You’re being very selective in the research you choose to believe. Marijuanan has been shown (especially in teenagers) to trigger schizophrenia.
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You’re not reading the studies carefully enough
“Since the Swedish study, the evidence has piled up. Still, despite the scary and numbing evidence, there is not yet any evidence that cannabis causes schizophrenia de novo. Instead, it appears to be interacting with some already existing risk factor.”
Genetic predisposition
and almost no risk if you wait until age 18 or 19.
[quote]ruglayer09052000 wrote:
Speculating seems to be the ‘word of the day’. Since we weren’t there, we can only ‘speculate’ what happened. Of course, that makes for much better news than really searching for the truth. I follow the law. If that makes me a sheep, so be it. If I don’t agree with the law, I still follow it. That is what a responsible, productive member of society does. If I feel like doing the work, I try to change it.
There is a saying…‘Walk a mile in their shoes…’. I may not always agree with law enforcement, or the way they sometimes go about it, but I have the utmost respect for them and what they do. It has to be, in general, the most thankless job there is. Name calling is the bastion of the weak-minded and uneducated.
Sorry if the libs here don’t like this comment, and they won’t, either. And, for those of you who say ‘It’s just weed, dude.’ Do some actual investigation into that comment. More times than not, especially in today’s world, it is a gateway to other, more harmful substances.[/quote]
This gateway bullshit has got to stop. It is utter bullshit. I think you need to do some actual investigation into it. Oh wait you prolly heard that from the brainwashing cops and government.
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I have to agree…because if that were the case, ALCOHOL would also be a “gateway drug”…yet I don’t see anyone protesting it on those grounds.
Using pseudo-scientific unsubstantiated speculation to justify a political stance makes little sense…but then, that is pretty much all that sheep can fight back with.[/quote]
Cigarettes and Alcohol have a higher probability of transition onto harder drugs.
The gateway fallacy has merit only because it links Marijuana users to people that try to push harder drugs like Meth.
Making it legal would solve a lot of the problems. Sure, legislate like you do with alcohol, but an all out ban has just created larger socio-political problems that cost the taxpayer insane amounts of money. It’s just like steroids and their prohibition.
[quote]saveski wrote:
Wake up you dumb fucking sheeple. Weed is a victimless crime. So is prostitution. And gambling, etc. And I’m not anti-cop. I feel bad that they have to enforce mindless laws.[/quote]
Gambling is not victimless, it causes measurable damage to the gamblers family and friends.
[quote]KAS wrote:
You’re being very selective in the research you choose to believe. Marijuanan has been shown (especially in teenagers) to trigger schizophrenia.[/quote]
Who’s being selective? Re-read your so called research again. There is no causal mechanism linking schizophrenia and marijuana usage.
But hey, stuff like alcohol causes no harm on that level, right?
It’s not like most of the crack babies identified in years gone by were later discovered to have FAS, right?
It’s not like up to 24% of Dementia cases are linked to alcohol, right?
It’s not like heavy drinking can increase you chances of a stroke threefold, right?
It’s not like alcohol can trigger depression, right?
[quote]KAS wrote:
How so? You’re dong the EXACT same thing. Not on the same scale as a paedophile, but the thought process is the same.[/quote]
Actually it’s not. If you were talking about Meth I might agree. But we’re talking about a drug that has been proven to NOT be physiologically addictive.
[quote]VerbalHologram wrote:
Fucking Disgusting. Jesus Christ, and to make matters worse, the guy is probably going to lose the case and not be able to sue. All I have to say is if someone ever touches my shih tzu, I would go absolutely berserk. I’m amazed at how the guy did not freak out on a cop, I honestly think I would have went for a weapon and tried to take out as many as I could.[/quote]
“All I have to say is if someone ever touches my shih tzu, I would go absolutely berserk.”
I’m sorry, but this cracked me the fuck up.
I’m putting up a picture of a shih tzu for reference.
[quote]Xab wrote:
Well, if you’re dumb enough to keep drugs in the same house that you and your kids live in, you deserve for shit like this to happen to you. [/quote]
Better clear your house of aspirin, coffee, soda, alcohol etc. Those are all dangerous drugs that can and do cause death.
49% of Americans 12 and over have smoked marijuana. Yet 1.3% of the population according to the feds are addicted to hard drugs. Tell me again how marijuana is a gateway drug? Also, were are all the mental institutions for all the schizophrenics, I mean 49% of the population is a huge number were are all the crazy people. If you support drug prohibition then YOU SUPPORT THE LOCAL DRUG DEALER, DRUG CARTELS AND TERRORISTS no if’s and’s or but’s about it. Prohibition causes more harm to society then drugs ever could hope to.
