[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]fd24 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I would love to see what 1500 bucks a month has created in others. I am hoping there are some NPC level physiques coming out the other end. If this is just so average people can get lean, I don’t get it.[/quote]
No, I think it’s more about allowing people to have a life and still look great. To not have to cook tons of meals and carry around containers everywhere. To enjoy satisfying meals and cheat foods while still looking like you diet. [/quote]
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Dude, you don’t look like someone on the high amateur or NPC level without making training and dieting a LIFESTYLE.
I understand that everyone has different goals, but you don’t look like someone who LIVES this by NOT doing so.
Your statement here sounds like an ad for half assin’ your way to fitness. I can now see what the appeal is…apparently no different than an Ab Lounge.
“Abz alone” do not a great body make.[/quote]
Not everyone has goals to compete. Some people just want to get stronger and leaner. You may say that those people have no business spending $1500 on a physique coach if they don’t want to compete, but there are plenty of people out there who make a lot of money and would rather just pay someone to figure the shit out for them so they don’t have to spend time doing trial and error.
I would honestly say that if I could go back 2-3 years and pay someone $1500.00 to set me on the right track and help me when I hit plateaus, I would do it.
Dan looks great in his after picture. I am betting Dan looks better than 95% of the people his own age right now. GREAT work.
However, Dan is not the goal of someone who really takes this seriously in terms of bodybuilding so that is where the criticism is coming from.
No, you NEVER needed to live the lifestyle of a hardcore bodybuilder to look like Dan. You just had to eat right and maybe hit the gym 3-4 days a week.
Why?
Because Dan ain’t that big.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
For instance…This is “dan”. [/quote]
Dan’s after picture is pretty impressive.
[quote]Vicomte wrote:
[quote]MODOK wrote:
And the 16/8 fast… if my math is correct, thats pretty damn close to the old “don’t eat anything past 6 pm” that Oprah chicks have done for 25 years. Revolutionary. Pay me.[/quote]
I don’t understand that one, myself.
I always called that skipping breakfast.[/quote]
Do you know anything about fasting? Or any of the benefits? Or just that “breakfast is the most important meal of the day”
[quote]ethanwest wrote:
Not everyone has goals to compete. [/quote]
Didn’t I JUST write in the very post you quoted that I understand we don’t have the same goals?
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Some people just want to get stronger and leaner. You may say that those people have no business spending $1500 on a physique coach if they don’t want to compete, but there are plenty of people out there who make a lot of money and would rather just pay someone to figure the shit out for them so they don’t have to spend time doing trial and error. [/quote]
Uh, and that makes this different than the millions buying Chuck Norris Home Exercise equipment that will later be used as great coat hangers, how?
Wow…then you clearly don’t enjoy this like I do.
People like that are most likely to quit before they ever hit anywhere above average in development.
[quote]ethanwest wrote:
Dan’s after picture is pretty impressive. [/quote]
Are you just up for repetition? You thought I wouldn’t post his after picture?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]fd24 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I would love to see what 1500 bucks a month has created in others. I am hoping there are some NPC level physiques coming out the other end. If this is just so average people can get lean, I don’t get it.[/quote]
No, I think it’s more about allowing people to have a life and still look great. To not have to cook tons of meals and carry around containers everywhere. To enjoy satisfying meals and cheat foods while still looking like you diet. [/quote]
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Dude, you don’t look like someone on the high amateur or NPC level without making training and dieting a LIFESTYLE.
I understand that everyone has different goals, but you don’t look like someone who LIVES this by NOT doing so.
Your statement here sounds like an ad for half assin’ your way to fitness. I can now see what the appeal is…apparently no different than an Ab Lounge.
“Abz alone” do not a great body make.[/quote]
Is it half-assin because it’s easier and more efficient? I don’t understand? It’s about being smart and keeping a life/sanity. And your post of Dan proves nothing. That guy had no muscle before and then dieted down. I don’t think he went to Martin and asked to gain a ton of muscle and get huge. But come on, his before picture is a guy who doesn’t work out. I think he made a pretty good turn around.
