not really “arguing” so much as taking what you claim and showing you why you are wrong in some cases. You keep saying that Bauber HAD to have bulked up to get to that size, when he himself has spoken to the contrary. It seems pretty ridiculous that you try and claim something about a guy that he has said is NOT the case. That’s all.
Also, I would say Bauber is leaner than you, or at the very least, close. His arms look much more defined, as does his back. So, not sure why you keep comparing the two of you.
In regards to your claim that nobody would be laughing at a guy that looks like you in the gym: I’m not even laughing at you now. I’m taking this seriously. And, I have never, ever, said that you are obese. Don’t attempt to say that I have. And, yes, this conversation could and probably does happen. You really think that, just because of your size, no “smaller” guys would have any criticism for you. Of course they would.
In answer of your “you have issues” comment: Yes, I do have an issue. With you. I take issue with your stance on many of the things that have been discussed thus far in this thread. So, I’m giving my opinion. That’s all.
In regards to your last point: You keep saying “you do not usually see guys that size WITHOUT BULKING UP AT ALL OR SPENDING SOME GOOD QUALITY TIME ON SIZE AND STRENGTH”. Where are you getting this from? What evidence do you have to support this? I’m curious. I’m simply stating that there are, in fact, guys with size like that that don’t just all out “bulk”, like you claim. Also, I find it strange that you keep talking about guys spending “good quality time on size and strength”, as if everyone doesn’t do that. Who here doesn’t try and get bigger and stronger? It’s the Bigger Stronger Leaner forum.
Just because some guys take a different approach doesn’t mean they aren’t focusing on size and strength. That would be like trying to act like SS, Utah, Tr8n, Stu and others don’t have the goals of being bigger and stronger when they train. Ludicrous.
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Where has this happened? Where have I claimed to be superior because of “full house goals” whatever the fuck that is?
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When has this not happened? You always spout of about others not being your size even though other people might want to be leaner than you and understand that they have to sacrifice some size to achieve that.[/quote]
Just exactly what are you achieving here? You are constantly spouting about how fat you think the prof is along with encouraging others to do so. You really are no better than the standard you are supposedly holding him accountable to.
This is a bodybuilding site, yeah there are sub forums, but the vast majority of people come here to find out how to get big, not lean, and the ones that do come here to get lean first really by and large need a reality check and need to gain some size first.
Is your ego so fragile you can’t take a little criticism without making it your lifes purpose to throw e-punches to get your own back?
[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
You keep saying that Bauber HAD to have bulked up to get to that size, when he himself has spoken to the contrary[/quote]
He is over 300lbs. Do ou think you hit that by constantly dieting?
WTF?
Bulking up does not mean get to some certain fat level…so yeah, the guy did what we are recommending, he kept fat in check and worked on gaining…which is all I have ever said.
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It seems pretty ridiculous that you try and claim something about a guy that he has said is NOT the case. That’s all. Also, I would say Bauber is leaner than you, or at the very least, close. His arms look much more defined, as does his back. So, not sure why you keep comparing the two of you.[/quote]
Uh, YOU compared him by bringing him up…and if we are close, then what is the issue?
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In regards to your claim that nobody would be laughing at a guy that looks like you in the gym: I’m not even laughing at you now. I’m taking this seriously. And, I have never, ever, said that you are obese. Don’t attempt to say that I have. And, yes, this conversation could and probably does happen.[/quote]
Not in my gym. I have yet to see a guy run up to one of the more muscular guys there and start ranting about what some other guy did on youtube.
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You really think that, just because of your size, no “smaller” guys would have any criticism for you. Of course they would.[/quote]
WTF? That isn’t even what I wrote. I talk to people smaller than me al of the time for advice and criticvism in the gym. They areusually the older guys who really know their shit.
What are you talking about?
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In answer of your “you have issues” comment: Yes, I do have an issue. With you. I take issue with your stance on many of the things that have been discussed thus far in this thread. So, I’m giving my opinion. That’s all. p[/quote]
Then stop getting my stance wrong constantly like you have here.
