[quote]Professor X wrote:
DON D1ESEL wrote:
and the absurdly swoll Lashley.
That’s “absurdly swoll”?[/quote]
He’s right.
I have been clowned.
[quote]DON D1ESEL wrote:
Professor X wrote:
DON D1ESEL wrote:
and the absurdly swoll Lashley.
That’s “absurdly swoll”?
He’s right.
I have been clowned.
[/quote]
That wasn’t meant as a put down. It is just that I get tired of people acting like anyone with any size on them is a criminal. I would hope to at least look somewhere in the ballpark of that dieted down. The guy is big, but he isn’t THAT big. In fact, one web site listed him at 250lbs instead of the 270+ that is being claimed on the WWF site…and he is tall as shit. Heavy lifting, a ton of food and decent genetics make you look pretty damn big. I am more than sure that guy has a nutritionist just like many bodybuilders do.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Konstantine wrote:
It would actually be good since this will not only make the wrestlers live longer, but make them better role models as some of the youth look up to them.
Wrestlers should be role models? I grew up watching Hulk Hogan and many others. Some even had their own cartoon show for a while. I never gave a shit about any “medication” they might be using and the only reason it is even discussed now is because it is a hot topic. Live longer? Because they were all dropping like flies before?[/quote]
One to five a year die, usually not over 50. Kind of worse than actives/alumni of other sports. Part of this year’s edition, Eddie Guerrero, was stil in the prime of his career at 38. In fact, the day he died he was booked to win the title later that night. He was brilliant and it’s a shame.
Note to Zap Branigan and anyone else who’s interested. Current WWE Champion (RAW brand, where you’ll be) is Edge, who is cleeeeeearly not roided at 6-5, 250. Speaking of wrestlers as role models, he cemented his position as my favorite by stealing another wrestler’s gf while married–in real life. I wish he’d bring up his physique though.
[quote]OARSMAN wrote:
He sort of reminds me of Brock Lesnar.
When Brock Lesnar wrestled for U.Minnesota he weighed 255 tops… then he disappears into Ohio Valley Wrestling and a year later he emerges as this 300 lb. monster.
I assume something along those lines happened with this kid. Vince takes a raw kid with decent size and a ton of athletism, pumps him full of drugs to turn him into a freak and viola, you have yourself a “masterpiece” or an “animal” like Batista.
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My only beef is the “ton of athleticism” part. Masters seems to be one of those guys who got hired solely because he was huge and ripped - of course, that’s only based on watching him in the WWE, so if he was a stud athlete before, my bad.
The WWE lists a lot of those guys as bigger than they are, both height and weight. Not to say they aren’t huge, but they’re not quite as big as listed.
I remember when Rodman was working with the NWO back in the WCW days, and he was a good several inches taller than Hulk Hogan – noticably taller – even though Hulk used to be listed at 6’8" – he was only a couple inches shorter than Kevin Nash, even though if I recall correctly, at the time they were claiming Nash was over 7’.
[quote]DON D1ESEL wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Konstantine wrote:
It would actually be good since this will not only make the wrestlers live longer, but make them better role models as some of the youth look up to them.
Wrestlers should be role models? I grew up watching Hulk Hogan and many others. Some even had their own cartoon show for a while. I never gave a shit about any “medication” they might be using and the only reason it is even discussed now is because it is a hot topic. Live longer? Because they were all dropping like flies before?
One to five a year die, usually not over 50. Kind of worse than actives/alumni of other sports. Part of this year’s edition, Eddie Guerrero, was stil in the prime of his career at 38. In fact, the day he died he was booked to win the title later that night. He was brilliant and it’s a shame.
Note to Zap Branigan and anyone else who’s interested. Current WWE Champion (RAW brand, where you’ll be) is Edge, who is cleeeeeearly not roided at 6-5, 250. Speaking of wrestlers as role models, he cemented his position as my favorite by stealing another wrestler’s gf while married–in real life. I wish he’d bring up his physique though.[/quote]
1-5 a year dead is startling, but I sure would like to know the cause of death for all of them. You can only get “fake hit” in the head with a chair so many times before it catches up to you.
