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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

Highly doubtable you surpassed those stats considering your lower body (NOT an insult, just an assessment.[/quote]

Yeah, good thing we have LEAN BODY MASS to take away your confususion.

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Again, as I said before, you’d probably have to get down to low 200’s to get lean (and I don’t mean contest lean). [/quote]

Dude, I’m 5’10". How is that an insult?

You said before I would have to drop below 190lbs which is a joke. I see you brought that up to “low 200’s” now.

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Right, it is racially disproportionate, but it’s highly doubtable that one race is going to surpass those numbers by so much (personal belief). [/quote]

What is “so much”? I simply said people can pass it. First you say it is impossible…now it is about how much?

If they can do it and you now admit they can, then problem solved.

Yes, looking at mostly winners of only one ethnic group only tells us what that one ethnic group can do.

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[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
Why does every thread need to be brought back to that beat to death 80-100 pound myse gain topic? [/quote]

It won’t stop until everybody agrees that X has built more than what people say is a normal range. That’s all it is. Acknowledgement.

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[quote]bpick86 wrote:

You are confusing building LBM with just growing and increasing LBM. The average person of similar frame was put in there as a point of reference from where the amount of LBM he BUILT would be starting. The average untrained person didn’t build any LBM. So Reg Park built 40 lbs more than the average. The average untrained person has a fair amount of LBM himself but none of it was built. I am discussing what someone can build, not how much they can mature.[/quote]

Yes, and you are basically making broad assumptions based on limited info.

It doesn’t matter what the “average” person’s LBM is. You would have to have their body fat tested to determine that. All we can use are population studies which usually focus on BMI and weight, not body fat.

Therefore, you wouldn’t even know the average lean body mass for a group of people unless they were all caliper tested or under water weighed.

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I thought this thread was about camaraderie.

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[quote]super saiyan wrote:
I thought this thread was about camaraderie.
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It seems like we are reaching an agreement right here…so what is the issue?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]bpick86 wrote:

You would have gained a great deal of LBM from a 150lb 18 year old whether you trained or not if you now have the frame to support 270lbs at 20%.[/quote]

That frame grows as you do.

After I quite growing in height, I gained 35 lbs and never touched a weight. Every suit jacket I owned quite fitting. My frame got bigger just as yours must have. Typically growth in height is done before the age of 20. The skeleton continues to add breadth to the bone as well as other adaptations that happen that increase your LBM without you doing anything until the age of 25. Since the overwhelming majority of guys start training before reaching full maturity you have to use the next best thing as a reference point which is “the average untrained person of similar build”.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

Highly doubtable you surpassed those stats considering your lower body (NOT an insult, just an assessment.[/quote]

Yeah, good thing we have LEAN BODY MASS to take away your confususion.

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Again, as I said before, you’d probably have to get down to low 200’s to get lean (and I don’t mean contest lean). [/quote]

Dude, I’m 5’10". How is that an insult?

You said before I would have to drop below 190lbs which is a joke. I see you brought that up to “low 200’s” now.

  1. Yup, I admit it’s hard to tell whether you would have to come down to 190’s or low 200’s to look lean considering the amount of fat you’re carrying now. I admit this. The only way to see would for you to finally diet down, which you have no interest in doing, and that’s fine. You just likely didn’t surpass the stats we speak of. I don’t know how thinking you’d have to get down that low is a joke–it’s likely true considering what you look like and weigh.
  2. I said it is highly UNLIKELY someone is going to gain more than 40 to 50 pounds of muscle and there are some outliers. I also said it’s FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE to gain 80 pounds of muscle naturally.
  3. Yeah, it shows what the white race can do in bodybuilding and a sample size in a study of 300 white guys and SIX DECADES of observing white AND ASIAN… and BLACK guys outside the study tells us something too!
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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:
I thought this thread was about camaraderie.
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It seems like we are reaching an agreement right here…so what is the issue?[/quote]

This is what agreement looks like?

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[quote]bpick86 wrote:

After I quite growing in height, I gained 35 lbs and never touched a weight. [/quote]

is that like the freshman 15…because if so, I knew a girl who gained a whole other person and she damn sure didn’t lift…anything but forks.

