Marijuana Raid Leads To Cops Shooting The Family's Dogs

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]RenegadeDragon wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]RenegadeDragon wrote:
There definately seems to be alot of the sheep mentality amongst the "all cops are pigs crowd here.

I didn’t do a lot of research into this case because I know how much, or little of the information will actually be released. There are a lot of questions that need to be asked. Is this guy actually a drug dealer, does he ussually have more product and he just happened to move it? Does this guy have a criminal history? A violent history? A history of having weapons? The fact that he has a wife, kids and a foofy dog don’t change the status of those questions. [/quote]

What changes the status of those questions is the fact that nothing but personal use amounts were found on the property. Regardless of whatever intel they may have had, you do realize that this is not the first time cops have raided the house of people who were innocent of whatever charges they brought up to get the warrant.

I mean, unless you are for all Americans randomly being raided just in case someone may be smoking a joint somewhere, this just screams bad police work. Even the police chief understands this which is why he is stating that they held the warrant too long.

That brings many questions into play…like why raid this guy when his kid is home with guns blazing???

Sheep mentality would be excusing this based on the fact that they are cops. Sheep mentality is not questioning any laws or even bringing them to public attention so they can be voted on and simply falling in line.

The history of why marijuana is illegal to begin with is steeped in racist non-sense by a scared white majority…afraid that white women would smoke weed and listen to evil jazz music or maybe even something worse…like marry a Mexican guy.

Yes, the above is actually true. Fear is what started this…and fear seems to be what is keeping people in line.

I am glad to see you agree with these tactics. That says a lot.[/quote]

You act like regular people get their door broken down regulary and raided by police.[/quote]

Educate yourself.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/10374909/detail.html

Wait, that one wasn’t enough? Hell, that was just the first one that came to mind because it happened not too long ago. if 92 year old women can get shot at home by cops, you think everyone else is safe?

???

Really?

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I don’t know the history of why weed is illegal. I also have kids and in doing so I would not keep something in my house that increases the possiblity of something like this happening. I don’t care who you are as a parent if you have things like weed around your kids, you are not doing the “right” thing. Unless of course you want to teach your kids rules, laws, boundaries etc. are not important.

What says even more is the fact you ASSUME I agree with fear tactics on people because I don’t agree with the viewpoint people on this forum have about cops. [/quote]

What viewpoint is that? I have stated my view point clearly so who specifically are you speaking of and why are you grouping everyone who isn’t outright praising the police into the same category?

The debate in this thread is pathetic. This is also why no real discussion can ever take place. Most of you are just blurting out stereotypes and half truths from gateway drugs to somehow believing marijuana is causing more social damage than alcohol…which is insane.[/quote]

how was the 92 year old lady in that article innocent? The article say an undercover cop bought drugs from that house… They werent going into the house looking for her they were looking for a male suspect but she opened fire on them knowing full well they were cops… So once she opened fire on them they shot her.

Since when is shooting three cops make you innocent? I agree with you that this is a sad thing and she happened to be somewhat of a byproduct of drug dealing… but just like the OP article drugs cause the whole issue in the first place… very sad though

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Update on the article posted earlier:

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[quote]imhungry wrote:
Reminded me of this:

http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=219426&title=tron-carters-laworder[/quote]

hahaha that was an awesome episode. Too bad he stopped making that show cause it was one of my favorite.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

how was the 92 year old lady in that article innocent? The article say an undercover cop bought drugs from that house… They werent going into the house looking for her they were looking for a male suspect but she opened fire on them knowing full well they were cops… So once she opened fire on them they shot her.

Since when is shooting three cops make you innocent? I agree with you that this is a sad thing and she happened to be somewhat of a byproduct of drug dealing… but just like the OP article drugs cause the whole issue in the first place… very sad though

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Read above. This is why many people do not respect the police.

No drugs were found at that residence. There was no front page retraction article.

Welcome to reality.

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http://www.toledoonthemove.com/news/news_story.aspx?id=81735

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
The debate in this thread is pathetic. This is also why no real discussion can ever take place. Most of you are just blurting out stereotypes and half truths from gateway drugs to somehow believing marijuana is causing more social damage than alcohol…which is insane.[/quote]

I completely agree X. alcohol related deaths are way higher than drug related deaths… its not even close. Alcohol was once illegal but now is not… A lot like what I think is going to happen with marijuana. It’ll be legalized soon IMO and then this whole type of situation will be a non issue.

Plus all of these exaggerated woulda coulda shoulda scenarios have no merit. They are a waste of time.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

how was the 92 year old lady in that article innocent? The article say an undercover cop bought drugs from that house… They werent going into the house looking for her they were looking for a male suspect but she opened fire on them knowing full well they were cops… So once she opened fire on them they shot her.

