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I know you were in the military. Like I’ve said, I have been a lurker for a bit now. I know your story, so there’s no need to tell me it. Personally, I don’t even need to know about your personal life. Let’s not make it about that. This is just an objective discussion about ways to gain muscle mass and I provided Bauber just as an example of someone who didn’t really do it your way. He gained, realized he had gained too much fat, dieted a bit, gained, etc. That’s all I’m saying. He even said that, once he got up to 335, he didn’t think he looked good at all, and has opted to watch fat gains since. That isn’t exactly “bulking”.

That’s just gaining muscle, losing fat, gaining muscle, round and round. Just like everyone else. Bottom line: Everyone is going towards the same place, which is getting big and lean. People are just taking different routes. I don’t know why you can’t accept that.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
Now, it seems like you are saying that “bulking up” means to spend time in order to increase strength and muscle mass whilst keeping fat in check, correct? Well, my point is, who here isn’t doing that?[/quote]

Now? LOL. That has been what I have said for 12 years here. People deting constantly for abs while disregarding size are not doing that and yes, there are people here who are doing that.

[quote]
Every single poster on this site most likely has goals of getting bigger and stronger. So, I’m not really sure what YOU are trying to argue here.[/quote]

That to get really big takes some quality time just working on size and strength and that most of the guys who got really big were not the ones dieting constantly. that doesn’t mean IGNORE fat gain. It means everyone does not havethe same optimal range for growth when it comes to body comp.

[quote]
You keep saying that Bauber had to have “bulked up” in order to get that big. In reality, all he did was work hard and eat right in order to add muscle tissue while keeping fat gains to a minimum. [/quote]

…and his minimum is highly individualistic. He is carrying more fat than some here seem comfortable with…which is different than what I am saying how?

[quote]
This is EXACTLY what SS, Utah, Stu, etc. etc. etc. have all been advocating: an attempt at adding muscle while trying to stay relatively lean. So, really, I don’t get how you can argue with that.[/quote]

No, by constantly acting like I did it wrong and insulting me, they are basically saying that someone who built the size I did somehow did it wrong.

The point again is that if body fat is your primary focus WHEN GAINING, you will likely sacrifice some muscle gains in the long run.

No one has told anyone to gain fat.[/quote]

This is true. I’ve been on this site on and off for 10 years and X has never changed this stance. All the “eat a burger”, “get fat to reach 200lbs or you’re small” nonsense didn’t come from him.

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[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
I know you were in the military. Like I’ve said, I have been a lurker for a bit now. I know your story, so there’s no need to tell me it. Personally, I don’t even need to know about your personal life. Let’s not make it about that. This is just an objective discussion about ways to gain muscle mass and I provided Bauber just as an example of someone who didn’t really do it your way. He gained, realized he had gained too much fat, dieted a bit, gained, etc. That’s all I’m saying. He even said that, once he got up to 335, he didn’t think he looked good at all, and has opted to watch fat gains since. That isn’t exactly “bulking”.

That’s just gaining muscle, losing fat, gaining muscle, round and round. Just like everyone else. Bottom line: Everyone is going towards the same place, which is getting big and lean. People are just taking different routes. I don’t know why you can’t accept that.[/quote]

He took advantage of some very valuable years in his life to gain a lot of mass. This won’t be the same after a certain age. I am now 33 yrs old attempting to rebuild what i did at 18 to 24, which was around 50lbs of mass. Its is not the same. At 18yrs you can literally blow up with minimal fat gain even if you eat crap and don’t sleep much, provided you bring forth the intensity in the gym. Thats not going to happen after a certain age.

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[quote]dt79 wrote:

[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
I know you were in the military. Like I’ve said, I have been a lurker for a bit now. I know your story, so there’s no need to tell me it. Personally, I don’t even need to know about your personal life. Let’s not make it about that. This is just an objective discussion about ways to gain muscle mass and I provided Bauber just as an example of someone who didn’t really do it your way. He gained, realized he had gained too much fat, dieted a bit, gained, etc. That’s all I’m saying. He even said that, once he got up to 335, he didn’t think he looked good at all, and has opted to watch fat gains since. That isn’t exactly “bulking”.

