Massive (Bad) Weight Gain. HELP!

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seriously, house arrest doesn’t mean no jumping rope, no pushups, no mailordering workout gear of some type. But that ship has sailed. There was no reason to eat as much as you have during the no workout period. You should have actually gotten slimmer since no workout should equal less food, but that ship too, has sailed. Now there is only one ship left to get on off of fat island.

this ship doesn’t have a motor, nor does it have sails. it has oars. get to work and start rowing.

metaphor to say it isn’t easy, but you have to sack up and do it. and quit going to burger king. i don’t care how good it is, its the reason you are fat. get that into your head and you might realize that the easy way out (eating-wise) is the enemy.

food is fuel, nothing more. so what grade of gas are you putting into your tank? hint: premium unleaded is not burger king.

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Welcome to T-Nation, I am glad to see that fellow members have greated you with a warm welcome, courtesey and hospitality. But hey, tough love is better than no love at all.
Man, my first concern is your health. A 400lb man on stimulants doing cardio is a prime candidate for a heart attack. Does your gym have an AED? No joke, it happens all the time.

Please see you doctor before you work out.
To restate what was mentioned above, all you need is hard work, discipline, dedication, perseverance and commitment. Ah, the simple things are not always easy.
Do pushups- push yourself up and away from the table. Sorry, old joke, not very funny, but had to say it.

Start of easy, the first month back, focus on going to the gym, making it habit. Don’t worry so much about what you used to be able to do. What matters is what you can do now.
Read through the articles section, especially the nutrition articles.

Good luck Tony. Don’t worry so much about what others think, at this site and elsewhere. You know what you need to do and who you are doing it for.

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I see two sins at play here:

The first is obvious, you were inside a burger king. That is perhaps forgivable, going into a burger king from time to time might not be so bad.

The second and worse sin in that you turned it into a ‘dining’ experience. You donned the Crown, and sat down, even had a picture taken to immortalise the precious moment.

Oh yeah, and what combatmedic said about your use of stimulants (phentermine or whatever). I dunno what kindof doctor you are seeing but its just plain irresponsible to give a 400lb man speed.

Wanna know the best appetite suppressant and metabolism increaser around?

Protein.

Oh yeah, and some veges too man, ones that are fibrous and harder to digest (such as brussel sprouts). Eat 5 or more of them, with 200gm LEAN and unsalted meat maybe a few more veges/fruit (plain) after that. See what that does for your burger cravings.

Drink 4L of water a day and repeat that meal as often as you can handle. Weight loss is yours.

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Take Rockscare’s advice.Get after it! TRAIN HARD Jimmy T Good Luck

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That 290 bench needs work and drive and determination can make that happen.I don’t want to jump you any more but I’m 185lbs. and 52.I just came back from the gym.I hit two sets of 5 @205 in the seated front military press.I trained my a-- off to get to this level.No doub’t you can too buddy.YO Tony u gotta believe,forgetaboutit!TRAIN HARD BRO!

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I recommend gastric bypass. And a juice fast. A couple colonics a day too.

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When I was in my best shape, I still ate anything I wanted in any quantity. I was never concerned with my weight, I was always 300ish since I was 19 years old.

I’d always eat like a horse, and I’d train like one too. Now maybe 300lbs bench isn’t much here, but to me it was.

I started yesterday. I put one 25 pound plate on each end and I barly did 12 reps. Cardio? Heh, bike for 10 minutes had my lungs burning like napalm.

BUT! I started. The speed (phentermine) helps, but… fuck it. I started.

Also, it seems impossible to get up in the morning. I used to be a 5 or 6 AM gymrat. Now? 8AM is a major accomplishment. This sucks. It’s not going to be easy, but at least I started.

And honestly, I could give a shit less what anyone thinks.

I drink GALLONS of water a day. I never use a glass, I open up a gallon in the morning and by 3PM I open another one and kill it before I go to bed.

And I was going for gastric bypass! My insurance accepted it, then two days before the surgery, two fucking days, they sent a letter to the hospital saying that the letter is no longer valid. My doctor was going to perform the surgery for free, but the hospital wanted 20K in cash before they’d let me in.

I know House Arrest was not a good excuse, push ups, jumprope, etc. But depression played a major part. I pushed to go to Fire Camp (where the white collar criminals go) for a year, that way I’d get in monster shape. But the judge had pity and gave me house arrest. I actually told the judge that I wanted boot/fire camp. He declined, and so did the AUSA. So, I got house arrest and then a month later depression sat in.

