Massive (Bad) Weight Gain. HELP!

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[quote]Fat Tony wrote:

Is cardio bad because I’m so fat, or is it bad with the phentermine?

I wont go see a doctor because they are all assholes.

One doctor even suggested Jenny Craig. Wow, how original.

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It’s not cardio that’s bad. It’s the intensity of the cardio. It’s been said before, that cardio for someone who’s majorly obese could be walking around the block. You run your ass off on the eliptical, and ya, you could be looking for a heart attack.

Now, the speed, that’s just stupid. You go flush that shit down the toilet right now. Those are like little heart attack pills. And you got no idea, exactly what the hell they are, since you bought them on the internet.

You NEED some supervision on this from a doctor. Maybe you’ve had a bunch of BAD experiences with doctors, but you MUST keep trying to find a decent one.

Jenny Craig sounds like a better option than the Burger King diet. If you can’t get your diet in line on your own, ( with the help of all the articles here… ) then you’re going to need outside help with that too.

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Why don’t you post a happy face photo of yourself in the gym?
That burger king picture was pretty funny.
This is either another really well thought up joke or a pretty sad story.
Fat Tony…If I was under house arrest you can better believe that the first thing I would have brought over to the “house” was a bench and weights.
Long walks and proper eating with full body workouts 3 times a week is what you need. 20 minutes of cardio is not gonna do it for you. Don’t worry about the power…it will come. It took a year to put it on and it’s gonna take at least that much time to take it off.
Good luck if this is a real deal and good joke if thats what it is.

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[quote]Fat Tony wrote:
Wait a minute, you guys are serious? I can have a heart attack by doing cardio? I thought cardio was from Jesus? I thought cardio was the way of God?

Is cardio bad because I’m so fat, or is it bad with the phentermine?

Now, take into consideration that cardio for a FAT MAN is 15 to 20 minutes on the elliptical trainer. Treadmill? Ha! I can’t walk on a treadmill because the belt skips (too much weight). Bike? A few miles, nothing too serious.

I wont go see a doctor because they are all assholes.

I go to one doctor (while I am on house arrest) and he wants me to join his “Weight Loss Club” where I buy my food from him, buy my shakes from him and also my vitamins from him. Why not just give me the payment book to your BMW and make my life easier.

If I go to a regular family doctor, they will refer me to a weight loss specialist. When I go to a weight loss specialist, they want me to buy shakes and meals from them. Sure, it’s a doctors office in the front, but in the back it’s a high pressure sales pitch with (obviouslly photochopped) before & after photos and testimonials.

I’ve been to 4 family doctors or GPs and I’ve been to over a dozen weight loss specialists. I went to all these doctors while I was under house arrest (they can’t stop you from going to any doctor, so I abused it).

I complained about being depressed. Nobody gave me drugs. I begged, I pleaded, I cried, nobody gave me anything. When I went to the 85 year old doctor that I know since I was a kid, he asked me “Whatcha want?” He gave me vallium #10 and then prozac to help with depression/anxiety (from staying in the house and not being allowed out).

I got my phentermine online. Filled out a questionaire, give my credit card and bada bing three days later I have a 90 supply of speed.

No problems with high blood pressure (I know, amazing huh?) only high cholesterol & triglycerides.

No (weight loss) doctor really gives a shit about helping a fat person become smaller. It’s all about how long you want to stay on the program.

One doctor even suggested Jenny Craig. Wow, how original. When it was time to pay the $75 for the visit, I suggest he wrassil me for it. He never said a word.

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Yes, being as fat as you are means you are at risk of having a heart attack. That’s the basic truth and no one who is clinically obese should jump into a training program (not to mention your recreational drug use) without a physical. Your desire to avoid the doctor could possibly lead to not avoiding an early long distance ride through traffic inside of a coffin while some guy in a tux drives a car that looks strangely similar to the getaway car used in Ghostbusters…only without the paint job and the humor.

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Hey there Tony.

