Martin Burkham (Leangains) Consult up for Grabs

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[quote]fd24 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]fd24 wrote:

I didn’t say getting in shape was easy, please tell me where I did? Nobody said it was easy. I said “easier”…you still have to train hard, etc. Eating to get big isn’t difficult, that’s why you have struggled with being lean on your multiple meals during the day, just saying. [/quote]

? I haven’t even tried to get leaner than this before now, so what was that comment for? I still eat multiple times a day (counting all of the protein intake) and would no matter what…and have leaned up several times in the past eating several times a day, just not past this point.

If getting big wasn’t that difficult, then why are so FEW of you here at that point?[/quote]

LOL talk about an EASY excuse…“I haven’t tried to get lean” that’s almost as good as “I’m a powerlifter”…Once again you misread what I write. I said “EATING TO GET BIG” isn’t difficult…Not getting big, meaning that bulking is much easier than strict dieting. And whose progress are you coming at? The reason you don’t diet down or haven’t is because you will lose a ton of size and realize how much of the weight you put on was not good weight. You were blessed with a large frame, big shoulders, etc but you’re muscular development in those videos is nowhere near it should be with how heavy you were at one point and how long you have been lifting, let’s be real. [/quote]

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Uh, dude in the last 5 months, I would love for you to show me the others here who have lost the same amount of body fat while holding onto the size they built.

That’s nearly 5" on my waist lost in that time period with the pictures to prove it…yet you are talking shit about it?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]165StateChamp wrote:

[quote]MODOK wrote:
Unreal. It seems like Prof, CC, myself, Stu, and several others are the dumb ones. We’ve been giving our shit away for free on here for years… could have been RICH by now on the backs of the gullible.

Of course we can still sleep at night so maybe its a wash.

This guy knows nothing extraordinary that would justify this money. He’s simply an ectomorph who cleaned up his diet and got shredded. There are no tricks. “Diet holidays” aren’t magical…pick any days you want. The cheesecake is just a marketing tool.

And the 16/8 fast… if my math is correct, thats pretty damn close to the old “don’t eat anything past 6 pm” that Oprah chicks have done for 25 years. Revolutionary. Pay me.[/quote]

Have you read anything on his site? Or do you just jump to conclusions? The guy has put out more useful free information than pretty much any single poster on this site. For a guy with so many qualifications and such a good reputation around these forums, I’m surprised that you wouldn’t put in the effort to do a little research. Go read his website, his transformation story, his plethora of free nutrition articles and his client articles. Maybe then you won’t insinuate that the guy is such a criminal that he can’t sleep at night because of his misdeeds. [/quote]

He didn’t call him a criminal. He is speaking on the “fad-like” nature that people respond to marketing like this.

There are no tricks just like he said.[/quote]

He said that Martin Berkhan should be unable to sleep at night because of his behavior. I think that’s labeling him as a bad person/criminal/whatever.

Sure, there are plenty of ways to get lean. I know that, you know that. Berkhan makes that clear many times in his articles.

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Well, I am not calling him a “criminal”…but I think any person paying 1500 bucks a month to look like an average gym goer who got lean is madness.

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[quote]fd24 wrote:
You were blessed with a large frame, big shoulders, etc but you’re muscular development in those videos is nowhere near it should be with how heavy you were at one point and how long you have been lifting, let’s be real. [/quote]

Also, LOL at “being blessed with a large frame and large shoulders”…as if I didn’t work my ass off for it.

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[quote]fd24 wrote:

[quote]Vicomte wrote:

[quote]MODOK wrote:

And the 16/8 fast… if my math is correct, thats pretty damn close to the old “don’t eat anything past 6 pm” that Oprah chicks have done for 25 years. Revolutionary. Pay me.[/quote]

I don’t understand that one, myself.

I always called that skipping breakfast.[/quote]

Do you know anything about fasting? Or any of the benefits? Or just that “breakfast is the most important meal of the day” [/quote]

I mentioned earlier I follow an IF protocol, myself.

I just don’t get how a 16/8 fast is that much of a ‘fast’. I’ve read the ‘science’, but I still call that skipping breakfast.

Also, an apple a day keeps the doctor away.

But I’m allergic to apples, so blow me.

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I’m pretty sure Berkhan isn’t marketing to most of the people on this board who actually have plenty of time to spend on this stuff given that they’re posting regularly on some bodybuilding internet forum.