As for consulting a doctor? FUCK THAT! Does it say to consult a doctor on a box of Little Debbies? Does it say to consult a doctor on a Pizza Hut box? Does it say to consult a doctor on the Super Size/King Size fries? No, so, if the bad things don’t say consult a doctor, then I doubt that cardio/weights will require me to call a doctor.

I always fluxuated from a 42 to 46 waist. It was normal for one month to go to the back and get bigger or smaller pants. Now? I’m pushing 60 (size 56 and 58). At slightly over 6’ tall, it sucks.

It’s ironic that I have to pass a Krispy Kremes drive thru on the way to the gym. :frowning:

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Good stuff Tony, now don’t fuck it up by stopping. Report back in a month with some progress. Report more often to just remain accountable, but lets see some numbers every now and then.

Good to see you started.

Rolo.

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Wasn’t phentermine part of the phen fen. that was banned or was just fenflouramine banned?

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Yo Tony, good to here your training.It’s not easy, but nothing good in life comes easy and it will mean that much more to you.I,m in your corner big man.Keep us posted and bounce your training off us.TRAIN HARD Jimmy T

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Hey Tony,
Keep up what you’re doing, unless you eventually find that it’s getting to be too much too soon, then backing off a little (as far as total volume of your workouts and how much rest you get) would be a good thing.

Try surrounding yourself with positive things that can help get you to where you want to be.

Posting on here, and only listening to those who want to help is a great start.

Another suggestion would be to ask more questions in any of the Author’s Locker Rooms. They are going to be much more knowledgeable and helpful, just do a little background on each one before asking questions so you know what kind of questions to ask which author.

Consistency is much more important than finding the best routine or nutritional program. Continue to train and eat as well as you know how to, while at the same time, learn as much as you can and slowly apply it to what you’re doing.

Even though you may be super motivated right now, take things slow and allow you body to adapt and recover from your training. Also, you may find it easier to only change a couple things in your life at a time. It can be overwhelming when you try changing too many things in your training and nutritional habits.

Good luck and keep posting your progress. Do what ever you need to, to keep yourself motivated and to stay consistent.

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… and ditch the amphetamines. If that’s all your doctor did for you, when you told him you wanted help for your obesity, ditch him too.

|/ 3Toes

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Somebody should post a link to that thread of the guy who got out of prison with some good size. All he had was a tiny cell to work with.

Fat Tony you fucked up for a year, house arrest doesn’t stop shit. You have to pay the price and face the mountain. Nobody can push or pull you up, you have to face the mountain and you will determine whether you have what it takes.

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At my age, is it possible to pack on muscle?

Also, is it better to go with light weight where it’s comfortable to do 12 reps, or should I go heavy where I can only do 6 reps? Part of me says “Go heavy or go home”, but that was the old me.

I realize that building mass is a major key to my loosing weight. It will be easier to loose weight by gaining muscle, then it will to just diet & cardio. Right?

My old routine (please tell me if this will work for me as a beginer): One body part per week, 5 days on, 2 off, 20 minutes of cardio per day.

With that routine, I was eating whatever I wanted in any quantity. I realize that will not work any more. BUT! Do I go heavy protein (meats) or do I go heavy protein shakes?

I did like 3 protein shakes yesterday with a salad for diner and 2 gallons of water. It was real hard not to put ice cream in the shakes. BTW I used nonfat milk and the blue sugars.

It’s aggravating, it’s annoying, but I gotta give it a shot. if not for me, for my kids. That’s the reason the judge didn’t give me boot or fire camp. he said it was because I am a father and I needed to take care of my family.

I can’t wait to get back in shape again. I went to the gym today at 7AM and you should see the looks I got! What is he doing here? Both in the cardio section & weight section.

I was attacked by a personal trainer today. A 30 year old male in phenominal shape said “It’s obvious you’re not happy with your physique…blah blah blah”. He really pissed me off. He had streaks in his hair and braces. A 30 yer old man with braces? WTF? I let him finish his speech and then I told him that I didn’t appreciate metrosexuals who obviouslly were not happy with their physique that they had to enhance with streaks & braces. I may be out of shape, but I’m cool with everything else.

he just walked away.

If he wasn’t in such great shape, I would have kicked his ass.

Thanks for letting me bitch & whine

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Tony,

Some thoughts.

It doesn’t matter what you used to eat. Nobody cares. You used to be young too. Life goes on.

It’s time to grow up and start to look after yourself. You can’t get away with eating the same shit. You can’t get away with just doing whatever the hell you feel like.

Anyway, enough busting your balls.