Since when is shooting three cops make you innocent? I agree with you that this is a sad thing and she happened to be somewhat of a byproduct of drug dealing… but just like the OP article drugs cause the whole issue in the first place… very sad though

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Read above. This is why many people do not respect the police.

No drugs were found at that residence. There was no front page retraction article.

Welcome to reality.[/quote]

I read that part. They were after the male suspect who had sold drugs from that residence to an undercover cop right? When they came in (later in the afternoon) there was no dealer and no drugs. Would it be safe to say whoever the dealer who sold to the cop was left before the police arrived?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
http://www.toledoonthemove.com/news/news_story.aspx?id=81735

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again there were drugs in the house, marijuana and crack. I see a reoccurring theme here (well besides cops shooting stuff)

I’m not saying what these cops did is right but they just didnt randomly choose a door, kick it down and start shooting in any of these examples.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Eli B wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Rocky101 wrote:
If you support drug prohibition then YOU SUPPORT THE LOCAL DRUG DEALER, DRUG CARTELS AND TERRORISTS no if’s and’s or but’s about it. Prohibition causes more harm to society then drugs ever could hope to.
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How do you figure? Yes i read the article you posted and in no way did the former DEA officer confirm your statement. He did say arresting a local drug dealer left an open spot that someone else filled but that doesn’t mean by arresting them you’re supporting drug cartels and terrorists. That has to be the worst blanket statement in this entire thread so far. Dont be so dramatic and stick with the facts.

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prohibition drives up prices. Do you think drug dealers like high prices? Does a farmer like high prices for corn?[/quote]

Wouldn’t me buying narcotics support the dealers and cartels not being against it?

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Yeah prohibition supports the cartels who have a virtual monopoly on dist. and sales.
But if it was legal, or decriminalized just to grow reasonable amounts right here in the U.S. of A. your money would go to a farmer or an herbalist, or a hobbyist instead of to murderous thugs.

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[quote]Eli B wrote:
prohibition drives up prices. Do you think drug dealers like high prices? Does a farmer like high prices for corn?[/quote]

Wouldn’t me buying narcotics support the dealers and cartels not being against it?

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Yeah prohibition supports the cartels who have a virtual monopoly on dist. and sales.
But if it was legal, or decriminalized just to grow reasonable amounts right here in the U.S. of A. your money would go to a farmer or an herbalist, or a hobbyist instead of to murderous thugs.[/quote]

so if marijuana was legalized then drug dealers would stop selling it and only famers, herbalists or hobbyists would sell it? Current marijuana dealers only sell weed and no other drugs?

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Eli B wrote:
prohibition drives up prices. Do you think drug dealers like high prices? Does a farmer like high prices for corn?[/quote]

Wouldn’t me buying narcotics support the dealers and cartels not being against it?

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Yeah prohibition supports the cartels who have a virtual monopoly on dist. and sales.
But if it was legal, or decriminalized just to grow reasonable amounts right here in the U.S. of A. your money would go to a farmer or an herbalist, or a hobbyist instead of to murderous thugs.[/quote]

so if marijuana was legalized then drug dealers would stop selling it and only famers, herbalists or hobbyists would sell it? Current marijuana dealers only sell weed and no other drugs?

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The price of smuggling the shit from mexico would put them out of business compared to the price you could get from your neighbor with a green thumb who grows a little.

I dont know what other drugs have to do with anything.

goddammit I cant figure out the html quote function.

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hahaha yeah I dont know what was going on with that quote thing either… If it was legalized then why would people start growing it and selling it for super cheap? there already is a market for it and a price rate so why would the fact that its legalized make people drastically lower the prices on it?

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Eli B wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Eli B wrote:
"…can onlyy be described as the biggest pussy in the world. Hippie, artist, chubby etc. I CANT REMEMBER WHY, maybe possession of a few grams of weed.‘’

…They beat him up for fun. Because he had some weed on him. Definitely no weapon or resisting arrest.
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re read your first statement. You cant remember why but now you know it was for fun? Come on man. Dont just throw arbitrary things from another completely unrelated incidence that doesnt even back up your original claim.

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I know they beat him up. I know they didn’t have cause. My best guess is that it was fun for them. When I thought hard about it I seemed to recall it was for weed. You don’t have to believe me but I have been consistent. You don’t think cops arbitrarily beat people up? I mean you can think whatever you want but I can also think that you are naive.
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but how do you KNOW they didnt have cause? Were you standing there watching it? did you hear all of their conversation before it went down?

and I dont think cops just go around looking for people to beat up. In fact I know that’s not the case. There are exceptions to the rule as in any case but for the overwhelming majority of the time police dont put hands on people.

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I wasn’t there, I heard second hand, but I believe it. I’m not saying all cops are bad. I think some police departments are worse than others. I think Columbia PD has a problem. If you’ll recall I said “Some of these guys are thugs.”