[quote]fd24 wrote:
Is it half-assin because it’s easier and more efficient?[/quote]
What is “easy” about getting into shape? It isn’t easy. Ity takes hard work and a lifestyle change. Period. Someone selling “easy” is just selling goods to the masses using the oldest selling tactics in the book.
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I don’t understand? It’s about being smart and keeping a life/sanity. And your post of Dan proves nothing. That guy had no muscle before and then dieted down. I don’t think he went to Martin and asked to gain a ton of muscle and get huge. But come on, his before picture is a guy who doesn’t work out. I think he made a pretty good turn around. [/quote]
I’m sorry, but do you think the rest of us DIDN’T train smart or have lives?
What do you think the rest of us who did get bigger do during the day?
And what’s more telling is that he got THAT LEAN by not following any of the normal recommended diets of today. Doing all of the things you aren’t supposed to do.
[quote]fd24 wrote:
And what’s more telling is that he got THAT LEAN by not following any of the normal recommended diets of today. Doing all of the things you aren’t supposed to do. [/quote]
Like what? I dropped the first 3 inches off my waist eating pizza and chicken wings twice a week.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]fd24 wrote:
Is it half-assin because it’s easier and more efficient?[/quote]
What is “easy” about getting into shape? It isn’t easy. Ity takes hard work and a lifestyle change. Period. Someone selling “easy” is just selling goods to the masses using the oldest selling tactics in the book.
[quote]
I don’t understand? It’s about being smart and keeping a life/sanity. And your post of Dan proves nothing. That guy had no muscle before and then dieted down. I don’t think he went to Martin and asked to gain a ton of muscle and get huge. But come on, his before picture is a guy who doesn’t work out. I think he made a pretty good turn around. [/quote]
I’m sorry, but do you think the rest of us DIDN’T train smart or have lives?
What do you think the rest of us who did get bigger do during the day?[/quote]
I didn’t say getting in shape was easy, please tell me where I did? Nobody said it was easy. I said “easier”…you still have to train hard, etc. Eating to get big isn’t difficult, that’s why you have struggled with being lean on your multiple meals during the day, just saying.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]fd24 wrote:
And what’s more telling is that he got THAT LEAN by not following any of the normal recommended diets of today. Doing all of the things you aren’t supposed to do. [/quote]
Like what? I dropped the first 3 inches off my waist eating pizza and chicken wings twice a week.[/quote]
I know it must be frustrating that people can enjoy food like that and still stay lean while you struggle to. I would be mad too and try to make it seem foolish and wrong.
[quote]fd24 wrote:
I didn’t say getting in shape was easy, please tell me where I did? Nobody said it was easy. I said “easier”…you still have to train hard, etc. Eating to get big isn’t difficult, that’s why you have struggled with being lean on your multiple meals during the day, just saying. [/quote]
? I haven’t even tried to get leaner than this before now, so what was that comment for? I still eat multiple times a day (counting all of the protein intake) and would no matter what…and have leaned up several times in the past eating several times a day, just not past this point.
If getting big wasn’t that difficult, then why are so FEW of you here at that point?
[quote]fd24 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]fd24 wrote:
And what’s more telling is that he got THAT LEAN by not following any of the normal recommended diets of today. Doing all of the things you aren’t supposed to do. [/quote]
Like what? I dropped the first 3 inches off my waist eating pizza and chicken wings twice a week.[/quote]
I know it must be frustrating that people can enjoy food like that and still stay lean while you struggle to. I would be mad too and try to make it seem foolish and wrong. [/quote]
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I’m not understanding this post at all.
I just told you how I ate to drop a significant amount of body fat. How does your comment fit into that?
[quote]MODOK wrote:
Unreal. It seems like Prof, CC, myself, Stu, and several others are the dumb ones. We’ve been giving our shit away for free on here for years… could have been RICH by now on the backs of the gullible.
Of course we can still sleep at night so maybe its a wash.
This guy knows nothing extraordinary that would justify this money. He’s simply an ectomorph who cleaned up his diet and got shredded. There are no tricks. “Diet holidays” aren’t magical…pick any days you want. The cheesecake is just a marketing tool.