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In regards to your last point: You keep saying “you do not usually see guys that size WITHOUT BULKING UP AT ALL OR SPENDING SOME GOOD QUALITY TIME ON SIZE AND STRENGTH”. Where are you getting this from? What evidence do you have to support this? I’m curious. I’m simply stating that there are, in fact, guys with size like that that don’t just all out “bulk”, like you claim. Also, I find it strange that you keep talking about guys spending “good quality time on size and strength”, as if everyone doesn’t do that. Who here doesn’t try and get bigger and stronger? It’s the Bigger Stronger Leaner forum. Just because some guys take a different approach doesn’t mean they aren’t focusing on size and strength. That would be like trying to act like SS, Utah, Tr8n, Stu and others don’t have the goals of being bigger and stronger when they train. Ludicrous. [/quote]
Once again, what do you think I mean by “bulk up”? Clearly it isn’t what I have written anywhere.
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Where has this happened? Where have I claimed to be superior because of “full house goals” whatever the fuck that is?
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When has this not happened? You always spout of about others not being your size even though other people might want to be leaner than you and understand that they have to sacrifice some size to achieve that.[/quote]
Just exactly what are you achieving here? You are constantly spouting about how fat you think the prof is along with encouraging others to do so. You really are no better than the standard you are supposedly holding him accountable to.
This is a bodybuilding site, yeah there are sub forums, but the vast majority of people come here to find out how to get big, not lean, and the ones that do come here to get lean first really by and large need a reality check and need to gain some size first.
Is your ego so fragile you can’t take a little criticism without making it your lifes purpose to throw e-punches to get your own back?
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Thank you. Constant insults and attacks from guys claiming to be doing it because of how morally righteous they are is retarded.
I like that you and Guns seem to have a bond. That must be nice. Unfortunately, he seems to be the only person, besides maybe SteelyD, that really ever agrees with you. Now, it seems like you are saying that “bulking up” means to spend time in order to increase strength and muscle mass whilst keeping fat in check, correct? Well, my point is, who here isn’t doing that? Every single poster on this site most likely has goals of getting bigger and stronger. So, I’m not really sure what YOU are trying to argue here. You keep saying that Bauber had to have “bulked up” in order to get that big. In reality, all he did was work hard and eat right in order to add muscle tissue while keeping fat gains to a minimum. This is EXACTLY what SS, Utah, Stu, etc. etc. etc. have all been advocating: an attempt at adding muscle while trying to stay relatively lean. So, really, I don’t get how you can argue with that.
Do you really expect your delusional and incoherent ramblings to be read? Everyone plonked you long ago. Do you fantasize that your tantrums and conniption fits could possibly be worth the $0.000000001 worth of electricity used to send them? Your life is one big W.O.M.B.A.T. and your future doesn’t look promising either.
We need to trace your bloodline and terminate all siblings and cousins in order to cleanse humanity of your polluted genes. The good news is that no normal human would ever mate with you, so we won’t have to go into the sewers in search of your git.
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[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
Now, it seems like you are saying that “bulking up” means to spend time in order to increase strength and muscle mass whilst keeping fat in check, correct? Well, my point is, who here isn’t doing that?[/quote]
Now? LOL. That has been what I have said for 12 years here. People deting constantly for abs while disregarding size are not doing that and yes, there are people here who are doing that.
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Every single poster on this site most likely has goals of getting bigger and stronger. So, I’m not really sure what YOU are trying to argue here.[/quote]
That to get really big takes some quality time just working on size and strength and that most of the guys who got really big were not the ones dieting constantly. that doesn’t mean IGNORE fat gain. It means everyone does not havethe same optimal range for growth when it comes to body comp.
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You keep saying that Bauber had to have “bulked up” in order to get that big. In reality, all he did was work hard and eat right in order to add muscle tissue while keeping fat gains to a minimum. [/quote]
…and his minimum is highly individualistic. He is carrying more fat than some here seem comfortable with…which is different than what I am saying how?
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This is EXACTLY what SS, Utah, Stu, etc. etc. etc. have all been advocating: an attempt at adding muscle while trying to stay relatively lean. So, really, I don’t get how you can argue with that.[/quote]
No, by constantly acting like I did it wrong and insulting me, they are basically saying that someone who built the size I did somehow did it wrong.
The point again is that if body fat is your primary focus WHEN GAINING, you will likely sacrifice some muscle gains in the long run.
No one has told anyone to gain fat.