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Every suit jacket I owned quite fitting. My frame got bigger just as yours must have. Typically growth in height is done before the age of 20. The skeleton continues to add breadth to the bone as well as other adaptations that happen that increase your LBM without you doing anything until the age of 25. Since the overwhelming majority of guys start training before reaching full maturity you have to use the next best thing as a reference point which is “the average untrained person of similar build”.[/quote]

But…I did NOT start before I finished growing. I started after. You are basically saying gains don’t matter for some people and that they do for others.

you take away from the gains I made and blame it on “filling out”…which means you would never be able to judge this on anyone without knowing when that specific person stopped growing…which makes this all useless data.

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I like how this thread quickly became the Bodyweight Factor Part 3/Limits x3/ Mental Perception vs Ability blah blah.

Just move on X and stop incessantly rehashing your same tired old arguments.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

  1. Yup, I admit it’s hard to tell whether you would have to come down to 190’s or low 200’s to look lean considering the amount of fat you’re carrying now. I admit this. The only way to see would for you to finally diet down, which you have no interest in doing, and that’s fine. You just likely didn’t surpass the stats we speak of. I don’t know how thinking you’d have to get down that low is a joke–it’s likely true considering what you look like and weigh. [/quote]

Me having to get UNDER 190 is a joke. Sorry.

I am glad you finally changed that.

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  1. I said it is highly UNLIKELY someone is going to gain more than 40 to 50 pounds of muscle and there are some outliers. I also said it’s FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE to gain 80 pounds of muscle naturally. [/quote]

yes, and this number is supposed to represent what? The dry weight of muscle? The muscle without any bones?

QUESTION: SINCE NO ONE COULD KNOW THIS NUMBER WITHOUT DYING, WHY BRING UP SOME ARBITRARY NUMBER THAN CAN NEVER BE CONFIRMED???

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3) Yeah, it shows what the white race can do in bodybuilding and a sample size in a study of 300 white guys and SIX DECADES of observing white AND ASIAN… and BLACK guys outside the study tells us something too![/quote]

Yeah, but those numbers aren’t listed and everyone who passes that up after the year 1950 is questioned on natural status.

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[quote]ishinator wrote:
I like how this thread quickly became the Bodyweight Factor Part 3/Limits x3/ Mental Perception vs Ability blah blah.

Just move on X and stop incessantly rehashing your same tired old arguments.[/quote]

Not until everyone agrees with him about how much muscle he’s carrying.

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[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Everyone shouldn’t feel welcome
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Thank you for finally answering a question. [/quote]

Oh, I see you accidentally missed the rest.

Here, let me add that for you. Must have been a mistake.

Everyone shouldn’t feel welcome to speak on the same level if they do not even train regularly…which does happen here often. We have seen it before where some don’t even train at all but love posting what they read as if they do.
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I did not miss the rest. You feel that less developed (pure size of only a few muscles right? :wink: :wink: should not be allowed to speak about bodybuilding and should not feel welcome here
Which = not everyone should feel welcome here.
It is quite simple.[/quote]

Let’s play.

If you were focused in the gym…how much time would you waste talking to the guy who isn’t even dressed to train but comes in everyday to sit on the leg extension machine and drink coffee?

Would he feel “welcome” speaking to you while you trained?

I don’t know about you, but my guess is, someone like that would not feel “welcome” around me while I was focused on the gym.

It would be different if simply walking past someone on the street.[/quote]

I have no interest in playing with you Professor.
I have never seen anyone come into the gym with a cup of coffe and drink it while leg pressing the entire time.
In general I do not talk with anyone at the gym.
I am not there to socialize and my time is precious. I get in, lift and get on with my real life.
I have been approached in the gym by serious lifters bigger than you or I, the old guy who drys his balls with the hair dryer and many a young scrawny noob who does curls in front of the mirror and cable cross overs only.
I treat them all the same and show the same respect.
I am kind, courteous and answer any questions or help in any way I can.
We are all in the gym to better ourselves and whether their goal is to step onstage at the O, get a biceps pump to impress the girls at school or burn out their quads while enjoying a cup of joe.
I am just glad that more people are getting up off the sofa and throwing some weight around.
Everyone is welcome in my book.
But again, that I just the opinion is someone who probably doesn’t belong in your opinion.[/quote]

You have the patience of a saint.