And the 16/8 fast… if my math is correct, thats pretty damn close to the old “don’t eat anything past 6 pm” that Oprah chicks have done for 25 years. Revolutionary. Pay me.[/quote]
Have you read anything on his site? Or do you just jump to conclusions? The guy has put out more useful free information than pretty much any single poster on this site. For a guy with so many qualifications and such a good reputation around these forums, I’m surprised that you wouldn’t put in the effort to do a little research. Go read his website, his transformation story, his plethora of free nutrition articles and his client articles. Maybe then you won’t insinuate that the guy is such a criminal that he can’t sleep at night because of his misdeeds.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]fd24 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]fd24 wrote:
And what’s more telling is that he got THAT LEAN by not following any of the normal recommended diets of today. Doing all of the things you aren’t supposed to do. [/quote]
Like what? I dropped the first 3 inches off my waist eating pizza and chicken wings twice a week.[/quote]
I know it must be frustrating that people can enjoy food like that and still stay lean while you struggle to. I would be mad too and try to make it seem foolish and wrong. [/quote]
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I’m not understanding this post at all.
I just told you how I ate to drop a significant amount of body fat. How does your comment fit into that?[/quote]
He’s saying people can enjoy pizza, wings, etc while doing IF.
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]fd24 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]fd24 wrote:
And what’s more telling is that he got THAT LEAN by not following any of the normal recommended diets of today. Doing all of the things you aren’t supposed to do. [/quote]
Like what? I dropped the first 3 inches off my waist eating pizza and chicken wings twice a week.[/quote]
I know it must be frustrating that people can enjoy food like that and still stay lean while you struggle to. I would be mad too and try to make it seem foolish and wrong. [/quote]
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I’m not understanding this post at all.
I just told you how I ate to drop a significant amount of body fat. How does your comment fit into that?[/quote]
He’s saying people can enjoy pizza, wings, etc while doing IF.[/quote]
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Didn’t I just say I did the same thing without doing IF?
[quote]165StateChamp wrote:
[quote]MODOK wrote:
Unreal. It seems like Prof, CC, myself, Stu, and several others are the dumb ones. We’ve been giving our shit away for free on here for years… could have been RICH by now on the backs of the gullible.
Of course we can still sleep at night so maybe its a wash.
This guy knows nothing extraordinary that would justify this money. He’s simply an ectomorph who cleaned up his diet and got shredded. There are no tricks. “Diet holidays” aren’t magical…pick any days you want. The cheesecake is just a marketing tool.
And the 16/8 fast… if my math is correct, thats pretty damn close to the old “don’t eat anything past 6 pm” that Oprah chicks have done for 25 years. Revolutionary. Pay me.[/quote]
Have you read anything on his site? Or do you just jump to conclusions? The guy has put out more useful free information than pretty much any single poster on this site. For a guy with so many qualifications and such a good reputation around these forums, I’m surprised that you wouldn’t put in the effort to do a little research. Go read his website, his transformation story, his plethora of free nutrition articles and his client articles. Maybe then you won’t insinuate that the guy is such a criminal that he can’t sleep at night because of his misdeeds. [/quote]
He didn’t call him a criminal. He is speaking on the “fad-like” nature that people respond to marketing like this.
There are no tricks just like he said.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]fd24 wrote:
I didn’t say getting in shape was easy, please tell me where I did? Nobody said it was easy. I said “easier”…you still have to train hard, etc. Eating to get big isn’t difficult, that’s why you have struggled with being lean on your multiple meals during the day, just saying. [/quote]
? I haven’t even tried to get leaner than this before now, so what was that comment for? I still eat multiple times a day (counting all of the protein intake) and would no matter what…and have leaned up several times in the past eating several times a day, just not past this point.
If getting big wasn’t that difficult, then why are so FEW of you here at that point?[/quote]
LOL talk about an EASY excuse…“I haven’t tried to get lean” that’s almost as good as “I’m a powerlifter”…Once again you misread what I write. I said “EATING TO GET BIG” isn’t difficult…Not getting big, meaning that bulking is much easier than strict dieting. And whose progress are you coming at? The reason you don’t diet down or haven’t is because you will lose a ton of size and realize how much of the weight you put on was not good weight. You were blessed with a large frame, big shoulders, etc but you’re muscular development in those videos is nowhere near it should be with how heavy you were at one point and how long you have been lifting, let’s be real.