ME Bench Lifts

[quote]Phill wrote:
I do however feel lifter C if you will the one that uses varied ME lifts that also target his weak points most of the time and hits the acc. work like one should is going to progress even better than lifter A or B.
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Your ‘C’ is pretty close to my ‘B’. I’m just saying you don’t need to make a special effort to make sure that all of your ME moves are related to your weak end (be it top or bottom). In fact, it stands to reason that you’ll get about 50/50 on top/bottom if you mix them up randomly, doesn’t it?

I guess my point is that you don’t need to make targeted max effort moves a priority if you are working them in ‘naturally’ and hitting the appropriate supplementary moves.

[quote]Ike wrote:

Sorry bro got to call BS on this.

Your saying if your weak on the bottm doing any ME is going to do you just as good as any other. BS!!! doing say a four board press ME aint going to do shit for your bottom end. Where as doing paused reps, using a cambered bar, low pin presses etc will raise the strength in the bottom end.

Then sure the acc. work you target it more your WEAK spots that is.

Phill

I’m saying this: Max Effort work is a switch. If you do it, you turn on the switch to strength gain. If you aren’t lifting heavy shit in some kind of movement, forget about it.

Now, assuming the switch is ‘on’, targeting the weak area (or muscles in question) with appropriate supplementary moves will bring up your strength in that range better than anything else.

Two scenarious:

Scenario A:
The lifter is weak in the low range, so he focuses on doing lots of low range Max Effort moves (low boards, concentric only, cambered bar, etc.)… BUT, he doesn’t do anything focuses on this low end in his supplementary moves.

Scenario B:
The lifter is weak in the low range. He does a variety of Max Effor moves, not really focusing on staying on the low end exclusively. (but he has some low end moves in his progression) For his supplementary moves, he hammers exercises like horizontal rows (for his lats, to hold the bottom position), high rep DB presses and cambered bar board presses.

Comparing these two situations, I’m saying the lifter in ‘B’ will bring up his low end faster than ‘A’. Both of them have their “heavy ass training” switch on, but B is hitting more appropriate supplementary moves to bring up his specific weakpoints.

Do you disagree with that?[/quote]

I’m not really in this beef, but the correct answer to both scenarios is to get a better-fitting bench shirt. Off the chest pressing power (a strong point for me- so I speak from experience) is like having a really expensive set of luggage- rare and beautiful, but never impressive and seldom useful.

Touche!

When in doubt, jack up your gear. :slight_smile:

sorry to shift focus away from the debate, but do you train different for a raw bench meet than you would for one where you wear a shirt. i only ask because i dont use a shirt and was wondering if i had to tweak my training protocols.

[quote]windmill85 wrote:
sorry to shift focus away from the debate, but do you train different for a raw bench meet than you would for one where you wear a shirt. i only ask because i dont use a shirt and was wondering if i had to tweak my training protocols. [/quote]

In a sense yes you will need more bottom end for sure.

Go read “Bench Like a Stripper” by Jim Wendler on elitefts.