You will not find too much sympathy here as many really believe you are responsible for your own actions. The choices are simple, wine about it or do it.

Getting to a doctor is about finding one to monitor your health, and approve the intensity of your diets, not to put you on the programs, and sell you shit. I would say don’t go there asking them to help you to lose weight, just to make sure you are healthy enough to do what is necessary.

Next get off the drugs. You dislike supplements, but are willing to toss other crap into your system. Really don’t make sense to me.

While I support supplements, and necessary drugs, they should always be there to assist you, not do it for you. The idea of happiness being in a pill is moronic. I admit I have a bias against anti-depressants and such, but to me it seems as if a person is avoiding their problems. Instead of finding ways to be happy, the pill does it for you. (That’ll probably start a debate.)

Anyway get a little pulse monitor to keep track of your heart rate when exercising. (And make sure any tracking device fits before you buy the thing.) You may have normal blood pressure, but pushing that much weight is still dangerous. Especially on stimulants.

Read the links posted previously, and go to the beginner forum and read everything there, especially the first one called “New to T-Nation” and the first link on that thread to “Vroom’s Beginner Thread”

Expect slow steady results, not overnight success.

Everything you need to know is here, just make sure your mind is open to it.

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Mage,see you posted early,so it’s bench day for me and I’m pumped bro.I couldn’t even sleep another minute.Tony, you need to flush that crap you bought online down the toilet.Forgetaboutit!!!You gotta want it bro!Everyone has given some good feedback,so get after it!Consistency,determination,attitude, drive.Rockscar said,diet,workout,cardio,repeat!You can make happen! TRAIN HARD Jimmy T

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Grey: When I was under house arrest, depression set in HARD. Food became my buddy, and exersize was just some hoe I used to bang. My estrogen levels must have shot thru the roof because I was crying, whining, complaining, I was on the wrag for 11 months. I was a guy who was NEVER home. Gym, work, hang out with the guys, Bicycle/Commerce Club (cards) and then home to sleep & shower to do it again.

When house arrest hit, it’s like my life ended. I did enjoy house cleaning. THat took my mind off of a lot of crap. I shit you not.

3toes: Thanks homie. But I’m not too intense with the cardio. I do elliptical for 20 minutes, and it’s just a little bit more then walking and not nearly as intense as a mild jog.

ProfessorX: Drug use? Hey, it’s perscribed by an (internet) doctor.

Mage: Not looking for sympathy. I am whining about doing it, BUT I am doing it. Why do I hate suppliments yet like drugs? Supliments never worked for me. Animal Paks, Creatine, Zenadrine, etc. They never did squat. I was fortunate enough to get my hands on testosterone patches for 6 months and I got several dianabol “servings” from a friend and it did wonders (this was 10 years ago).

“The idea of happiness being in a pill is moronic.” You obviouslly have never been attacked by a demon called depression or anxiety. I pray to God you never experience it. Pills do help with depression. I can’t deny it. It helped BIG TYME.

Am I on those pills now? No, because the the depression left with the ankle bracelet. No debate.

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Today’s workout sucked. I did squats, and I was only able to do 50 pounds! I shit 50 pounds! Then again, counting my body weight, I did 450. Ha! Top that bitches! Seriouslly, I feld embarrassed because I only did 50 pounds. Deadlift? 150. Car ride home? Praying to Jesus to take me home because the pain was unreal.

I was able to do 30 minutes of cardio without passing out. Elliptical trainer isn’t nearly as hard as a jog, but still, I’m kinda proud of myself for the 30 minutes. No passing out, no chest pains, no black outs, etc. It was actually fun.

I know it will be a while before lifting becomes fun again, but this stage sucks.

Besides squats & deadlifts, what are other “compound movements”? I was more into showoff moves like bench, preacher curl, leg extension, etc.

Thanks for everyones help, I appreciate it. But please don’t think I am looking for pity or sympathy. I fucked up, nobody to blame (except Little Debbie, she is no better then a dope pusher). Don’t confuse help/advice for pity/sympathy.