At your current grossitude of weight, it doesn’t really matter what you do. If you threw on a walkman, and walked for a hour every day, while eating high protein and no refined-carb meals, you’d burn off fat like a mofo.

Also, as someone else said, don’t screw around with cardio. At your weight you are a heart attack in training. Doing the walk thing, for good distance, and eating right, will do a lot for your heart health. You can do wind sprints on the exercycle when the damned thing doesn’t groan and bend every time you sit on it.

In the mean time, treat yourself like a beginner in the gym as well. You aren’t the same body you used to be. Do good workouts and all, but don’t start out pushing yourself too hard. Just freaking try to enjoy what you are doing – which is hopefully compound lifts, not just benching and curls.

Anyway man, yeah, we are all busting your balls, but what would be really great is if you persevered, kicked ass, and were still around here to tell us about it! I’m hoping you will…

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Compound? Squats, dead lifts, etc?

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http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=459533

http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=459493

Read first, ask questions later.

Rolo.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
Tony,

Some thoughts.

It doesn’t matter what you used to eat. Nobody cares. You used to be young too. Life goes on.

It’s time to grow up and start to look after yourself. You can’t get away with eating the same shit. You can’t get away with just doing whatever the hell you feel like.

Anyway, enough busting your balls.

At your current grossitude of weight, it doesn’t really matter what you do. If you threw on a walkman, and walked for a hour every day, while eating high protein and no refined-carb meals, you’d burn off fat like a mofo.

Also, as someone else said, don’t screw around with cardio. At your weight you are a heart attack in training. Doing the walk thing, for good distance, and eating right, will do a lot for your heart health. You can do wind sprints on the exercycle when the damned thing doesn’t groan and bend every time you sit on it.

In the mean time, treat yourself like a beginner in the gym as well. You aren’t the same body you used to be. Do good workouts and all, but don’t start out pushing yourself too hard. Just freaking try to enjoy what you are doing – which is hopefully compound lifts, not just benching and curls.

Anyway man, yeah, we are all busting your balls, but what would be really great is if you persevered, kicked ass, and were still around here to tell us about it! I’m hoping you will…
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I am seriously worried about the heart attack. I am staying out of this thread for the most part, however, because I see many problems that this talk over the internet probably won’t fix. I will say I hope he goes to see a doctor if he hasn’t.

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Wait a minute, you guys are serious? I can have a heart attack by doing cardio? I thought cardio was from Jesus? I thought cardio was the way of God?

Is cardio bad because I’m so fat, or is it bad with the phentermine?

Now, take into consideration that cardio for a FAT MAN is 15 to 20 minutes on the elliptical trainer. Treadmill? Ha! I can’t walk on a treadmill because the belt skips (too much weight). Bike? A few miles, nothing too serious.

I wont go see a doctor because they are all assholes.

I go to one doctor (while I am on house arrest) and he wants me to join his “Weight Loss Club” where I buy my food from him, buy my shakes from him and also my vitamins from him. Why not just give me the payment book to your BMW and make my life easier.

If I go to a regular family doctor, they will refer me to a weight loss specialist. When I go to a weight loss specialist, they want me to buy shakes and meals from them. Sure, it’s a doctors office in the front, but in the back it’s a high pressure sales pitch with (obviouslly photochopped) before & after photos and testimonials.

I’ve been to 4 family doctors or GPs and I’ve been to over a dozen weight loss specialists. I went to all these doctors while I was under house arrest (they can’t stop you from going to any doctor, so I abused it).

I complained about being depressed. Nobody gave me drugs. I begged, I pleaded, I cried, nobody gave me anything. When I went to the 85 year old doctor that I know since I was a kid, he asked me “Whatcha want?” He gave me vallium #10 and then prozac to help with depression/anxiety (from staying in the house and not being allowed out).

I got my phentermine online. Filled out a questionaire, give my credit card and bada bing three days later I have a 90 supply of speed.

No problems with high blood pressure (I know, amazing huh?) only high cholesterol & triglycerides.

No (weight loss) doctor really gives a shit about helping a fat person become smaller. It’s all about how long you want to stay on the program.

One doctor even suggested Jenny Craig. Wow, how original. When it was time to pay the $75 for the visit, I suggest he wrassil me for it. He never said a word.

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Another thing, you guys are showing more concern for the heart attack then the actual doctors!

THe doctors tell me that I need to stay on THEIR program and purchase the phentermine FROM THEM along with supliments, shakes, meal replacement bars, etc. All they did was check my pressure, listen to my heart and ask me how I felt. Never said anything about a heart attack.

I fuckin love you guys man! Thanks for caring!