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[quote]Eli B wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Eli B wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Eli B wrote:
"…can onlyy be described as the biggest pussy in the world. Hippie, artist, chubby etc. I CANT REMEMBER WHY, maybe possession of a few grams of weed.‘’

…They beat him up for fun. Because he had some weed on him. Definitely no weapon or resisting arrest.
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re read your first statement. You cant remember why but now you know it was for fun? Come on man. Dont just throw arbitrary things from another completely unrelated incidence that doesnt even back up your original claim.

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I know they beat him up. I know they didn’t have cause. My best guess is that it was fun for them. When I thought hard about it I seemed to recall it was for weed. You don’t have to believe me but I have been consistent. You don’t think cops arbitrarily beat people up? I mean you can think whatever you want but I can also think that you are naive.
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but how do you KNOW they didnt have cause? Were you standing there watching it? did you hear all of their conversation before it went down?

and I dont think cops just go around looking for people to beat up. In fact I know that’s not the case. There are exceptions to the rule as in any case but for the overwhelming majority of the time police dont put hands on people.

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I wasn’t there, I heard second hand, but I believe it. I’m not saying all cops are bad. I think some police departments are worse than others. I think Columbia PD has a problem. If you’ll recall I said “Some of these guys are thugs.”[/quote]

something we agree on.

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[quote]gregron wrote:
hahaha yeah I dont know what was going on with that quote thing either… If it was legalized then why would people start growing it and selling it for super cheap? there already is a market for it and a price rate so why would the fact that its legalized make people drastically lower the prices on it?

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Because thats the best way to get marketshare. To undercut prices. Their costs are going to be way lower so they can afford to. Hell they could charge the same amount or more and people would rather buy from them because they are more trustworthy and the quality is probably going to be better as it has never been stuffed inside some poor mexicans ass. Slap a 5% public school tax on that shit and it will still be cheaper than blackmarket stuff.

You’re convinced now aren’t you?

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[quote]Eli B wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
hahaha yeah I dont know what was going on with that quote thing either… If it was legalized then why would people start growing it and selling it for super cheap? there already is a market for it and a price rate so why would the fact that its legalized make people drastically lower the prices on it?

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Because thats the best way to get marketshare. To undercut prices. Their costs are going to be way lower so they can afford to. Hell they could charge the same amount or more and people would rather buy from them because they are more trustworthy and the quality is probably going to be better as it has never been stuffed inside some poor mexicans ass. Slap a 5% public school tax on that shit and it will still be cheaper than blackmarket stuff.

You’re convinced now aren’t you?[/quote]

hahahah I’m not convinced but I see your point. Thats why I think it will be legalized soon. Starting here in California and then Nationally… some time in the next 10 years I would assume. I think of all illegal drugs marijuana is the least harmful. I’ve never smoked and wont even if its legalized but its definitely no cocaine, heroin or meth lol.

I dont see why people would make huge markdowns in prices just to get a market share (especially because you will more than likely have to have a license to sell… like a liquor license and those are ridiculously expensive and not easy to acquire) but I do believe the price would drop slightly.

I’m all for taxing it whenever its legalized though (which would prevent the price from dropping too low) to help subsidize schools and other federal programs.

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I didnt read this whole thread but let me say this:

I despise Marijuana, I’ve never smoked it before, i’ve never really even considered smoking it(I’m happy to be drug free) Up until this year i never had a strong opinion about it. what changed my my opinion from neutral to hate was living with 2 stoners this year. almost everynight id come home from a long tiring day at school at my house would reek like pot. The rest of the house would make an effort to keep the kitchen clean and managableable, (7 guys living together) only to be thwarted by these two roomates late night stoner cooking where theyd leave the most disgusting shit out for us to clean. One of the guys was your typical stoner/surfer guy with a personality i couldnt stand at all, while the other was the whole Hunter S thompson stoner guy who trys come off as smart but all he really was, was a pathological liar (lying about his accomplishments and experiences in order to impress others). I truely disliked this guy. on top this, our hunter S thompson friend sold weed out of his room in our house, i would of loved to see cops raid our house and see buddy get charged. In this siutation the cops were probably too careless, but for the most part i find myself agreeing with what gregron is saying.

to continue my rant,I honestly havent come across anyone who smokes on a semi regular basis who i don’t consider to lazy or unproductive, face it guys unless you abosolutely need the drug for some medical purpose, it’s just going to drag you down.

So for me the existence of this drug so far has only negatively affected my life, if it ever came to vote in canada, it would be a no decision for me, id vote against it.