That’s just gaining muscle, losing fat, gaining muscle, round and round. Just like everyone else. Bottom line: Everyone is going towards the same place, which is getting big and lean. People are just taking different routes. I don’t know why you can’t accept that.[/quote]

He took advantage of some very valuable years in his life to gain a lot of mass. This won’t be the same after a certain age. I am now 33 yrs old attempting to rebuild what i did at 18 to 24, which was around 50lbs of mass. Its is not the same. At 18yrs you can literally blow up with minimal fat gain even if you eat crap and don’t sleep much, provided you bring forth the intensity in the gym. Thats not going to happen after a certain age.
[/quote]

Good post.

Some of you can’t seem to understand this.

I did what I had to do to get to this size. This meant not having to DIET all the time so I can build my size.

Your body has a very limited time to get BIG. This is why I have done it and the people who DEGRADE me haven’t.

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[quote]ishinator wrote:

[quote]dt79 wrote:

[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
I know you were in the military. Like I’ve said, I have been a lurker for a bit now. I know your story, so there’s no need to tell me it. Personally, I don’t even need to know about your personal life. Let’s not make it about that. This is just an objective discussion about ways to gain muscle mass and I provided Bauber just as an example of someone who didn’t really do it your way. He gained, realized he had gained too much fat, dieted a bit, gained, etc. That’s all I’m saying. He even said that, once he got up to 335, he didn’t think he looked good at all, and has opted to watch fat gains since. That isn’t exactly “bulking”.

That’s just gaining muscle, losing fat, gaining muscle, round and round. Just like everyone else. Bottom line: Everyone is going towards the same place, which is getting big and lean. People are just taking different routes. I don’t know why you can’t accept that.[/quote]

He took advantage of some very valuable years in his life to gain a lot of mass. This won’t be the same after a certain age. I am now 33 yrs old attempting to rebuild what i did at 18 to 24, which was around 50lbs of mass. Its is not the same. At 18yrs you can literally blow up with minimal fat gain even if you eat crap and don’t sleep much, provided you bring forth the intensity in the gym. Thats not going to happen after a certain age.
[/quote]

Good post.

Some of you can’t seem to understand this.

I did what I had to do to get to this size. This meant not having to DIET all the time so I can build my size.

Your body has a very limited time to get BIG. This is why I have done it and the people who DEGRADE me haven’t.
[/quote]

What was the point of this if only to prove that you are attacking the man and not his advice?

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@dt-I completely understand that. Never did I say that those looking to add muscle shouldn’t attack that goal hard in the years that muscle growth is most easily attained. I simply have been saying that not everyone needs to do things the way he has to get where he has. He has issue with that. I don’t understand why. He, and you now, have brought up his life and his achievements. I have been trying to stay away from both topics. What he has done really is just a tiny spot in the large universe that is the sport of bodybuilding. Just because the Prof thinks that one has to do things the way he did to get to where he is doesn’t make it true.

He keeps saying that others need to stop claiming things about him that aren’t true when they have no proof, and I’m just saying that he should do the same. His argument about “bulking” really is just that, an argument with no real scientific evidence to support it. It’s always been that way: it worked for him so it should work for most. Not so much.

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Do some of you realize that being on a “diet” doesn’t have to mean you are in a caloric deficit?
People change their diet to grow.

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[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Where has this happened? Where have I claimed to be superior because of “full house goals” whatever the fuck that is?

[/quote]

When has this not happened? You always spout of about others not being your size even though other people might want to be leaner than you and understand that they have to sacrifice some size to achieve that.[/quote]

Just exactly what are you achieving here? You are constantly spouting about how fat you think the prof is along with encouraging others to do so. You really are no better than the standard you are supposedly holding him accountable to.

This is a bodybuilding site, yeah there are sub forums, but the vast majority of people come here to find out how to get big, not lean, and the ones that do come here to get lean first really by and large need a reality check and need to gain some size first.

Is your ego so fragile you can’t take a little criticism without making it your lifes purpose to throw e-punches to get your own back?
[/quote]

Oh good, one of PX’s three supporters has shown up.