[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
The WWE lists a lot of those guys as bigger than they are, both height and weight. Not to say they aren’t huge, but they’re not quite as big as listed.
I remember when Rodman was working with the NWO back in the WCW days, and he was a good several inches taller than Hulk Hogan – noticably taller – even though Hulk used to be listed at 6’8" – he was only a couple inches shorter than Kevin Nash, even though if I recall correctly, at the time they were claiming Nash was over 7’.[/quote]
Agreed. Lashley is impressive, but I am doubting he is over 275lbs ripped. That sounds good, and he is one big son of a bitch, but 275?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
DON D1ESEL wrote:
Professor X wrote:
DON D1ESEL wrote:
and the absurdly swoll Lashley.
That’s “absurdly swoll”?
He’s right.
I have been clowned.
That wasn’t meant as a put down. It is just that I get tired of people acting like anyone with any size on them is a criminal. I would hope to at least look somewhere in the ballpark of that dieted down. The guy is big, but he isn’t THAT big. In fact, one web site listed him at 250lbs instead of the 270+ that is being claimed on the WWF site…and he is tall as shit. Heavy lifting, a ton of food and decent genetics make you look pretty damn big. I am more than sure that guy has a nutritionist just like many bodybuilders do.[/quote]
No you’re right, his physique isn’t crazy or unattainable. But he’s damn big to me who only weighs 211. As far as what he actually weighs…I have been to a few sites since he came on my TV, since wrestling is my guilty pleasure as an otherwise cultured person. Like I said before, Lashley is 6-3, and competed in amateur wrestling in the 177 class. If you look you can get a sort of picture progression; there is at least one picture of him at what I’d call closer to ‘250’. 250 pounds on 6-3 is something I have seen before in wrestling (Booker T and Shelton Benjamin, if it matters), and Lashley is much thicker than that all over. I’m not sure if I believe WWE’s ‘273’, in fact–Wikipedia’s article on him was reporting his weight as high as 309 in one edit.
Whether or not Lashley is roided or not…something about the puffy size of his face and the acne he looks to have (if you can get a closeup of his face) gives me a bad feeling. None of that matters though. He’s pretty big, but entirely within the realm of drug-free possibility. I imagine the wrestlers do have access to a nutritionist and other useful help, so who knows.
[quote]DON D1ESEL wrote:
No you’re right, his physique isn’t crazy or unattainable. But he’s damn big to me who only weighs 211. As far as what he actually weighs…I have been to a few sites since he came on my TV, since wrestling is my guilty pleasure as an otherwise cultured person. Like I said before, Lashley is 6-3, and competed in amateur wrestling in the 177 class. If you look you can get a sort of picture progression; there is at least one picture of him at what I’d call closer to ‘250’. 250 pounds on 6-3 is something I have seen before in wrestling (Booker T and Shelton Benjamin, if it matters), and Lashley is much thicker than that all over. I’m not sure if I believe WWE’s ‘273’, in fact–Wikipedia’s article on him was reporting his weight as high as 309 in one edit.
Whether or not Lashley is roided or not…something about the puffy size of his face and the acne he looks to have (if you can get a closeup of his face) gives me a bad feeling. None of that matters though. He’s pretty big, but entirely within the realm of drug-free possibility. I imagine the wrestlers do have access to a nutritionist and other useful help, so who knows.[/quote]
The real question is, should it matter? Wrestling is entertainment.
[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
OARSMAN wrote:
He sort of reminds me of Brock Lesnar.
When Brock Lesnar wrestled for U.Minnesota he weighed 255 tops… then he disappears into Ohio Valley Wrestling and a year later he emerges as this 300 lb. monster.