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[quote]KAS wrote:

[quote]Mettahl wrote:

[quote]KAS wrote:

[quote]EurekaBulldogLaw wrote:
Just another example of authority in this country asserting that it can fuck with you whenever and however it wants.[/quote]

I don’t think any of this would have happened if he didn’t have weed in his house. He knows it’s illegal and puts his family at risk by keeping weed in the family home. He is obviously not very smart. Police can’t just kick in your door, they would have to have some reliable intel.

BTW this is not about whether weed should be legalized. As the law stands now I don’t see anything wrong with what happened.
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You’re obviously insane. Next time you speed I’m going to let the police know so they can break into your house and scream obscenities at your son.[/quote]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA…go ahead. Not going to happen![/quote]

I can’t tell if you’re trolling or not, but if you aren’t, you are a giant fucking tool.

Police can do whatever the hell they want and then fabricate the details afterwards. Read the article the Professorx posted. They straight up murdered an old lady. By the time it came out that she had never fired her gun, the officers wounded themselves and that they had made up the informant, the whole thing had already blown over and the officers went about their business.

I was once pulled over for an expired inspection sticker. The officer checked my license and saw that I had been arrested once when I was 16 and came back to my car with a huge attitude. I told him he couldn’t search my car (he had no reason to ask in the first place other than my record), so he called the K9. The dog alerted, whatever the fuck that means (The whole K9 thing is fucking retarded. Whether or not the dog “alerts” is completely at the discretion of his handler. It’s basically a free pass to search whatever they want.) and they found an empty pill bottle in the back seat of my car. To this day I don’t know how it got there, probably a buddy, it was completely empty and had no label, but the officer put me in handcuffs and I spent the night in jail for drug paraphernalia. The case was later dropped entirely, but not until I had already paid for a lawyer and dropped $400 to get my car out of the impound.

The guy in the ops post was also charged with possession of paraphernalia, a class C misdemeanor in most states. Speeding is also a class C misdemeanor. So is not having a valid drivers license. Putting his family at risk? I’m not going to bother looking up actual statistics for you, but speeding kills many, many times more people each year than marijuana.

And since when is it “smart” to blindly follow laws? You do realize that this country was founded by a bunch of guys committing treason, right? I won’t even get started on what a colossal cluster fuck the “war on drugs” has become because it seems that most here are in agreement.

I can’t believe there isn’t more outrage over these sorts of things. I feel really bad for the guy and his family.

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[quote]overstand wrote:
I can’t tell if you’re trolling or not, but if you aren’t, you are a giant fucking tool.

Police can do whatever the hell they want and then fabricate the details afterwards. Read the article the Professorx posted. They straight up murdered an old lady. By the time it came out that she had never fired her gun, the officers wounded themselves and that they had made up the informant, the whole thing had already blown over and the officers went about their business.

I was once pulled over for an expired inspection sticker. The officer checked my license and saw that I had been arrested once when I was 16 and came back to my car with a huge attitude. I told him he couldn’t search my car (he had no reason to ask in the first place other than my record), so he called the K9. The dog alerted, whatever the fuck that means (The whole K9 thing is fucking retarded. Whether or not the dog “alerts” is completely at the discretion of his handler. It’s basically a free pass to search whatever they want.) and they found an empty pill bottle in the back seat of my car. To this day I don’t know how it got there, probably a buddy, it was completely empty and had no label, but the officer put me in handcuffs and I spent the night in jail for drug paraphernalia. The case was later dropped entirely, but not until I had already paid for a lawyer and dropped $400 to get my car out of the impound.

The guy in the ops post was also charged with possession of paraphernalia, a class C misdemeanor in most states. Speeding is also a class C misdemeanor. So is not having a valid drivers license. Putting his family at risk? I’m not going to bother looking up actual statistics for you, but speeding kills many, many times more people each year than marijuana.

And since when is it “smart” to blindly follow laws? You do realize that this country was founded by a bunch of guys committing treason, right? I won’t even get started on what a colossal cluster fuck the “war on drugs” has become because it seems that most here are in agreement.

I can’t believe there isn’t more outrage over these sorts of things. I feel really bad for the guy and his family. [/quote]

Theres so many things in your post that need to be addressed I don’t even know where to start.

The police didnt “straight up murder an old lady.” She shot 3 police officers who had a warrant from a judge and were serching her house.

What were you arrested for when you were 16? The fact that you refused to let the cop search your vehicle is suspicious right there. With nothing to hide why would you refuse? But then you make a big deal about it and guess what? The cop finds “drug paraphernalia.” Its not like you were hasstled by this cop and then he found nothing in your car.

As dumb as you think the law is its still a law. I would also say that in 99% of cases it IS SMART to follow laws… What laws arent smart to follow?

I also feel sorry for the guy and his family cause thats a shitty situation but its a shitty situation that he put himself into by breaking the law.

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Drug paraphernalia is a class A misdemeanor in the OPs state not a class C.

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