Measuring Success

In bodybuilding, physiques can be classified as visually stunning. Generally, to meet this level of praise, aside from Complete and Utter MASS, there are also two other requirements that need to be met:being symmetrical and proportional - a state where there is an obvious balance between both sides of the body, having a practical Mirror image reflection of Right/Left, and where nothing looks out of place, a condition where everything seems to flow and taper into a harmonious whole.

It most cases, atleast at a pro level, It seems that today’s standards have required competitors to mainly aim for 2 aspects of this sport- Mass and conditioning. It’s my belief that many, especially at the early stages, lose sight of the actual importance, quite literally the foundation, of a perfect physique. If you have an AMAZING upper body, Biceps popping at the seems, a back that seemingly stretches an impossible figure, and a chest composed of figurative Barrels, But walk on stage with Thighs no larger than your average competitor’s Forearm, you WILL NEVER taste gold.

So, what is ideal proportions?

Some would argue that this depends on your wrist size, as suggests things like “The Grecian Ideal,” which is an ancient Greek ideal of how the male physique should look. According to this theory, to calculate a perfectly proportional body, we begin with a wrist size. Now, using myself as a test subject, we can show how this template works:
My Measurements-
Chest- 52 inches
Waist- 36-38 inches
Biceps- 20 inches
Forearm- 16 inches
Thigh- 29 inches
Calves- 19 inches
Neck- 19 inches

The Grecian Ideal calculator asks for my wrist size, which is 8 inches, and calculates my ideal physique with it:
Chest- 52 inches- check
Waist- 36 inches- Check
Bicep- 19 inches- Check+
Forearm- 15 inches- Check+
Thigh- 28 inches- Check+
Calves-18 inches- Negative
Neck- 19 inches- Check

I meet some, surpass others, and fall slightly short of others. In the eyes of the Grecian Ideal calculator, i am not quite proportional. Though i do not agree with the measurements provided as Ideal, i will agree with the fact that i am not Proportional enough.

There is also a Muscle to Bone ratio form of calculation, one that was apparently endorsed by Steve Reeves. Lets see how this differs from the first. Now, still using my measurements, as they are the only ones i have access to lol:

My Measurement\ What it should be according to the calculator

Wrist 8Inch \ 20inch arms- Check
Ankle 11inch \ 21inch calves- negative
Head 24inch \ 19inch neck- Check
Knee 17inch \ 30inch Thigh- Negative.

According to this form, i meet only half of the requirements.

These two different forms of proportional measurement slightly differ from each other. In my eyes neither are a fantastic template for measuring your own build. Why? Well, both fail to call into question shoulder width, or Leg to waist ratio. However, i will say that either of this does pose as a decent beginners stepping stone. Look at what your measurements “Should” be, and give yourself something to aim for. As a bodybuilder, your goal isn’t Numbers as in weight, but rather it’s Numbers as in inches: Size of this, proportion of this to that, etc.

I recommend picking up a mini tape measure, and starting to keep track. Dont believe your eyes when it comes to seeing results. I know this is especially difficult for myself in that i personally am never happy, and i visually create things, or exaggerate areas negatively. It creates a negative Black Hole that will only serve to drag you down deeper into a hole of Self loathing. So Snag a Tape measure, and start keeping track. Measure bodyparts every month or so. Ensure that you are continually growing, and if not, take a step back and look at your total program, Something can always be fixed. It truly helps to be able to compare measurements over months and see your progress. You must know where you’ve been to see where you’re going.

Lol we dont got too many fans of measurements out there? This is going to be one of my quick dying threads eh =(

You know what? Fuck it, I’ll go. I’m in the midst of cutting and I will post all of my measurements on here.
Age 29
Height 5’7"
Weight 260
Lean Weight 189 (omron checked 5x)

Neck 18.5
Shoulders 49.5
Chest 46
Arms 19
Forearms 14.75/14.25
Stomach 45
Waist 41
Hips/Butt 44.75
Thighs 28.5/28.5
Calves 17.5/17.5

This is taken straight out the excel sheet I use to monitor my cutting phase. My biggest concern is bringing my waist down to 28" within 6-8 months like when I first gained my size. I also want to bring my calves up to a full 18", get my forearms up to 15" even on both and even give up and inch or two on the legs when cutting which would leave me at around 27". All my numbers are unpumped. Reason being is that I don’t walk around pumped all day everyday of the week so why inflate my numbers or deflate them regarding my stomach and waist to look better.

I’m not sure if this thread is going to be dying quick seeing how well the intro was written and the context of the post. I’ll contribute to everything that is brought up the post that is appropriate.

Let’s see how many people jump to post real life stats on here.

That was another interesting read Akuma.
I’m going to have to find those calculators and give it a go.
I personally have always found myself very dis-proportionate, but I am a pessimist.
Cannot post numbers now-no tape measure.

Thanks Akuma!

_Mel

I’ll go! I was due for some measurements anyway. I am 5’9"(and some change) and I weigh 170ish…probably more like 173…Last Jan I was at 235+ I WILL be at my goal weight by years end of 160.