I assume something along those lines happened with this kid. Vince takes a raw kid with decent size and a ton of athletism, pumps him full of drugs to turn him into a freak and viola, you have yourself a “masterpiece” or an “animal” like Batista.
My only beef is the “ton of athleticism” part. Masters seems to be one of those guys who got hired solely because he was huge and ripped - of course, that’s only based on watching him in the WWE, so if he was a stud athlete before, my bad.[/quote]
There are a few guys out of every generation with pretty serious athletic credentials. I can list if you’re really interested. OTOH, there’s Brock Lesnar’s NCAA wrestling championship and Angle’s Olympic medal, and Shelton Benjamin as an All-American in wrestling and track (he was Brock’s roommate at Minnesota).
[quote]Professor X wrote:
DON D1ESEL wrote:
No you’re right, his physique isn’t crazy or unattainable. But he’s damn big to me who only weighs 211. As far as what he actually weighs…I have been to a few sites since he came on my TV, since wrestling is my guilty pleasure as an otherwise cultured person. Like I said before, Lashley is 6-3, and competed in amateur wrestling in the 177 class. If you look you can get a sort of picture progression; there is at least one picture of him at what I’d call closer to ‘250’. 250 pounds on 6-3 is something I have seen before in wrestling (Booker T and Shelton Benjamin, if it matters), and Lashley is much thicker than that all over. I’m not sure if I believe WWE’s ‘273’, in fact–Wikipedia’s article on him was reporting his weight as high as 309 in one edit.
Whether or not Lashley is roided or not…something about the puffy size of his face and the acne he looks to have (if you can get a closeup of his face) gives me a bad feeling. None of that matters though. He’s pretty big, but entirely within the realm of drug-free possibility. I imagine the wrestlers do have access to a nutritionist and other useful help, so who knows.
The real question is, should it matter? Wrestling is entertainment.[/quote]
If we look into it as entertainment, it doesn’t matter because they have to be impressive as much as possible but like you said before, they are suppose to be role models.
As far as the drug testing goes, I read on prowrestling.com that the wrestlers will only need a prescription of their doctor to keep on using roids so will that be effective if they already have a way to cheat on the test?
[quote]Luigi_M wrote:
but like you said before, they are suppose to be role models.
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I didn’t say that. I am asking why anyone would look at a prowrestler as a role model. They are entertainment figures. Do people look at actors as role models? I don’t. I look to actors for great acting. I look to basketball players for great athletic skill. Why would anyone look to the WWF for a role model and why does what they use even matter? Does anyone here look up to supermodels as role models? If they actually do, does this mean models should stop dieting excessively due to the chance that some kid will starve themselves to death? Role models are what parents are for. Trying to get the rest of the world to be role models for all youth is retarded.
[quote]
OARSMAN wrote:
He sort of reminds me of Brock Lesnar.
When Brock Lesnar wrestled for U.Minnesota he weighed 255 tops… then he disappears into Ohio Valley Wrestling and a year later he emerges as this 300 lb. monster.
I assume something along those lines happened with this kid. Vince takes a raw kid with decent size and a ton of athletism, pumps him full of drugs to turn him into a freak and viola, you have yourself a “masterpiece” or an “animal” like Batista.
BostonBarrister wrote:
My only beef is the “ton of athleticism” part. Masters seems to be one of those guys who got hired solely because he was huge and ripped - of course, that’s only based on watching him in the WWE, so if he was a stud athlete before, my bad.
DON D1ESEL wrote:
There are a few guys out of every generation with pretty serious athletic credentials. I can list if you’re really interested. OTOH, there’s Brock Lesnar’s NCAA wrestling championship and Angle’s Olympic medal, and Shelton Benjamin as an All-American in wrestling and track (he was Brock’s roommate at Minnesota).[/quote]
Oh yeah, I agree with that – there are a bunch of guys in wrestling who were at least collegiate-level athletes. In addition to the guys you listed, off the top of my head:
Big Show played collegiate basketball at Wichita State
Kevin Nash played collegiate basketball at University of Tennesee
Bradshaw was an offensive lineman for some college in Texas
Mark Henry was an elite (Olympic team?) lifter
Some old-school guys: Randy Savage played triple-A baseball; Lex Luger and Brian Pillman played pro football; the Rock played football at U of Miami.