What about people who give unsolicited advice whilst your doing heavy high rep squats? I agree you should try and be respectful as possible in a social sense, but what about if it interferes with your focus? I don’t mind helping anyone out and happily share my experiences and opinions on lifting if asked in the right circumstances but when I lift I just want to focus. Having people around you with a similar mindset is much more beneficial.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I am also still waiting to hear from Brick what that “40-50lbs” number stands for and how he would be able to measure beyond lean body mass to get it.[/quote]

You do know how to measure anthropometrics, right? [/quote]

Yes, and I keep asking you this but you keep avoiding the question.

How are you able to tell how much ONLY MUSCLE someone gains if those anthropometrics tell you lean body mass and fat mass?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]bpick86 wrote:

After I quite growing in height, I gained 35 lbs and never touched a weight. [/quote]

is that like the freshman 15…because if so, I knew a girl who gained a whole other person and she damn sure didn’t lift…anything but forks.

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Every suit jacket I owned quite fitting. My frame got bigger just as yours must have. Typically growth in height is done before the age of 20. The skeleton continues to add breadth to the bone as well as other adaptations that happen that increase your LBM without you doing anything until the age of 25. Since the overwhelming majority of guys start training before reaching full maturity you have to use the next best thing as a reference point which is “the average untrained person of similar build”.[/quote]

But…I did NOT start before I finished growing. I started after. You are basically saying gains don’t matter for some people and that they do for others.

you take away from the gains I made and blame it on “filling out”…which means you would never be able to judge this on anyone without knowing when that specific person stopped growing…which makes this all useless data.[/quote]

That 35lbs was at the same bf%. Now compared to someone of your similar build (ie matching wrist and ankle circumferences), age, and height who does not train and, the difference in their LBM and your LBM could be the most accurate guess one could make on how much you have actually “built”.

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[quote]ishinator wrote:
I like how this thread quickly became the Bodyweight Factor Part 3/Limits x3/ Mental Perception vs Ability blah blah.

Just move on X and stop incessantly rehashing your same tired old arguments.[/quote]

Keep wishing. It ain’t gonna happen.

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[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

You have the patience of a saint.

What about people who give unsolicited advice whilst your doing heavy high rep squats? I agree you should try and be respectful as possible in a social sense, but what about if it interferes with your focus? I don’t mind helping anyone out and happily share my experiences and opinions on lifting if asked in the right circumstances but when I lift I just want to focus. Having people around you with a similar mindset is much more beneficial.
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It is like that in every facet of life.

Yes, I can respect the guy selling crack. That may not be the best lifestyle to “respect” if your career goal is DA.

Does this mean corporate lawyers are being “elitist” to crack dealers?

I mean, they are people too!

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[quote]bpick86 wrote:

That 35lbs was at the same bf%. Now compared to someone of your similar build (ie matching wrist and ankle circumferences), age, and height who does not train and, the difference in their LBM and your LBM could be the most accurate guess one could make on how much you have actually “built”.[/quote]

Uh, why not just look at the lean body mass?

Why take away from that lean body mass?

It doesn’t matter if you are at the same body fat percentage. If you gain 50lbs of body weight, that same percentage isn’t the same amount of body fat.

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[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
Why does every thread need to be brought back to that beat to death 80-100 pound myse gain topic? This has got to be the 6 or 7th thread who’s discussion was switched all around to go backs I that same topic that some here seem to love to discuss?
Do you guys not see what is happening here?
This forum was started to basically foster this S Storm threads and keep them out of the bodybuilding section.

As soon as the 80-100 pounds thread maxed out the LIMITS thread was started just to continue the S Storm.
As soon as the LIMITS thread was maxed out the LIMITS 2 thread was started to continue the S Storm.
Then they was the PX: an Offer thread which turned into a S Storm.
As soon as the PX: an Offer thread was locked by the mods the Comraderie thread was started to continue the S Storm from all those other threads.

Does anyone else not see this? These new S Storm threads were created THE VERY SAME DAY that the other thread was locked or maxed out with the sole purpose of continuing this same tired debate.
Please just let it die.[/quote]

I have to say it is kinda entertaining. It’s like a pillow fight where people are actually trying to hurt each other with the pillows.

I don’t think it will ever die because too many people like to duck and cover instead of trying to back up their points.

(You know who you are brick lol)

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I still haven’t figured out how someone knows how much ONLY MUSCLE someone gains when we can only test lean body mass.