Just in case you missed it:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:
You are not obese or a tub of goo. You get criticized because you tout sheer size as the pinnacle of achievement. There are guys smaller and leaner than you who are more impressive.[/quote]

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[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
@dt-I completely understand that. Never did I say that those looking to add muscle shouldn’t attack that goal hard in the years that muscle growth is most easily attained. I simply have been saying that not everyone needs to do things the way he has to get where he has. He has issue with that. I don’t understand why. He, and you now, have brought up his life and his achievements. I have been trying to stay away from both topics. What he has done really is just a tiny spot in the large universe that is the sport of bodybuilding. Just because the Prof thinks that one has to do things the way he did to get to where he is doesn’t make it true.

He keeps saying that others need to stop claiming things about him that aren’t true when they have no proof, and I’m just saying that he should do the same. His argument about “bulking” really is just that, an argument with no real scientific evidence to support it. It’s always been that way: it worked for him so it should work for most. Not so much.[/quote]

Oh i was talking about Bauber in the last post. :slight_smile:

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with his argument, unless we are seeing it differently or its been distorted through so many pages of non-stop heckling.

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[quote]super saiyan wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Where has this happened? Where have I claimed to be superior because of “full house goals” whatever the fuck that is?

[/quote]

When has this not happened? You always spout of about others not being your size even though other people might want to be leaner than you and understand that they have to sacrifice some size to achieve that.[/quote]

Just exactly what are you achieving here? You are constantly spouting about how fat you think the prof is along with encouraging others to do so. You really are no better than the standard you are supposedly holding him accountable to.

This is a bodybuilding site, yeah there are sub forums, but the vast majority of people come here to find out how to get big, not lean, and the ones that do come here to get lean first really by and large need a reality check and need to gain some size first.

Is your ego so fragile you can’t take a little criticism without making it your lifes purpose to throw e-punches to get your own back?
[/quote]

Oh good, one of PX’s three supporters has shown up.

Just in case you missed it:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:
You are not obese or a tub of goo. You get criticized because you tout sheer size as the pinnacle of achievement. There are guys smaller and leaner than you who are more impressive.[/quote]
[/quote]

I sense a Unit sighting any time now.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
No one gained fat ON PURPOSE.
[/quote]

99% of morbidly obese people didn’t either. I can only think of those people you occasionally see in the media chasing a world record…or maybe sumo wrestlers.

But yea, fat people don’t get there on purpose. They’re just misguided.

Other than that…

How ya doing big guy?

What do you do for a living again?

Anymore accidents recently?

What are your training goals?

Does CT still think you’re awesome?

Do you have alot of friends you can trust who constantly reassure you that you look BIG IN A T-SHIRT!?

Would you consider yourself a smart, scientifically minded individual?

Is the way you train and eat still the most important thing on TNation?

**It’s sad that these are all rhetorical questions for anyone who’s even casually browsed the forums for just a few weeks.

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[quote]jskrabac wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
No one gained fat ON PURPOSE.
[/quote]

99% of morbidly obese people didn’t either. I can only think of those people you occasionally see in the media chasing a world record…or maybe sumo wrestlers.

But yea, fat people don’t get there on purpose. They’re just misguided.

Other than that…

How ya doing big guy?

What do you do for a living again?

Anymore accidents recently?

What are your training goals?

Does CT still think you’re awesome?

Do you have alot of friends you can trust who constantly reassure you that you look BIG IN A T-SHIRT!?

Would you consider yourself a smart, scientifically minded individual?

Is the way you train and eat still the most important thing on TNation?

**It’s sad that these are all rhetorical questions for anyone who’s even casually browsed the forums for just a few weeks. [/quote]

CT doesn’t like Profx? lol

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^I don’t think you understand what he was getting at. He was poking fun at how often Professor X seems to need to bring up how CT agrees with him, or thinks he’s big, or whatever. Or, he just asks us why we give him so much trouble when CT makes the same claims that he does (supposedly).

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:
Oh good, one of PX’s three supporters has shown up.
[/quote]
I sense a Unit sighting any time now.
[/quote]
Say something about black genetics and that’ll probably be enough.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

Can you elaborate on the leaner part? And realistically how much bigger are you trying to get?

Again, not attacking, just trying to understand your mindset so we can stop clashing. [/quote]

I don’t understand posts like this.

My goal is to get as big and as lean as I can possibly get while still being comfortable in my life as a whole.

That is my mindset.[/quote]

Posts like what? I am confused by your statement and trying to understand. You say you want to get as big as possible, I am honestly asking how much bigger do you think you can get at this point? You say you want to get leaner, but you keep telling me you dont care about getting leaning which is confusing.