I was just talking about Masters… [Obviously wrestling is also my guilty pleasure…]
[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
OARSMAN wrote:
He sort of reminds me of Brock Lesnar.
When Brock Lesnar wrestled for U.Minnesota he weighed 255 tops… then he disappears into Ohio Valley Wrestling and a year later he emerges as this 300 lb. monster.
I assume something along those lines happened with this kid. Vince takes a raw kid with decent size and a ton of athletism, pumps him full of drugs to turn him into a freak and viola, you have yourself a “masterpiece” or an “animal” like Batista.
BostonBarrister wrote:
My only beef is the “ton of athleticism” part. Masters seems to be one of those guys who got hired solely because he was huge and ripped - of course, that’s only based on watching him in the WWE, so if he was a stud athlete before, my bad.
DON D1ESEL wrote:
There are a few guys out of every generation with pretty serious athletic credentials. I can list if you’re really interested. OTOH, there’s Brock Lesnar’s NCAA wrestling championship and Angle’s Olympic medal, and Shelton Benjamin as an All-American in wrestling and track (he was Brock’s roommate at Minnesota).
Oh yeah, I agree with that – there are a bunch of guys in wrestling who were at least collegiate-level athletes. In addition to the guys you listed, off the top of my head:
Big Show played collegiate basketball at Wichita State
Kevin Nash played collegiate basketball at University of Tennesee
Bradshaw was an offensive lineman for some college in Texas
Mark Henry was an elite (Olympic team?) lifter
Some old-school guys: Randy Savage played triple-A baseball; Lex Luger and Brian Pillman played pro football; the Rock played football at U of Miami.
I was just talking about Masters… [Obviously wrestling is also my guilty pleasure…][/quote]
I looked up none of this: Bradshaw was at Abilene Christian, Charlie Haas was also an All-american at Seton Hall, Orlando Jordan, though he sucks, was at Boise State for wrestling, John Cena was captain of Newbury College’s footbal team, Goldberg obviously played for the Atlanta Falcons, Ron Simmons (there’s your old school) was a nose guard at Florida State, Jon Heidenreich played for the Denver Broncos, Stone Cold was at North Texas. Can’t remember where Kane and Ric Flair played football. Kurt Angle went to Clarion, in case you were wondering…and once tried out for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Mark Henry competed in the superheavyweight class at Atlanta and finished 10th, however he did win the 2002 World’s Strongest Man. The Iron Sheik competed but did not medal in freestyle wrestling at Munich in 1972. Perry Saturn was a former Navy Seal.
I like wrestling entirely too much.
To be thorough: from straight bodybuilding have come, OTOH, Hulk Hogan, Paul Orndorff, Billy Graham, Rene Dupree, Triple H, Batista, and Chris Masters. I guess they are the ones who aren’t too athletic.
In conclusion…I can’t imagine Shelton Benjamin and Brock Lesnar both fitting into one shitty little public school dorm room.
Masters a great wrestler? One of the few times I tried to watch wrestling featured him holding a guy in a headlock for five minutes. I will never get those five minutes back.
Professor, are you saying that bobby lashley isn’t using?
Anybody who doesn’t think that guy is using drugs is talking out both sides of their butt.
I wrestled next to lashley at the wheaton invitational in 1997 out in illinois, and he was a 177lber, tall and lanky and ripped. He looked like a 6 foot 3 ectomorph, with some mesomorph tendencies.
A great wrestler with awesome leverage and speed and damn good technique, he was a 3 time NAIA national champion for missouri valley. Never could compete with the big boys however, often falling short against some of the better DI talent. Mark smith, at 3 time DI all american beat him pretty badly out at the st. louis open, in the mid 90’s.