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That’s what we like to see.
You in the gym and no funny hat either.
Good work Tony.
I would suggest that you stick to any free weight excersize and you cant go wrong. Use the machines only in an emergency.
Cleans are good. Stick to medium high reps like around 8 for 4 working sets with a couple of warmups. Don’t try to do it all in one day. Work your way up.

Watch that you hit the grocery store and not a burger joint on the way home.
Eat a lot of small meals and keep the carbs to a minimum. High protein and moderate fat diet is what I would recommend to get the initial weight down. Why? Because without carbs it’s harder to eat as many cals. Start at 10 your bodyweight for calories to consume and adjust from there. Do a small carb refeed after the first two weeks of low carbs and then do a small carb load with low fat once a week. Forget about the post workout shake. Stick to real food and make 7 pm. the deadline for eating. Drink a ton of water and then drink another ton.
That’s the way I would do it anyway.
Good luck…

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[quote]Fat Tony wrote:
Today’s workout sucked. I did squats, and I was only able to do 50 pounds! I shit 50 pounds! Then again, counting my body weight, I did 450. Ha! Top that bitches! Seriouslly, I feld embarrassed because I only did 50 pounds. Deadlift? 150. Car ride home? Praying to Jesus to take me home because the pain was unreal.
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I may get flamed for this, but at your age and weight, I think staying OUT of the gym is better until you get back to a minimum level of conditioning. A weight gain of 100+ lbs of fat in a year beats the shit out of your joints (and your organs, and your endocrine system, etc…) and heavy weights, even “heavy for me” weights can make that worse. So, here’s my thought:

Walk. At 400 lbs, the stress on your body from working against gravity is all the resistance you need. You need cardio to burn fat. The elliptical trainer is better than nothing, and certainly better than sitting on a recumbent bike, but a walk at as fast a pace as possible is better.

Walk every day. You can keep track of progress with either distance or time. Figure on an 18-20 min mile pace to start. Shoot for 30 min a day to start for the first two weeks. If you can do that, bump it up another 15 minutes a day. Then, another. If you need to back off a day, especially at the beginning then do it, but always go at least 30 minutes. In 4-6 weeks you should be walking an hour a day, 5 or 6 days a week.

If you are consistent with the walking for 3 or 4 weeks, and you feel like you can work harder, try free squats (just bodyweight, no bar). Work up to sets of 20. You can try this with a broom handle instead of a barbell too. This will help prepare you for when you do hit the weights. Add in pushups if you can, but at your weight and current strnegth level it may be tough. Try pushups off of a low box, then progress to the floor as you get stronger.

8 weeks of this should get you ready to hit the weights hard again.

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This is only my third day at the gym and I am determined to get under 300 pounds again. Three bills may be a nightmare for you guys, but for me it was my prime.

My diet is 4 to 6 protein shakes per day, a crap load of water and finish off with a salad with no dressing.

I don’t know if avacados will throw my diet in the shitter or not, because they are my current addiction. We just moved and the new house has a giant tree in the back and I can’t stop eating those friggin things.

It’s only been three days of dieting & exersize and you will think that I am bullshitting you, but I feel a LOT better. Not on the toilet as much, because the deastic change in diet. Sleeping like a baby because the workout and the pill wears off at midnightish.

With some determination, a little bit of drugs and a whole lotta prayer, I think I can do this.

My wife said I can have a girlfriend, if I can get one. Only rule was no money can exchange hands.

She never said anything about credit cards.

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[quote]Fat Tony wrote:

My wife said I can have a girlfriend, if I can get one. Only rule was no money can exchange hands.

She never said anything about credit cards. [/quote]

Too much info, dude. <:-)

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[quote]Fat Tony wrote:
My wife said I can have a girlfriend, if I can get one. Only rule was no money can exchange hands.
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Tony,

Glad to hear you are still alive and are taking it easy in the gym. Be sure to take it easy with the weights at first too, ok?