Here’s how at least a chunk of the high end of the industry works.
Say you have a person who works 60-70 hours per week and makes 200k+ per year who really wants to get in shape and look good. This person values time far more than they value money since they have a shortage of the first and an excess of the later. This person wants to looks as much like someone who makes fitness a hobby as they can without putting in all the extra time that goes into a hobby. They want to get in the gym, get out, and get their diet set with a minimum of wasted time. They don’t want to fool around and waste time with trial and error or things they aren’t sure will work straight away, so they try to pick something they think will work, regardless of the money cost. Mostly these people find their trainers and coaches through referrals by friends and acquaintances. These people just want to look a certain way with a minimum of fuss.

For this sort of person who doesn’t place as much value on a thousand or fifteen hundred bucks as you or I, is this really that big of a waste?

Oh, then of course there are those people’s significant others for whom it really is a big waste since they actually have the time to spend learning about health and fitness.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]fd24 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]fd24 wrote:

I didn’t say getting in shape was easy, please tell me where I did? Nobody said it was easy. I said “easier”…you still have to train hard, etc. Eating to get big isn’t difficult, that’s why you have struggled with being lean on your multiple meals during the day, just saying. [/quote]

? I haven’t even tried to get leaner than this before now, so what was that comment for? I still eat multiple times a day (counting all of the protein intake) and would no matter what…and have leaned up several times in the past eating several times a day, just not past this point.

If getting big wasn’t that difficult, then why are so FEW of you here at that point?[/quote]

LOL talk about an EASY excuse…“I haven’t tried to get lean” that’s almost as good as “I’m a powerlifter”…Once again you misread what I write. I said “EATING TO GET BIG” isn’t difficult…Not getting big, meaning that bulking is much easier than strict dieting. And whose progress are you coming at? The reason you don’t diet down or haven’t is because you will lose a ton of size and realize how much of the weight you put on was not good weight. You were blessed with a large frame, big shoulders, etc but you’re muscular development in those videos is nowhere near it should be with how heavy you were at one point and how long you have been lifting, let’s be real. [/quote]

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Uh, dude in the last 5 months, I would love for you to show me the others here who have lost the same amount of body fat while holding onto the size they built.

That’s nearly 5" on my waist lost in that time period with the pictures to prove it…yet you are talking shit about it?[/quote]

You aren’t understanding what I am saying about being efficient. When you are completely dieted down, if you ever decide to get there, you will see that it was simply inefficient to gain as much weight as you did while following typical bulking principles, you have a ton of years training and “bulking” and I’d be interested to see how much more muscle you would have at 4% than Martin does someone who never bulked like that.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Well, I am not calling him a “criminal”…but I think any person paying 1500 bucks a month to look like an average gym goer who got lean is madness.[/quote]

I agree with this. Guys like Shelby Starnes or Josh Bryant are cheaper and deliver results that are just as impressive. The only person I’m disagreeing with is MODOK because I feel he characterized Berkhan unfairly and didn’t research at all before making derogatory comments.

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[quote]fd24 wrote:

You aren’t understanding what I am saying about being efficient. When you are completely dieted down, if you ever decide to get there, you will see that it was simply inefficient to gain as much weight as you did while following typical bulking principles, you have a ton of years training and “bulking” and I’d be interested to see how much more muscle you would have at 4% than Martin does someone who never bulked like that. [/quote]

How is it inefficient? IT WORKED. I am this size because of the approach I took. I mean, seriously? You see a guy my size and assume I did it wrong?

LO fucking L at the way people think.

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[quote]Vicomte wrote:

[quote]fd24 wrote:

[quote]Vicomte wrote:

[quote]MODOK wrote:

And the 16/8 fast… if my math is correct, thats pretty damn close to the old “don’t eat anything past 6 pm” that Oprah chicks have done for 25 years. Revolutionary. Pay me.[/quote]

I don’t understand that one, myself.

I always called that skipping breakfast.[/quote]

Do you know anything about fasting? Or any of the benefits? Or just that “breakfast is the most important meal of the day” [/quote]

I mentioned earlier I follow an IF protocol, myself.

I just don’t get how a 16/8 fast is that much of a ‘fast’. I’ve read the ‘science’, but I still call that skipping breakfast.

Also, an apple a day keeps the doctor away.

