Find a cop who’ll teach you how to fight. They are more realistic and have often experienced adrenal-rush and faced bullets, knives, clubs, and so on. I don’t know about you, but I like a teacher who has faced down, for ex., a violent, 250 lbs drunk/crackhead, as opposed to Grandmaster Woo, who’d shit his pants if really confronted.
[quote]Scrappy wrote:
Great response to a sincere thread, Internet tough guy
Oh, and by the way, since I don’t drink I’ve never been in a bar fight. I was attacked though, and I did come out okay. Sports like wrestling, Thai, boxing, BJJ, MMA do have value in such a situation in that you will have good basics and good conditioning. If someone sneaks up behind you and starts shooting you in the head or stabbing you, then not much is going to help.
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Dude, you don’t read very well do you? I never said I was Mr. killer tough guy. I’m just pointing out that sport martial arts have rules. And training in that environment gives you a false sense of how it will go down on the street; meaning the other guy will follow the same rules.
So I agree that any training is better than no training. And being big, strong, fast, and having MA skills is a great advantage. So much so that most will not attack you unless they feel they have an edge. But you can bet your ass that the edge is something that would not be accepted in sport fighting.
My point has always been that sport fighters need to not be cocky on the street because they have no idea what may be thrown at them. In addition to their regular training, they should work on a truly no-rules mindset that they get into if they had to.
The problem here, and I have this also, is that I’m not a psycho. I don’t want to intentionally hurt people if there is another alternative. So my own morals will be a hindrance to me in the street when the attacker probably has no morals at all. In addition, learning and few non-complicated lethal moves, along with working on a killer mindset that you can turn on when needed, would be very helpful in a street situation.
Just so you know, I have taken about 5 different martial arts (belted in two). Out of these I think that Kung Fu San Soo is probably the best in helping train that mental “killer” mindset.
Anyway, I think most sport fighters would do well on the street as long as they don’t get cocky and think there are rules, and also be ready and willing to break whatever restrictions they have in their heads to survive.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Find a cop who’ll teach you how to fight. They are more realistic and have often experienced adrenal-rush and faced bullets, knives, clubs, and so on. I don’t know about you, but I like a teacher who has faced down, for ex., a violent, 250 lbs drunk/crackhead, as opposed to Grandmaster Woo, who’d shit his pants if really confronted.[/quote]
I would agree with this except that cops are trained to control and not hurt people unless they have to. They use pain compliance if necessary. This usually ends up on the ground in a control move. Which would be ok as long as you see the other guy behind the trashcan coming over to shank you in the back.
So ground fighting is not a good idea on the street; way to many variables to be tied up on the ground.
No, but you called me an idiot while hiding behind a computer, like a tough guy. Anyway, what you’re saying in this post is true. I just don’t know why everyone thinks sport MMA guys are cocky in the street. Some act that way, mostly to sell tickets, but the VAST majority of sport fighters actually avoid fights more than anyone cause they know what can happen even without the improvised weapons and dirty tactics that can go down in the street.
It’s as if no one thinks MMA guys started in martial arts that were geared toward the street. Almost all do. Almost all classes talk about the rules of the sport and the lack of them on the street and the subtle differences. I say, spend most of your time on MMA training and you’ll pick up what you need to for street. Tons of cops train mma and BJJ. Because it works on wild, resisting, aggressive opponents. In most BJJ schools they talk MMA/BJJ/No-gi grappling and street as separate things.
There is carryover, but it’s best to keep them straight in your head. So many guys here keep talking about the street as if a sport trained MMA guy doesn’t realize the eyes and groin are targets in a real fight. Or it sounds like many are saying spend your time training in the dark cause that’s when you’ll be attacked. Interesting tip and somewhat valid.
But the overall question is ‘what martial art should I do’. What works. Well the answer starts with knowing a few good stike attacks, a few good clinch attacks, a few good takedowns and a few good submissions and then the defense of those. And by knowing I mean against someone whose attack isn’t one punch, but is a punch/clinch/takedown attempt. An ‘alive’ attack. Most attacks are the same.
A wild punch rush or tackle rush. (guns not addressed here for now as this is another story). Learn to handle a really wild puncher or tackler and you’ll be set most of the time. It’s not about spending one day training on ice and one day training in the dark cause that MIGHT happen. Those are tips, after thoughts. They are not the bread and butter techniques. Also, they are very simple after thoughts. So much so that I never mention them to a beginner looking for advice.
I’m just saying, train something where the opponenet is really trying. Be wary of choregraphed attacks followed by the demonstrater doing ruthless, lethal moves. If in a demo the ‘attakcer’ throws one punch and the ‘defender’ finishes him in seconds then our ‘attacker’ ain’t being real is he? Make sure the art is alive and the opponents you use are alive. They should not just stick an arm out and call it a punch and then I claw their eyes, stike their groin, they bend over and I hit them with an elbow. It never happens really static like that. You’ll also need perception and timing/distance training. The things only given by sport sparring.
YES, there are rules, but get good with the limited rules and it will be no trouble to add dirty tactics. In fact, it is common sense to most sport fighters. So it is not idiotic to train sports. It is only idiotic to think athletes don’t know how to fight dirty too. The mindset of the street is taught in one day. The skills needed to stay on your feet and strike a grappler, or close the gap and submit a striker. Those skills take time and are worth learning.
[quote]Lorisco wrote:
Dude, you don’t read very well do you? I never said I was Mr. killer tough guy. I’m just pointing out that sport martial arts have rules. And training in that environment gives you a false sense of how it will go down on the street; meaning the other guy will follow the same rules. I also agree sport training will minimize the people who see you as a victim to begin with.
So I agree that any training is better than no training. And being big, strong, fast, and having MA skills is a great advantage. So much so that most will not attack you unless they feel they have an edge. But you can bet your ass that the edge is something that would not be accepted in sport fighting.
My point has always been that sport fighters need to not be cocky on the street because they have no idea what may be thrown at them. In addition to their regular training, they should work on a truly no-rules mindset that they get into if they had to.
The problem here, and I have this also, is that I’m not a psycho. I don’t want to intentionally hurt people if there is another alternative. So my own morals will be a hindrance to me in the street when the attacker probably has no morals at all. In addition, learning and few non-complicated lethal moves, along with working on a killer mindset that you can turn on when needed, would be very helpful in a street situation.
Just so you know, I have taken about 5 different martial arts (belted in two). Out of these I think that Kung Fu San Soo is probably the best in helping train that mental “killer” mindset.
Anyway, I think most sport fighters would do well on the street as long as they don’t get cocky and think there are rules, and also be ready and willing to break whatever restrictions they have in their heads to survive.
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[quote]Lorisco wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Find a cop who’ll teach you how to fight. They are more realistic and have often experienced adrenal-rush and faced bullets, knives, clubs, and so on. I don’t know about you, but I like a teacher who has faced down, for ex., a violent, 250 lbs drunk/crackhead, as opposed to Grandmaster Woo, who’d shit his pants if really confronted.
I would agree with this except that cops are trained to control and not hurt people unless they have to. They use pain compliance if necessary. This usually ends up on the ground in a control move. Which would be ok as long as you see the other guy behind the trashcan coming over to shank you in the back.
So ground fighting is not a good idea on the street; way to many variables to be tied up on the ground.
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Very good point. Usually a cop has backup and a fighter would not. It’d be necessary to adapt to more of a striker-mode than ground control. Excellent observation, Lorisco.
Can’t go wrong with Rex Kwon Do.