What you want to do is make sure your connective tissues, joints and so on are able to handle what you are doing to them. Don’t be trying to do low rep high weight stuff any time soon.

My personal opinion, and I’m no doctor or anything, is that as an out of shape person who has been totally sedentary, you should give yourself a month of easy going to let your body adapt to seeing regular exercise. Like the other guy said, you could just do daily walks and after a while make the move into the gym.

Just be cautious man, this isn’t a race. If you keep at it, you will get to where you want to be, just be patient, take it easy, eat right, and be happy you are able to get out of the house.

Anyway, things like squats, deads, benches, chins (assisted or pull down at this point), rows, dips (assisted), presses (standing overhead) and so on. Again, no rush for heavy weights, just make sure you have the form down.

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It was supposed to me motivation to get me to loose weight.

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[quote]Fat Tony wrote:

Mage: Not looking for sympathy. I am whining about doing it, BUT I am doing it. Why do I hate suppliments yet like drugs? Supliments never worked for me. Animal Paks, Creatine, Zenadrine, etc. They never did squat. I was fortunate enough to get my hands on testosterone patches for 6 months and I got several dianabol “servings” from a friend and it did wonders (this was 10 years ago).

“The idea of happiness being in a pill is moronic.” You obviouslly have never been attacked by a demon called depression or anxiety. I pray to God you never experience it. Pills do help with depression. I can’t deny it. It helped BIG TYME.

Am I on those pills now? No, because the the depression left with the ankle bracelet. No debate.
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Actually I have lived with depression starting in Jr. High if not before, and running into my mid 20?s.

Change for me occurred when I quit looking at my problems as an outside thing. (Really I leaned from my mother that the world was against me, and from my father that the way to deal with it was to throw a tantrum.) I changed things when I quit looking at problems outside of myself, and focused on finding solutions inside myself.

More to say but out of time.

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[quote]Fat Tony wrote:
It was supposed to me motivation to get me to loose weight.[/quote]

Why doesn’t she just do it? I can’t even believe we’re having this conversation.

<:-)

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[quote]The Mage wrote:
Fat Tony wrote:

Mage: Not looking for sympathy. I am whining about doing it, BUT I am doing it. Why do I hate suppliments yet like drugs? Supliments never worked for me. Animal Paks, Creatine, Zenadrine, etc. They never did squat. I was fortunate enough to get my hands on testosterone patches for 6 months and I got several dianabol “servings” from a friend and it did wonders (this was 10 years ago).

“The idea of happiness being in a pill is moronic.” You obviouslly have never been attacked by a demon called depression or anxiety. I pray to God you never experience it. Pills do help with depression. I can’t deny it. It helped BIG TYME.

Am I on those pills now? No, because the the depression left with the ankle bracelet. No debate.

Actually I have lived with depression starting in Jr. High if not before, and running into my mid 20?s.

Change for me occurred when I quit looking at my problems as an outside thing. (Really I leaned from my mother that the world was against me, and from my father that the way to deal with it was to throw a tantrum.) I changed things when I quit looking at problems outside of myself, and focused on finding solutions inside myself.

More to say but out of time.
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Doesn’t mean that there aren’t legitimate purposes for anti-depressants and anti-anxiety drugs. They are overused, and many people would benefit more from changing their approach to life and taking accountability. But chemical and hormonal imbalances are real, and for some people all the self-actualization, positive thinking, and talk therapy in the world is not sufficient.

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[quote]Fat Tony wrote:
It’s not that easy as “Eat less, exersize more”

I used to love lifting and I used to like cardio. I’d get a boner sometimes from chest/tri workout to failure. Now? It’s just not fucking there any more. Cardio? Walking up the stairs to the cardio equipment is almost more then I can handle.

At this weight, at this age it seems impossible for me to get back where I used to be. [/quote]

Hey Fat Tony,

Listen bro, 12 years ago I was over 360 pounds. I lost 150 pounds and have kept it off. It wasn’t easy, but I did it because I really wanted a normal life. I couldn’t have one eating a pint of Ben and Jerry’s every day plus all the other junk. I am considerably older than you are, yet I feel as good now as I did 20 years ago!