The problem is he looked like one of those guys you see in the gym who is muscular, but because of his height and frame, would never be big, no matter how much they ate.
He is incredibly sauced up. Even his head is “swole up”
[quote]Professor X wrote:
The real question is, should it matter? Wrestling is entertainment.[/quote]
It is?
[quote]DON D1ESEL wrote:
BostonBarrister wrote:
OARSMAN wrote:
He sort of reminds me of Brock Lesnar.
When Brock Lesnar wrestled for U.Minnesota he weighed 255 tops… then he disappears into Ohio Valley Wrestling and a year later he emerges as this 300 lb. monster.
I assume something along those lines happened with this kid. Vince takes a raw kid with decent size and a ton of athletism, pumps him full of drugs to turn him into a freak and viola, you have yourself a “masterpiece” or an “animal” like Batista.
BostonBarrister wrote:
My only beef is the “ton of athleticism” part. Masters seems to be one of those guys who got hired solely because he was huge and ripped - of course, that’s only based on watching him in the WWE, so if he was a stud athlete before, my bad.
DON D1ESEL wrote:
There are a few guys out of every generation with pretty serious athletic credentials. I can list if you’re really interested. OTOH, there’s Brock Lesnar’s NCAA wrestling championship and Angle’s Olympic medal, and Shelton Benjamin as an All-American in wrestling and track (he was Brock’s roommate at Minnesota).
Oh yeah, I agree with that – there are a bunch of guys in wrestling who were at least collegiate-level athletes. In addition to the guys you listed, off the top of my head:
Big Show played collegiate basketball at Wichita State
Kevin Nash played collegiate basketball at University of Tennesee
Bradshaw was an offensive lineman for some college in Texas
Mark Henry was an elite (Olympic team?) lifter
Some old-school guys: Randy Savage played triple-A baseball; Lex Luger and Brian Pillman played pro football; the Rock played football at U of Miami.
I was just talking about Masters… [Obviously wrestling is also my guilty pleasure…]
I looked up none of this: Bradshaw was at Abilene Christian, Charlie Haas was also an All-american at Seton Hall, Orlando Jordan, though he sucks, was at Boise State for wrestling, John Cena was captain of Newbury College’s footbal team, Goldberg obviously played for the Atlanta Falcons, Ron Simmons (there’s your old school) was a nose guard at Florida State, Jon Heidenreich played for the Denver Broncos, Stone Cold was at North Texas.
Can’t remember where Kane and Ric Flair played football. Kurt Angle went to Clarion, in case you were wondering…and once tried out for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Mark Henry competed in the superheavyweight class at Atlanta and finished 10th, however he did win the 2002 World’s Strongest Man. The Iron Sheik competed but did not medal in freestyle wrestling at Munich in 1972. Perry Saturn was a former Navy Seal.
I like wrestling entirely too much.
To be thorough: from straight bodybuilding have come, OTOH, Hulk Hogan, Paul Orndorff, Billy Graham, Rene Dupree, Triple H, Batista, and Chris Masters. I guess they are the ones who aren’t too athletic.
In conclusion…I can’t imagine Shelton Benjamin and Brock Lesnar both fitting into one shitty little public school dorm room.[/quote]
Marius Pudz won the 2002 WSM, as far as I know Mark Henry has never won. In fact, I don’t think he’s ever even made it to the finals.
[quote]cap’nsalty wrote:
Marius Pudz won the 2002 WSM, as far as I know Mark Henry has never won. In fact, I don’t think he’s ever even made it to the finals.[/quote]
I think it was the Arnold’s strongman competition if I remember correctly, I need to do some research to confirm that but I remember he won a strongman competition.
[quote]MikeShank wrote:
Professor, are you saying that bobby lashley isn’t using?
[/quote]
No, I am asking why you care.