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[quote]Professor X wrote:

Me having to get UNDER 190 is a joke. Sorry.

I am glad you finally changed that.

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Seriously not a joke, and I still speculate you’d be in the 190’s or low 200’s if you decide to get lean.

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yes, and this number is supposed to represent what? The dry weight of muscle? The muscle without any bones? [/quote]

I always thought of it as LBM gained through training and eating, which can be measured with a 12-site skinfold test (there’s higher inaccuracy with this method than others), DEXA, or underwater weighing.

Yeah, muscle without bones. I don’t know how to measure bone size increase.

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QUESTION: SINCE NO ONE COULD KNOW THIS NUMBER WITHOUT DYING, WHY BRING UP SOME ARBITRARY NUMBER THAN CAN NEVER BE CONFIRMED??? [/quote]

Humans have this thing called curiosity, and sometimes they discuss things simply because of that, or because they enjoy topics such as nutrition, lifting, bodybuilding, like on this forum.

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Yeah, but those numbers aren’t listed and everyone who passes that up after the year 1950 is questioned on natural status.[/quote]

Yeah. Get this: sometimes people speculate, judge, or analyze incorrectly, and those who are honest people admit they might be wrong or acknowledge the times they have been wrong!

You are a person of little tolerance for others’ beliefs, thought processes, preferences in conversation, and actions–almost to the point of being tyrannical.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

I can respect the guy selling crack.

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The true nature of X shines. I’d love to see your respect of such a person had your daughter or son (If you were to have one) or anyone else close to you got hooked on crack or if your neighborhood was destroyed by crack dealers.

Edit: I shouldn’t be surprised considering your pathologically narcissistic and infantile nature and your concern for numero uno.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

I always thought of it as LBM gained through training and eating, which can be measured with a 12-site skinfold test (there’s higher inaccuracy with this method than others), DEXA, or underwater weighing.

Yeah, muscle without bones. I don’t know how to measure bone size increase.
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Yeah…that would be WHY you don’t make up some number to represent ONLY MUSCLE.

Your bones grow with the muscle which means you are just throwing out some arbitrary number based on nothing.

We CAN test for lean body mass. We CAN NOT test for only muscle especially in a serious weight trainer whose bones will increase in density also.

If you admit that, then why even make up some “40-50lbs” number?

Hey, I fucking LOVE lifting weights…but the bottom line is you are making up numbers that newbs will believe to be fact if no one questions it.

Wrong. I am very tolerant of other people’s beliefs and even religions.

What I am not tolerant of is people making things up like this number you came up with and then telling others that it is impossible for people to pass up the made up number.

One can hold people back.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

The true nature of X shines. I’d love to see your respect of such a person had your daughter or son (If you were to have one) or anyone else close to you got hooked on crack or if your neighborhood was destroyed by crack dealers.

Edit: I shouldn’t be surprised considering your pathologically narcissistic and infantile nature and your concern for numero uno. [/quote]

I am amazed if you really missed the point of that post that drastically.

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[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Everyone shouldn’t feel welcome
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Thank you for finally answering a question. [/quote]

Oh, I see you accidentally missed the rest.

Here, let me add that for you. Must have been a mistake.

Everyone shouldn’t feel welcome to speak on the same level if they do not even train regularly…which does happen here often. We have seen it before where some don’t even train at all but love posting what they read as if they do.
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I did not miss the rest. You feel that less developed (pure size of only a few muscles right? :wink: :wink: should not be allowed to speak about bodybuilding and should not feel welcome here
Which = not everyone should feel welcome here.
It is quite simple.[/quote]

Let’s play.

If you were focused in the gym…how much time would you waste talking to the guy who isn’t even dressed to train but comes in everyday to sit on the leg extension machine and drink coffee?

Would he feel “welcome” speaking to you while you trained?

I don’t know about you, but my guess is, someone like that would not feel “welcome” around me while I was focused on the gym.

It would be different if simply walking past someone on the street.[/quote]

I have no interest in playing with you Professor.
I have never seen anyone come into the gym with a cup of coffe and drink it while leg pressing the entire time.
In general I do not talk with anyone at the gym.
I am not there to socialize and my time is precious. I get in, lift and get on with my real life.
I have been approached in the gym by serious lifters bigger than you or I, the old guy who drys his balls with the hair dryer and many a young scrawny noob who does curls in front of the mirror and cable cross overs only.
I treat them all the same and show the same respect.
I am kind, courteous and answer any questions or help in any way I can.
We are all in the gym to better ourselves and whether their goal is to step onstage at the O, get a biceps pump to impress the girls at school or burn out their quads while enjoying a cup of joe.
I am just glad that more people are getting up off the sofa and throwing some weight around.
Everyone is welcome in my book.
But again, that I just the opinion is someone who probably doesn’t belong in your opinion.[/quote]

You have the patience of a saint.