Here is a former DEA telling it how it is
[quote]Xab wrote:
Well, if you’re dumb enough to keep drugs in the same house that you and your kids live in, you deserve for shit like this to happen to you. [/quote]
Better clear your house of aspirin, coffee, soda, alcohol etc. Those are all dangerous drugs that can and do cause death. [/quote]
why would you have to clear your house of asprin, coffee, soda, alcohol? those are not illegal narcotics. quite trying to lump those and marijuana into the same category because no matter how harmless you think marijuana is IT IS ILLEGAL. (probably not for long though but right now it still is)
[quote]saveski wrote:
Wake up you dumb fucking sheeple. Weed is a victimless crime. So is prostitution. And gambling, etc. And I’m not anti-cop. I feel bad that they have to enforce mindless laws.[/quote]
Gambling is not victimless, it causes measurable damage to the gamblers family and friends.
Don’t lump that shit in with AAS and Marijuana.[/quote]
[quote]Eli B wrote:
"…can onlyy be described as the biggest pussy in the world. Hippie, artist, chubby etc. I CANT REMEMBER WHY, maybe possession of a few grams of weed.‘’
…They beat him up for fun. Because he had some weed on him. Definitely no weapon or resisting arrest.
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re read your first statement. You cant remember why but now you know it was for fun? Come on man. Dont just throw arbitrary things from another completely unrelated incidence that doesnt even back up your original claim.
[quote]Rocky101 wrote:
49% of Americans 12 and over have smoked marijuana. Yet 1.3% of the population according to the feds are addicted to hard drugs. Tell me again how marijuana is a gateway drug? Also, were are all the mental institutions for all the schizophrenics, I mean 49% of the population is a huge number were are all the crazy people. If you support drug prohibition then YOU SUPPORT THE LOCAL DRUG DEALER, DRUG CARTELS AND TERRORISTS no if’s and’s or but’s about it. Prohibition causes more harm to society then drugs ever could hope to.
Here is a former DEA telling it how it is Fighting against the war on drugs | News | PleasantonWeekly.com | [/quote]
Unfortunately Mental Institutions are rarely used these days. For the most part people with mental disability/behavioral problems are left to go to jail and get medication. Once they are released they ussually can’t take care of themselves and end up returning to jail.
[quote]Rocky101 wrote:
If you support drug prohibition then YOU SUPPORT THE LOCAL DRUG DEALER, DRUG CARTELS AND TERRORISTS no if’s and’s or but’s about it. Prohibition causes more harm to society then drugs ever could hope to.
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How do you figure? Yes i read the article you posted and in no way did the former DEA officer confirm your statement. He did say arresting a local drug dealer left an open spot that someone else filled but that doesn’t mean by arresting them you’re supporting drug cartels and terrorists. That has to be the worst blanket statement in this entire thread so far. Dont be so dramatic and stick with the facts.
[quote]Eli B wrote:
"…can onlyy be described as the biggest pussy in the world. Hippie, artist, chubby etc. I CANT REMEMBER WHY, maybe possession of a few grams of weed.‘’
…They beat him up for fun. Because he had some weed on him. Definitely no weapon or resisting arrest.
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re read your first statement. You cant remember why but now you know it was for fun? Come on man. Dont just throw arbitrary things from another completely unrelated incidence that doesnt even back up your original claim.
.greg.[/quote]
I know they beat him up. I know they didn’t have cause. My best guess is that it was fun for them. When I thought hard about it I seemed to recall it was for weed. You don’t have to believe me but I have been consistent. You don’t think cops arbitrarily beat people up? I mean you can think whatever you want but I can also think that you are naive.
[quote]Rocky101 wrote:
If you support drug prohibition then YOU SUPPORT THE LOCAL DRUG DEALER, DRUG CARTELS AND TERRORISTS no if’s and’s or but’s about it. Prohibition causes more harm to society then drugs ever could hope to.
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How do you figure? Yes i read the article you posted and in no way did the former DEA officer confirm your statement. He did say arresting a local drug dealer left an open spot that someone else filled but that doesn’t mean by arresting them you’re supporting drug cartels and terrorists. That has to be the worst blanket statement in this entire thread so far. Dont be so dramatic and stick with the facts.
.greg.
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prohibition drives up prices. Do you think drug dealers like high prices? Does a farmer like high prices for corn?
a guy that can only be described as the biggest pussy in the world. Hippie, artist, chubby etc. I can’t remember why, maybe possession of a few grams of weed.
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I resent that statement
so when you are an artist you are a pussy? you may want to re-look at what you wrote
Having the courage to try to earn a living by your doing own project is a thing I respect greatly
Or maybe he just did like art, unlike you and every of your bro? In that case you are a huge idiot.