^Woah, ish. Who was that directed at?
[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
I like that you and Guns seem to have a bond. That must be nice. Unfortunately, he seems to be the only person, besides maybe SteelyD, that really ever agrees with you. Now, it seems like you are saying that “bulking up” means to spend time in order to increase strength and muscle mass whilst keeping fat in check, correct? Well, my point is, who here isn’t doing that? Every single poster on this site most likely has goals of getting bigger and stronger. So, I’m not really sure what YOU are trying to argue here. You keep saying that Bauber had to have “bulked up” in order to get that big. In reality, all he did was work hard and eat right in order to add muscle tissue while keeping fat gains to a minimum. This is EXACTLY what SS, Utah, Stu, etc. etc. etc. have all been advocating: an attempt at adding muscle while trying to stay relatively lean. So, really, I don’t get how you can argue with that.[/quote]
Save your breath.
Did you do the drawing in your avatar?
It’s alarming just how full of shit PX is. It also cracks me up that he keeps talking about building strength. What is he strong at other than self denial and insecurity?
You have to love the constant insults from people claiming that I am doing it…when that isn’t happening.
self righteous hypocrisy-estrogen nation?
@Prof-I understand where you’re coming from and, as I’ve already stated a few times now, I respect the amount of size you have. All I have been stating is that, really, Bauber did it more like Utah, SS, etc. as opposed to “your way”. He didn’t just diet all the time, no. However, he also didn’t just put staying lean on the back-burner just to get big. He tried to balance the two, as he said himself. He said that he chose and still chooses to watch how he eats in order to prevent gaining too much fat. That doesn’t equate to an all out “bulk-for-size” approach.
Also, why do you keep talking about guys “dieting all the time for abs”? It’s not like Utah, SS, and crew do that. They also lift to get bigger, no? It’s not like they run and purge at the first sign of fat. Your final point that, when gaining, worrying about body fat can limit muscle gains, really can be disproved by research, specifically the article posted in this thread. There is quite a bit of information out there that supports the claim that lean gaining is just as efficient at building muscle as is “bulking”. If this wasn’t true, why would there be the new trend of staying lean and mean as of late?
@Smashing-No, I wish ha. It’s from the film Donnie Darko. As a side note, you a pretty jacked, man. Kudos.
@Flash-Yeah, I’m not saying anything about his character, as that’s not my place. However, it does seem odd that he places things in this order: Size>Strength>Leanness. I’m not saying he isn’t somewhat strong, but he doesn’t seem to be very strong for his size. Really, like Wendler and Tate seem to say: “What the hell is size without strength? Nothing.”
[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
@Prof-I understand where you’re coming from and, as I’ve already stated a few times now, I respect the amount of size you have. All I have been stating is that, really, Bauber did it more like Utah, SS, etc. as opposed to “your way”. He didn’t just diet all the time, no. However, he also didn’t just put staying lean on the back-burner just to get big. He tried to balance the two, as he said himself. He said that he chose and still chooses to watch how he eats in order to prevent gaining too much fat. That doesn’t equate to an all out “bulk-for-size” approach. [/quote]
Dude, I am NOT a career bodybuilder. I was in the military and had a whole life outside of the gym. No one gained fat ON PURPOSE. I just didn’t wory about dieting because at the time it made more sense to work on that size alone especially considering my other responsibilities.
He gained and bulked enough to reach that size. You seem to be thinking thatI am tellng people to get fatter than him?
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Also, why do you keep talking about guys “dieting all the time for abs”? It’s not like Utah, SS, and crew do that.[/quote]
…uh, and they are not the only ones on this forum.
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. Your final point that, when gaining, worrying about body fat can limit muscle gains,[/quote]
Uh, that isn’t what I wrote. It is strange watching you twist words around. I said that making fat your primary focus can limit muscle gains. Yes, worrying about fat to the point that it limits muscle gains can be a problem also.
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really can be disproved by research, specifically the article posted in this thread. There is quite a bit of information out there that supports the claim that lean gaining is just as efficient at building muscle as is “bulking”. If this wasn’t true, why would there be the new trend of staying lean and mean as of late? [/quote]
Hey, if you are taking the same drugs as the pros’ then ignore what comp your own body grows best at and only worry about your body fat percentage number.