But I’m allergic to apples, so blow me.[/quote]

I’m not just talking about his article, I said “fasting”. Read up on it and maybe then you’ll have some pics of your physique on the site one day. Good day.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]fd24 wrote:

You aren’t understanding what I am saying about being efficient. When you are completely dieted down, if you ever decide to get there, you will see that it was simply inefficient to gain as much weight as you did while following typical bulking principles, you have a ton of years training and “bulking” and I’d be interested to see how much more muscle you would have at 4% than Martin does someone who never bulked like that. [/quote]

How is it inefficient? IT WORKED. I am this size because of the approach I took. I mean, seriously? You see a guy my size and assume I did it wrong?

LO fucking L at the way people think.[/quote]

It worked? You have been lifting 10+ years and you’ve never been lean? You have lifted that long and those videos show that you have a lot of weight but not a TON of muscle. Now before you misread that, I’m not calling you small or accusing you of having no muscle. I just think you were inefficient in your bulk, that’s all.

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[quote]fd24 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]fd24 wrote:

You aren’t understanding what I am saying about being efficient. When you are completely dieted down, if you ever decide to get there, you will see that it was simply inefficient to gain as much weight as you did while following typical bulking principles, you have a ton of years training and “bulking” and I’d be interested to see how much more muscle you would have at 4% than Martin does someone who never bulked like that. [/quote]

How is it inefficient? IT WORKED. I am this size because of the approach I took. I mean, seriously? You see a guy my size and assume I did it wrong?

LO fucking L at the way people think.[/quote]

It worked? You have been lifting 10+ years and you’ve never been lean? You have lifted that long and those videos show that you have a lot of weight but not a TON of muscle. Now before you misread that, I’m not calling you small or accusing you of having no muscle. I just think you were inefficient in your bulk, that’s all. [/quote]

I am learning your opinion doesn’t mean much. Also, yeah, i am going to assume I am carrying more muscle than the man in question.

You aren’t making much sense at this point. It took me ten years to do this…AND do all of the other things I accomplished, most of which would send the average person far away from training on a daily basis.

You aren’t speaking to a room full of college aged people. You are speaking to doctors, chiropractors and professionals. If this were that easy, every person with a degree above a Masters would have 20" arms.

Also, if you think Martin is carrying more muscle than me, you need glasses. That pic is the one he posted after his last “bulk”.

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Also, I mean, that’s my pic in my avatar. What pictures are you looking at?

Also, could you plese get back to how I was “blessed” with a big structure? I mean, I know what I looked like before I started lifting…but apparently I was HUGE according to you.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]fd24 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]fd24 wrote:

You aren’t understanding what I am saying about being efficient. When you are completely dieted down, if you ever decide to get there, you will see that it was simply inefficient to gain as much weight as you did while following typical bulking principles, you have a ton of years training and “bulking” and I’d be interested to see how much more muscle you would have at 4% than Martin does someone who never bulked like that. [/quote]

How is it inefficient? IT WORKED. I am this size because of the approach I took. I mean, seriously? You see a guy my size and assume I did it wrong?

LO fucking L at the way people think.[/quote]

It worked? You have been lifting 10+ years and you’ve never been lean? You have lifted that long and those videos show that you have a lot of weight but not a TON of muscle. Now before you misread that, I’m not calling you small or accusing you of having no muscle. I just think you were inefficient in your bulk, that’s all. [/quote]

I am learning your opinion doesn’t mean much. Also, yeah, i am going to assume I am carrying more muscle than the man in question.

You aren’t making much sense at this point. It took me ten years to do this…AND do all of the other things I accomplished, most of which would send the average person far away from training on a daily basis.

You aren’t speaking to a room full of college aged people. You are speaking to doctors, chiropractors and professionals. If this were that easy, every person with a degree above a Masters would have 20" arms.

Also, if you think Martin is carrying more muscle than me, you need glasses. That pic is the one he posted after his last “bulk”.[/quote]

Yeah man, everybody is busy and has shit to do, congratulations. I am also in graduate school and still managing to train. And this is martin at 196, both pictures from 2007 I believe. And yes, I would still be interested at how much you would weigh at that level of leanness and if it’s truly enough to warrant gained 60+ some pounds that Martin did not.

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Not to mention, you don’t even know his goals. Maybe he is happy where he is at or maybe he is just trying to stay as lean as possible. Either way it will be interesting to see how much you weigh to become this lean.