Chest- 39
Waist- 28.5 inches
butt- 38.5 inches
Biceps- 12 inches
Forearm- 10 inches
Thigh- 23 inches
Calves- 14 inches
Neck- 12 inches

Calculator
Chest 39 inches
Waist 27 inches
Hip 33 inches
Bicep 14 inches
Forearm 11 inches
Thigh 21 inches
Calve 13 inches
Neck 14 inches

Not that far off…I already know I need to work on the hip to waist ratio…I have some extra junk I am trying to get rid off! :wink: Are these calculators mainly for guys though? A 14 inch neck is pretty thick for a girl!

Akuma, how tall are you, btw??

5’9, 260lbs, stats are unpumped.

wow, your a big dude.

If we were standing side by side you’d make me look tiny.

Eh, not big enough. =p

[edit] lol but this thread isnt about me. WTB Information.

I know it’s not about you…just comparing notes.

your not big enough, I’m not lean enough. We all have our own goals, but the main one we all share, is wanting more muscle!

Amen.

I’ll play.

Height: 6’2
Weight: 215 (lost weight due to laziness, working on it.)
Age: 23
BF: Pretty high, never measured, and I don’t have shoe for verification

Measurements for Reeves Calc:

Wrist: 6.75
Ankle: 8.75
Head: 24
Pelvis: 36
Knee: 16

My Results for Where I “Should” Be:

Arms: 17 (mine are 15.5)
Calves: 17 (check, hooray running career)
Neck: 19 (At 18, I guess hooray deadlifts?)
Chest: 53 (I’m at 44, WAY OFF)
Waist: 31 (I’m at 34)
Thigh: 28 (I’m at 27)

I did the Reeves calc because the Grecian ideal stats seem too small for my height. Especially knowing how big Waylander is at the same height, I’d say I have a fair ways to go. Especially in my chest development and just general width.

Interesting thoughts Akuma, this certainly gives me some intermediate goals for sure.

Im not writing mine down lol but lets just say on the Reeves one I need like 2 everywhere basically and a bit more than 5 on my chest measurement but its good to know what needs the improvements the most… wasnt the muscle I thought itd be thats for sure. And the waist part I dont get because it says my ideal should be 31 but mins 31.5 now and whenever i get really lean my waist is just a bit over 29 so

This thread would make much more sense with pics accompanying the numbers.

Greek ideal-- feh.

How about a more modern “Superhero Ideal”?

[quote]SteelyD wrote:
This thread would make much more sense with pics accompanying the numbers.

Greek ideal-- feh.

How about a more modern “Superhero Ideal”?[/quote]

Superhero Ideal FTW SteelyD! That’s why I’m a big fan of Kai, he just looks superhuman. Takes me back to the days of action figures and comic books, probably the reason I love lifting.

Also I’m going to go to the store today and buy a damn tape measure and then I’ll throw my numbers on here.

[quote]SteelyD wrote:
This thread would make much more sense with pics accompanying the numbers.

Greek ideal-- feh.

How about a more modern “Superhero Ideal”?[/quote]

I’m personally going for “Silverback Gorilla Ideal”. Full house mode at damn near 300lbs means people think you are the bouncer, the football player and the exit out of the building.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]SteelyD wrote:
This thread would make much more sense with pics accompanying the numbers.

Greek ideal-- feh.

How about a more modern “Superhero Ideal”?[/quote]

I’m personally going for “Silverback Gorilla Ideal”. Full house mode at damn near 300lbs means people think you are the bouncer, the football player and the exit out of the building.[/quote]

You’re going to have to stop shaving.

Someone else get half naked first :wink:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]SteelyD wrote:
This thread would make much more sense with pics accompanying the numbers.

Greek ideal-- feh.

How about a more modern “Superhero Ideal”?[/quote]

I’m personally going for “Silverback Gorilla Ideal”. Full house mode at damn near 300lbs means people think you are the bouncer, the football player and the exit out of the building.[/quote]

The coach at my college saw me a few weeks ago and said “you fucking idiot get dressed and back on the field”…yea.

Although I do not agree with these measurements being ideal, would they not take into account BF%? Someone like Akuma may have surpassed some but, he is not exactly lean.

[quote]EvanX wrote:
Although I do not agree with these measurements being ideal, would they not take into account BF%? Someone like Akuma may have surpassed some but, he is not exactly lean.[/quote]

I never said the measurements were ideal. As a matter of fact, i said they werent. But it gives a good BEGINNERS step towards the right direction, seeing where you’re going. When i ask someone their immediate goal, and they simply say “Get bigger,” i question them. That is some vague nonsense. Thats like asking for directions, and simply getting a Finger pointed in the direction of the place you want to go.

Secondly, to say that im “not exactly lean” is some ridiculously ignorant nonsense. No, im not single digit bf, but something like that can change in a matter of a month or two. 260lbs with an 18% bf = Still over 200lbs on stage, and thats if my cut diet is PERFECT. I hardly think that is something to scoff at.