YOU CAN DO THIS! I repeat YOU CAN DO THIS!

Sorry about the negative comments. It is only because there are so many “joke posts” that it is difficult to figure out which ones are which.

Accepting that you are serious about losing weight, you have to remember the following simple points:

(1) You must look at the big picture (sorry about the bad pun but it was really not intended). That means that you must realize that this will take awhile to accomplish – perhaps a year. You must prepare yourself mentally for a year of hard work and diet.

(2) You need to get a diet program that will allow you to drop an average of 3-4 pounds per week safely. The diet must also be one that you can live with even after you lose the weight.

(3) Depending upon your height and structure, I wouldn’t set my goals on 300 anything. Again, unless you are 6’4" or taller, I would shoot for the low to mid 200’s. You can train, but you will not gain muscle until you finish losing the weight somewhat.

(4) Don’t be defeated if you mess up every so often. Just get back on the horse and ride man.

I can tell you, it is really worth it! I can play ball with the kids, ride a bike outside on warm days, fit into really nice clothes off the rack of regular stores, and well have a really great life.

May all glory go to God! Romans 8:28

Good Luck

PS. Also, lose the “Fat Tony” moniker. Get something more postive for your “new you.”

SteveO

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Tony,

I just looked at your profile man. You are 6’ 1" – the same height as I am. I am maintaining my weight at 210 pounds – doing cardio and lifting.

I think that this is the number that you need to shoot for. So, you will need to lose 192 pounds. This will take a year to do safely if you are really committed to it.

You can do it!

SteveO

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[quote]jsbrook wrote:

Doesn’t mean that there aren’t legitimate purposes for anti-depressants and anti-anxiety drugs. They are overused, and many people would benefit more from changing their approach to life and taking accountability. But chemical and hormonal imbalances are real, and for some people all the self-actualization, positive thinking, and talk therapy in the world is not sufficient. [/quote]

I never said they should not be used, and can see times they should. Yet the current idea is if you are having a bad day, medicate.

Hormonal imbalances, true disease, those problems should be treated as hormonal imbalances and diseases. Psychological problems are different most of the time.

A good example is ADHD. This is a real problem, yet too many kids are diagnosed with the problem, and given the drug. Yet it has been shown (mid to late 80’s if I remember right) that something like 50% of the kids who were put on Ritalin without psychological or behavior treatment ended up in prison at some point in their life.

Also every time I hear the term chemical imbalance, I begin wondering if that really caused the problem, or if the problem led to that chemical imbalance? I believe the latter.

Lets use Tony here for an example. (Sorry Tony) He was depressed, house arrest ended, depression ended. Was that a chemical imbalance? Is this evidence that chemical imbalances can be corrected without drugs? It is wasn’t a chemical imbalance, would the drugs have worked in the first place?

Now before I turn this into a major rant, let me boil this down here. If it is used as a temporary thing with the assistance of external treatment, great. By itself, not so great.

This is just like the idea of prescribing drugs for fat loss without diet and exercise change. Or the same with heart medicine.

If a person is put on a heart medicine, the doctor most often tells them to exercise, and diet. To adjust their lifestyle. Too often doctors just prescribe the mental pain killer, and don’t ever treat the actual problem, or even think about it.

Now going to the opposite side, I also have a problem with most psychiatrists, psychologists, and psychotherapists. Not all, but most. I believe there are as many of them who truly understand the field as there are medical doctors who understand anabolic steroids.

This belief of mine is reinforced by watching the events around a close relative of mine. Nice girl went in with a minor problem, and suddenly all hell broke lose, and this nice girl turned into a total nightmare. The parents took charge, pulled her out, and she reverted to that nice person again. Years later a very bright and becoming successful person. And interestingly with that same initial problem that was supposed to be dealt with in the first place. (Little obsessive/compulsive behavior.)