What about people who give unsolicited advice whilst your doing heavy high rep squats? I agree you should try and be respectful as possible in a social sense, but what about if it interferes with your focus? I don’t mind helping anyone out and happily share my experiences and opinions on lifting if asked in the right circumstances but when I lift I just want to focus. Having people around you with a similar mindset is much more beneficial.
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Lol I try :slight_smile:
The unsolicited advice thing is another issue entirely I think.
If I am a huge guy and a skinny 17year old kid comes to tell me what to do then I probably thank them for their advice and discard it immediately if it wasn’t legit.
If I was rounding my back during deadlifts or butt winking (lol) during squats and he kindly gave me a heads up about it then I would by thankful.
Good advice is good advice, regardless of the source.

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Dammit Brick, stop limiting people with observation and speculation!

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]bpick86 wrote:

That 35lbs was at the same bf%. Now compared to someone of your similar build (ie matching wrist and ankle circumferences), age, and height who does not train and, the difference in their LBM and your LBM could be the most accurate guess one could make on how much you have actually “built”.[/quote]

Uh, why not just look at the lean body mass?

Why take away from that lean body mass?

It doesn’t matter if you are at the same body fat percentage. If you gain 50lbs of body weight, that same percentage isn’t the same amount of body fat.[/quote]

Yes I did put on some fat because I filled out the same as I put on some muscle. I also put on a great deal of skeletal mass. I was 5’11" 145 at one point in my life but I do not use that 145 as a starting point for how much I have gained as it would lying to myself. I use 170 because that is my best guess of my weight in a untrained state at a similar bf % to what I have now.

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[quote]bpick86 wrote:
Yes I did put on some fat because I filled out the same as I put on some muscle. I also put on a great deal of skeletal mass. I was 5’11" 145 at one point in my life but I do not use that 145 as a starting point for how much I have gained as it would lying to myself. I use 170 because that is my best guess of my weight in a untrained state at a similar bf % to what I have now. [/quote]

But, for me that 150lbs was a healthy weight that I was at even after trying to gain some weight.

I was 80lbs as a high school freshman.

Why discount what I did because of what you did when we do not share the same physiology, starting point or gains made?

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[quote]super saiyan wrote:
Dammit Brick, stop limiting people with observation and speculation!
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I dunno what to tell ya bro. I’ve admitted over and over, I’m just a hater.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]bpick86 wrote:
Yes I did put on some fat because I filled out the same as I put on some muscle. I also put on a great deal of skeletal mass. I was 5’11" 145 at one point in my life but I do not use that 145 as a starting point for how much I have gained as it would lying to myself. I use 170 because that is my best guess of my weight in a untrained state at a similar bf % to what I have now. [/quote]

But, for me that 150lbs was a healthy weight that I was at even after trying to gain some weight.

I was 80lbs as a high school freshman.

Why discount what I did because of what you did when we do not share the same physiology, starting point or gains made?[/quote]

I am not trying to discount anything that you have done. This is not a discussion about me and you, we have just used ourselves as examples. I will maintain however that the frame of someone who weighed 150 at 5’10" did not support the amount of mass you gained without experiencing some serious gains in body structure that had nothing to do with your training.

To give credit, although I beleive your frame did grow, you did a very good job of packing some good mass onto that new frame as it filled out. Again, I am not trying to discredit you in any way. You used yourself as an example so that was the example that I discussed.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

I always thought of it as LBM gained through training and eating, which can be measured with a 12-site skinfold test (there’s higher inaccuracy with this method than others), DEXA, or underwater weighing.

Yeah, muscle without bones. I don’t know how to measure bone size increase.
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Yeah…that would be WHY you don’t make up some number to represent ONLY MUSCLE.

Your bones grow with the muscle which means you are just trhowing out some arbitrary number based on nothing.

We CAN test for lean body mass. We CAN NOT test for only muscle especially in a seriouss weight trainer whose bones will; increase in density also.

If you admit that, then why even make up some “40-50lbs” number?

