[quote]Arkane wrote:
Long Reply… sorry!!!
That was an enjoyable reply. Now tell me how many people you have killed in order to gain this deadly knowledge. I am not trying to be an outright arse, but I didnt mention rules once. Thus why a 14 year old girl got the upper hand against a 24 year old me. She was quicker and used what she had (her size and quickness) to hurt me. I am man enough to say I underestimated her because I thought it was PLAY sparring and she had the mindset to prove she was GOOD and beat me up!
Any school worth its weight will tell you that in the heat of the moment you will be hit ten times harder than you do in the ring. That little thing the body does when excited, so a pulled elbow in the ring becomes a crushing blow when threatened.
The sheer amount of MARTIAL ARTISTS that know 1000 DEADLY techniques who PAUSE… as their brains try and decide which way to react to a simple PUNCH IN THE FACE. you can train to kill all day long but you stop short of doing it. On the other hand I punch and kick my partners with REAL force and know that a back spinning roundhouse crouched elbow… blah blah, ALTHOUGH good on TV, in the real world is SLOW compared to a simple jab to the nose. The next time you try and attack someone let them pop you once on the nose real quick (de la hoya quick) and when your eyes cross see how quickly your mind blanks of that SUPER SECRET info.
Now this isnt to say that a OLD SCHOOL master aint worth their weight in gold, but most often those Kats have gotten into it a few times and understand what it takes. I have enjoyed watching MMA matches with John Doe from Killer Traditonal Arts school, get his butt kicked by a hay maker holy mary punch. How do you explain chance… you cant, so you try and prepare for how YOU would react to the unknowns. So how is showing a student a way to kill, worth ANYTHING if they havent been able to practice it? I cant fly a plane (though I am good on the computer flight games) so I aint gonna try and fly a real one because I have never practiced it. Its one thing to go to the gun range and pull a trigger but that is pretty one way, but to simulate a HIGH level technique to maim is weird to me. What if they have a motorcycle helmet and leathers on because they jumped off their bike, your mind has to process those variables. Myself A kick to the groin is GOLD in that situation!! No hidden techniques there.
My favorite quote of yours was "So while your advice is good, keep in mind that training to take a punch will not help you in a real “martial” (means military) situation or the street. That is life or death and training to withstand an elbow to the ribs will not help when your attackers wants you dead. "
The reason its my favorite is that I have seen too many people who are MARTIAL ARTISTS get kicked or punched HARD and they have never felt THAT LEVEL of PAIN, and their brains freeze up. I mean folks who could Kick my arse in the dojo, but when you add club noise or a crowd they loose focus. This is why my buddies and I used to crank the tunes or train outdoors at parks where people were, suddenly your ego is a partof the equation.
If you can withstand an elbow to the ribs and already know you can take the hit you can weigh out what is worth defending and what is worth taking a hit for to get to another bodypart. Watch a Sayoc video and see how taking a slash to the forearm is worth getting off a shot to the throat. Then watch how those Kats train with sticks REAL TIME… like the Dog Brothers… those are guys I WOULD NOT TANGLE with… They wack the hell outta each other and lose LAYERS of skin.
Stand in a ring for 5 rounds with a crowd watching you get your arse beat, and be able to keep your kewl and not forget to keep your hands up, and you will have a level of confidence that will allow you to focus on your opponent and his friends.
My other favortie quote was ":and he grabs your throat and crushes your windpipe. Ooops! No fair, " which if anyone has ever been to a tae kwon do school will tell you… FAIR is a RULE in most schools!!! Boxing with your friends at 2am because you had nothing better to do and you are drunk will allow you to know if you trained hard enough in the gym. although in the morning you HURT!!!
I aint trying to say all martial arts are bad, but be willing to build a base in your own abilities when faced with real time issues is worth trying. Its kinda like reading about riding a motorcycle, and riding it at 20 miles an hour around a car less parking lot. Until you take it to 180mph you dont know! Either you have the urge to test yourself or you dont… so if you dont want to know if you can do it… thats fine. I aint saying you should go pick fights or try and get into life or death situations, but for the love of all that is dont be THAT GUY that says he is a WHATEVER blackbelt and then gets knocked out cold by a hay maker punch at a bar one night.
Martial arts schools are full of guys who wear their belts on their sleeves, but dont have the maturity to spar/fight and help their partner learn their weaknesses. they hide behind the rules of the school and the fact that you have to come at your opponent a SPECIFIC way to get the advantage…thats why its called TRAINING… to train a aspect.
I am amazed at how many schools scare their students into believing that they will need to be a black belt to survive a fight. Often times being man enough to walk away is enough, but knowing that the drunk frat boy picking the fight with you is just gonna try and punch you is enough. Heck, I have even asked a drunk bar patron in front of a crowd if going to jail was worth what ever delusion he had that I offended him… I turned to the bartender and asked if the cops had been called because I had been threatened. The drunk sobered up real quick when he realized JAIL!!
In closing, if someone wants to do you harm they will come at you and you can only be as prepared as you can be. If they have a gun and you don’t, and they have enough distance then we are both screwed. BUT, since most of us know you put your finger in someone EYE they will hurt. BUT we decide that we dont want a charge of malicious wounding over a spilled beer. So maybe reacting with a acceptable level of force might be better, they punch you, you take the hit and knock them out cold… no lawsuits… no improper force.
Any idiot can pull a trigger but I aint training to stop bullets with my teeth (I am not the last dragon) I am training to stop that drunk red neck from hurting my family when we walk to our car after a night out to eat. I own a handgun and know the laws, but all the fights in my life have been punch fests that were over in two exchanges. Gouging their eyes out or crushing their windpipe isnt viewed as acceptable but for some reason a gunshot to center mass is… go figure… (See “Con Air” for the courts opinions on martial arts).
To close, I am taking 2 martial arts at present… WHY… because I think it is fun and I feel happy knowing I am learning something. Take what ever you want, but dont let your ego get control of you over some neck breaking technique you learned. Be curious to know if you miss what happens next, will you be able to take their attack???[/quote]
Dude, I think you are not getting what I’m saying. I agree with you that training through actual physical contact is the best. No question. I just wanted to point out that in all the scenarios and examples you listed there were rules or perceived rules of engagement.
So the issue is that you train by rules and when it comes down on the street you remember, what? Those same rules. You don’t all of a sudden jump to a perspective of no rules, because you have never trained or operated under a no rules situation before.
So you come to the “fight” with rules and your opponent, may or may not have those same rules. If he does, great. You slug it out and because you have trained that way and can take a punch, you will probably do very well. However, if this guy does not have rules, you will find yourself mentally unprepared for the situation. He will hit you with whatever is around; stick his car keys in your eye, bite, etc. Have you trained to absorb those attacks as well? Didn’t think so.
So my point is this; don’t be cocky and understand that because you are a nice guy with morals there are things you won’t do. But unfortunately, not everyone you meet will be like that or even has an understanding of fair play. We are not talking about brawling, which you seem to keep going back to. We are talking about kill or be killed situations, and training with rules will just mean you get dead. If you don’t realize that you need to train your mind to remove those barriers in a serious situation, that is what may happen.
That girl that gave you a good rib shot in the dojo would not last 30 seconds on the street with someone who didn’t treat her like a girl, like you did. Your mind is the best weapon you have. Remember that.
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