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[quote]fd24 wrote:

Yeah man, everybody is busy and has shit to do, congratulations. I am also in graduate school and still managing to train.[/quote]

This isn’t about whether you “managed” to train. This is about whether you can get to a well above average level of muscle mass (for the serious gym goer) while also reaching other career goals. If that is you in your avatar, you are not carrying that much muscle, at least not enough to be taking shots at the work I’ve done or the muscle I’ve gained. DEFINITELY not enough to claim I wasted my time or that it was “inefficient”. To be inefficient, there would have to be tons of people out here bigger than me who did it in less time while accomplishing similar goals.

No one cares if you think bulking up is pointless. I doubt anyone but some of you like this on the internet would see someone my size and think “he did it wrong”. You only see this insanity on forums like this…usually coming from guys way smaller than the one they are trying to criticize.

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[quote]fd24 wrote:
Not to mention, you don’t even know his goals. Maybe he is happy where he is at or maybe he is just trying to stay as lean as possible. Either way it will be interesting to see how much you weigh to become this lean. [/quote]

Why? I’m 5’10" with maybe a half inch on top of that. I won’t even give out my weight right now because apparently some of you still think I am smaller than I am for some strange reason…which is odd.

Why would you compare two different people in that way unless they both started with similar stats like height, initial weight and years training?

I weighed 150lbs my first day in college. If you think I did it wrong, please show me “right”.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]fd24 wrote:

Yeah man, everybody is busy and has shit to do, congratulations. I am also in graduate school and still managing to train.[/quote]

This isn’t about whether you “managed” to train. This is about whether you can get to a well above average level of muscle mass (for the serious gym goer) while also reaching other career goals. If that is you in your avatar, you are not carrying that much muscle, at least not enough to be taking shots at the work I’ve done or the muscle I’ve gained. DEFINITELY not enough to claim I wasted my time or that it was “inefficient”. To be inefficient, there would have to be tons of people out here bigger than me who did it in less time while accomplishing similar goals.

No cares if you think bulking up is pointless. I doubt anyone but some you like this on the internet would see someone my size and think “he did it wrong”. You only see this insanity on forums like this…usually coming from guys way smaller than the one they are trying to criticize.[/quote]

I’m 22 in my avatar and how old are you lol? Maybe I’ll turn the videos back on and watch you not even know how to lift. Did you manage to do a lot? Your rope curls were embarrassing and hard to watch frankly. But I’m not claiming to be huge, I have no plans to compete but I like having 18 inch arms and a 33 inch waist…I hope one day you can have that too. All this while obtaining career goals, wow I deserve an award. And like I said I will stay tuned to see what you weigh when you diet down to martins bf percentage!! Let’s see how many extra pounds of actual muscle you will have gained by getting fat.

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And that’s all I really need to say. I’m 24 and have already figured out that I don’t need to get fat to gain muscle. Have a nice day and I look forward to seeing how you look at 4% bf.

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[quote]fd24 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]fd24 wrote:

Yeah man, everybody is busy and has shit to do, congratulations. I am also in graduate school and still managing to train.[/quote]

This isn’t about whether you “managed” to train. This is about whether you can get to a well above average level of muscle mass (for the serious gym goer) while also reaching other career goals. If that is you in your avatar, you are not carrying that much muscle, at least not enough to be taking shots at the work I’ve done or the muscle I’ve gained. DEFINITELY not enough to claim I wasted my time or that it was “inefficient”. To be inefficient, there would have to be tons of people out here bigger than me who did it in less time while accomplishing similar goals.

No cares if you think bulking up is pointless. I doubt anyone but some you like this on the internet would see someone my size and think “he did it wrong”. You only see this insanity on forums like this…usually coming from guys way smaller than the one they are trying to criticize.[/quote]

I’m 22 in my avatar and how old are you lol? Maybe I’ll turn the videos back on and watch you not even know how to lift. Did you manage to do a lot? Your rope curls were embarrassing and hard to watch frankly. But I’m not claiming to be huge, I have no plans to compete but I like having 18 inch arms and a 33 inch waist…I hope one day you can have that too. All this while obtaining career goals, wow I deserve an award. And like I said I will stay tuned to see what you weigh when you diet down to martins bf percentage!! Let’s see how many extra pounds of actual muscle you will have gained by getting fat. [/quote]

At 22 my arms were bigger than that. I also doubt your “18” arms".

You seem stuck on the videos of me from CO…where everything we did was a different variation than how I normally train. That’s cute.

Let me know when anyone cares enough to watch you train at all.