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LOL. I have a minor in Studio Art. I was giving you a sense of the type of person he is. He is both a pussy and artsy. Not the type to resist arrest or anything.
[quote]Rocky101 wrote:
If you support drug prohibition then YOU SUPPORT THE LOCAL DRUG DEALER, DRUG CARTELS AND TERRORISTS no if’s and’s or but’s about it. Prohibition causes more harm to society then drugs ever could hope to.
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How do you figure? Yes i read the article you posted and in no way did the former DEA officer confirm your statement. He did say arresting a local drug dealer left an open spot that someone else filled but that doesn’t mean by arresting them you’re supporting drug cartels and terrorists. That has to be the worst blanket statement in this entire thread so far. Dont be so dramatic and stick with the facts.
.greg.
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prohibition drives up prices. Do you think drug dealers like high prices? Does a farmer like high prices for corn?[/quote]
Wouldn’t me buying narcotics support the dealers and cartels not being against it?
[quote]RenegadeDragon wrote:
There definately seems to be alot of the sheep mentality amongst the "all cops are pigs crowd here.
I didn’t do a lot of research into this case because I know how much, or little of the information will actually be released. There are a lot of questions that need to be asked. Is this guy actually a drug dealer, does he ussually have more product and he just happened to move it? Does this guy have a criminal history? A violent history? A history of having weapons? The fact that he has a wife, kids and a foofy dog don’t change the status of those questions. [/quote]
What changes the status of those questions is the fact that nothing but personal use amounts were found on the property. Regardless of whatever intel they may have had, you do realize that this is not the first time cops have raided the house of people who were innocent of whatever charges they brought up to get the warrant.
I mean, unless you are for all Americans randomly being raided just in case someone may be smoking a joint somewhere, this just screams bad police work. Even the police chief understands this which is why he is stating that they held the warrant too long.
That brings many questions into play…like why raid this guy when his kid is home with guns blazing???
Sheep mentality would be excusing this based on the fact that they are cops. Sheep mentality is not questioning any laws or even bringing them to public attention so they can be voted on and simply falling in line.
The history of why marijuana is illegal to begin with is steeped in racist non-sense by a scared white majority…afraid that white women would smoke weed and listen to evil jazz music or maybe even something worse…like marry a Mexican guy.
Yes, the above is actually true. Fear is what started this…and fear seems to be what is keeping people in line.
I am glad to see you agree with these tactics. That says a lot.[/quote]
You act like regular people get their door broken down regulary and raided by police.[/quote]
Wait, that one wasn’t enough? Hell, that was just the first one that came to mind because it happened not too long ago. if 92 year old women can get shot at home by cops, you think everyone else is safe?
???
Really?
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I don’t know the history of why weed is illegal. I also have kids and in doing so I would not keep something in my house that increases the possiblity of something like this happening. I don’t care who you are as a parent if you have things like weed around your kids, you are not doing the “right” thing. Unless of course you want to teach your kids rules, laws, boundaries etc. are not important.
What says even more is the fact you ASSUME I agree with fear tactics on people because I don’t agree with the viewpoint people on this forum have about cops. [/quote]
What viewpoint is that? I have stated my view point clearly so who specifically are you speaking of and why are you grouping everyone who isn’t outright praising the police into the same category?
The debate in this thread is pathetic. This is also why no real discussion can ever take place. Most of you are just blurting out stereotypes and half truths from gateway drugs to somehow believing marijuana is causing more social damage than alcohol…which is insane.
[quote]Eli B wrote:
"…can onlyy be described as the biggest pussy in the world. Hippie, artist, chubby etc. I CANT REMEMBER WHY, maybe possession of a few grams of weed.‘’
…They beat him up for fun. Because he had some weed on him. Definitely no weapon or resisting arrest.
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re read your first statement. You cant remember why but now you know it was for fun? Come on man. Dont just throw arbitrary things from another completely unrelated incidence that doesnt even back up your original claim.
.greg.[/quote]
I know they beat him up. I know they didn’t have cause. My best guess is that it was fun for them. When I thought hard about it I seemed to recall it was for weed. You don’t have to believe me but I have been consistent. You don’t think cops arbitrarily beat people up? I mean you can think whatever you want but I can also think that you are naive.
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but how do you KNOW they didnt have cause? Were you standing there watching it? did you hear all of their conversation before it went down?
and I dont think cops just go around looking for people to beat up. In fact I know that’s not the case. There are exceptions to the rule as in any case but for the overwhelming majority of the time police dont put hands on people.