I am done arguing with you, now I just want to ask you questions on your goals, diet and trainnig and you are being a bit resistant.

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[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:
Oh good, one of PX’s three supporters has shown up.
[/quote]
I sense a Unit sighting any time now.
[/quote]
Say something about black genetics and that’ll probably be enough.[/quote]

I hear that black genetics make one a much better dancer than white jewish genetics.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

Dude, I am NOT a career bodybuilder. I was in the military and had a whole life outside of the gym. No one gained fat ON PURPOSE. I just didn’t wory about dieting because at the time it made more sense to work on that size alone especially considering my other responsibilities.

[/quote]

You know, I’ve heard this excuse SO MANY times from you. It’s completely ridiculous to try and say that because you have a “life” and were “busy” meant you didn’t have time to monitor your intake. It’s not a full time job. No one is so busy they can’t run some calorie numbers. If you say you are, you’re making excuses, or just to lazy to do it.

And stop calling monitoring intake “dieting”. It’s not. And we all know what you mean when you say diet so don’t try and twist it.

This is seriously THE most played out excuse for not monitoring your intake ever. You have thrown it out there so many times it’s pathetic.

Also, if you decide to say “I did monitor my intake”, then you did it wrong.

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[quote]dt79 wrote:

[quote]ishinator wrote:

[quote]dt79 wrote:

[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
I know you were in the military. Like I’ve said, I have been a lurker for a bit now. I know your story, so there’s no need to tell me it. Personally, I don’t even need to know about your personal life. Let’s not make it about that. This is just an objective discussion about ways to gain muscle mass and I provided Bauber just as an example of someone who didn’t really do it your way. He gained, realized he had gained too much fat, dieted a bit, gained, etc. That’s all I’m saying. He even said that, once he got up to 335, he didn’t think he looked good at all, and has opted to watch fat gains since. That isn’t exactly “bulking”.

That’s just gaining muscle, losing fat, gaining muscle, round and round. Just like everyone else. Bottom line: Everyone is going towards the same place, which is getting big and lean. People are just taking different routes. I don’t know why you can’t accept that.[/quote]

He took advantage of some very valuable years in his life to gain a lot of mass. This won’t be the same after a certain age. I am now 33 yrs old attempting to rebuild what i did at 18 to 24, which was around 50lbs of mass. Its is not the same. At 18yrs you can literally blow up with minimal fat gain even if you eat crap and don’t sleep much, provided you bring forth the intensity in the gym. Thats not going to happen after a certain age.
[/quote]

Good post.

Some of you can’t seem to understand this.

I did what I had to do to get to this size. This meant not having to DIET all the time so I can build my size.

Your body has a very limited time to get BIG. This is why I have done it and the people who DEGRADE me haven’t.
[/quote]

What was the point of this if only to prove that you are attacking the man and not his advice?
[/quote]

Bingo.

Thanks for posting.

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[quote]cueball wrote:
You know, I’ve heard this excuse SO MANY times from you. It’s completely ridiculous to try and say that because you have a “life” and were “busy” meant you didn’t have time to monitor your intake.[/quote]

That isn’t what I have sai or written anywhere.

I said I used that time to work on gaining muscle. I simply didn’t worry about any extra fat gain AS MUCH because I knew I could lose any of it pretty easily.

Is this logic that hard for you to follow? You think I should have wasted that time dieting more so that I never passed up a certain percentage?

Why?

Why not use that valuable time in my life (WHICH WAS BEFORE THE AGE OF 30) to gain the most muscle possible?

Can you even understand this?

[quote]
And stop calling monitoring intake “dieting”. It’s not. And we all know what you mean when you say diet so don’t try and twist it.

This is seriously THE most played out excuse for not monitoring your intake ever. You have thrown it out there so many times it’s pathetic.

Also, if you decide to say “I did monitor my intake”, then you did it wrong. [/quote]

You can’t even seem to follow what is being written.

If I was gaining muscle, why the fuck would I waste that time in my life dieting more just so you could look and say “ooooh, you stayed leaner the whole time”?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
[
You can’t even seem to follow what is being written.
[/quote]

Neither can you, obviously, by the blabbing you just did.