Hey, I fucking LOVE lifting weights…but the bottom line is you are making up numbers that newbs will believe to be fact if no one questions it.

Wrong. I am very tolerant of other people’s beliefs and even religions.

What I am not tolerant of is people making things up like this number you came up with and then telling others that it is impossible for people to ass up the made up number.

One can hold people back.
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I don’t think there’s anything wrong with being intolerant to people’s beliefs or religions. As long as you are polite. Some beliefs cause social harm, religion being one of the biggest causes of death and conflict ever known. The most dangerous belief systems are those devoid of all logic. I think everyone has a duty to question their own, and other people’s beliefs. Don’t get me wrong, I respect people’s right to believe whatever they want. The minute it affects me and the personal safety of those I care about then I lose all tolerance.

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X, I have agreed and disagreed with you in different threads but in the spirit of the thread how about we “agree to disagree”?

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[quote]bpick86 wrote:
I will maintain however that the frame of someone who weighed 150 at 5’10" did not support the amount of mass you gained without experiencing some serious gains in body structure that had nothing to do with your training.[/quote]

Then you would “maintain” wrong because the changes in my structure were BECAUSE of the weight lifting.

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To give credit, although I beleive your frame did grow, you did a very good job of packing some good mass onto that new frame as it filled out. Again, I am not trying to discredit you in any way. You used yourself as an example so that was the example that I discussed. [/quote]

hey, I used myself because I can measure my lean body mass after having my body fat tested. That shows I cam close to that number…and since I do NOT have the best genetics for bodybuilding, it means others can do even better and gain more.

That is all that was stated.

One thing I can say is it is very easy to get to the core of the discussion when the discussion is actually allowed to take place.

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[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with being intolerant to people’s beliefs or religions. As long as you are polite. Some beliefs cause social harm, religion being one of the biggest causes of death and conflict ever known. The most dangerous belief systems are those devoid of all logic. I think everyone has a duty to question their own, and other people’s beliefs. Don’t get me wrong, I respect people’s right to believe whatever they want. The minute it affects me and the personal safety of those I care about then I lose all tolerance.[/quote]

I can agree with that.

It goes back to there being some kind of “elitism” in everyone. It seems to be used as a label for attack here because of the content.

On a site that literally makes threads to laugh at fat people, it is strange for the argument about being elitist to pop up the way it did.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
One thing I can say is it is very easy to get to the core of the discussion when the discussion is actually allowed to take place.[/quote]

I can agree with this. Its not so hard to have an argument with you X and I think we remained relatively civil. Both are cards are on the table and I don’t think this is something we are going to change one anothers minds on.

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this thread took a predictable turn

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
This thread is hilarious.
Equating the mentality that people who aren’t huge should not be welcome here with someone not wanting to marry a morbidly obese person? Really?
They should take “Intelligent” out of the description of this forum. [/quote]

No one cares who you want to marry.

Poor work at trying to change what was being discussed.

he said he wouldn’t even choose to speak to someone who was morbidly obese.

And no one said someone shouldn’t feel welcome here. That would be oversimplifying what was actually stated. It might help if you quoted what was actually written because your memory seems to add things.[/quote]

Do you not remember asking him specifically if he’d marry an obese woman like two pages ago?

Edit: NVM it’s like 10 pages ago as the typical shitstorm has hit

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

The true nature of X shines. I’d love to see your respect of such a person had your daughter or son (If you were to have one) or anyone else close to you got hooked on crack or if your neighborhood was destroyed by crack dealers.

Edit: I shouldn’t be surprised considering your pathologically narcissistic and infantile nature and your concern for numero uno. [/quote]

I am amazed if you really missed the point of that post that drastically.[/quote]

I apologize then, seriously.

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[quote]bpick86 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]bpick86 wrote:

You would have gained a great deal of LBM from a 150lb 18 year old whether you trained or not if you now have the frame to support 270lbs at 20%.[/quote]

That frame grows as you do.

After I quite growing in height, I gained 35 lbs and never touched a weight. Every suit jacket I owned quite fitting. My frame got bigger just as yours must have. Typically growth in height is done before the age of 20. The skeleton continues to add breadth to the bone as well as other adaptations that happen that increase your LBM without you doing anything until the age of 25. Since the overwhelming majority of guys start training before reaching full maturity you have to use the next best thing as a reference point which is “the average untrained person of similar build”.[/quote]

Actually your skeleton should grow until you are in your low 30s especially if you lift weights and have no other Heath problems.