as much as people dislike cops or think that weed isn’t a bad drug you cant argue the fact that if this house NEVER had ANY drugs in it what so ever this whole situation would have been avoided.
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[quote]Eli B wrote:
a guy that can only be described as the biggest pussy in the world. Hippie, artist, chubby etc. I can’t remember why, maybe possession of a few grams of weed.
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I resent that statement
so when you are an artist you are a pussy? you may want to re-look at what you wrote
Having the courage to try to earn a living by your doing own project is a thing I respect greatly
Or maybe he just did like art, unlike you and every of your bro? In that case you are a huge idiot.
Gregron and KAS -
you guys must like the way the Taliban and Nazis run things?
Pot and schizophrenia - what a bunch of bullshit reefer madness.
My parents left communist Yugoslavia for the USA but now the USA is going commie/military. Fuck.
[quote]jasmincar wrote:
[quote]Eli B wrote:
a guy that can only be described as the biggest pussy in the world. Hippie, artist, chubby etc. I can’t remember why, maybe possession of a few grams of weed.
[/quote]
I resent that statement
so when you are an artist you are a pussy? you may want to re-look at what you wrote
Having the courage to try to earn a living by your doing own project is a thing I respect greatly
Or maybe he just did like art, unlike you and every of your bro? In that case you are a huge idiot.
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yeah that statement didnt really make sense. “yeah cops beat up this guy who was a pussy but I cant remember why.” Well what if the reason was cause he assaulted the officer? Or cause he had a weapon or something? You cant use an example like that without knowing why the cops “beat up the pussy chubby hippie artist”
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[quote]saveski wrote:
Gregron and KAS -
you guys must like the way the Taliban and Nazis run things?[/quote]
how so? I’ve said, more than once, that the police could have handled things differently… BUT the fact still remains that drugs are illegal and they had drugs in the home. Do you not agree with that?
regardless on your stance of weed being ok or a gateway drug or whatever, at this point and time it IS illegal (maybe not for long but for now it is)
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Well, if you’re dumb enough to keep drugs in the same house that you and your kids live in, you deserve for shit like this to happen to you.
[quote]Xab wrote:
Well, if you’re dumb enough to keep drugs in the same house that you and your kids live in, you deserve for shit like this to happen to you. [/quote]
I wouldn’t say the deserve it cause thats a little harsh but if something like this does happen then they can only blame themselves for initially putting themselves and their family at risk.
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[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:
[quote]KAS wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
This action was way over the top. I am surprised (well, not really) that so many think this action is justified because they found some weed.
This is also why marijuana will meet much opposition when it comes to legalization…because look at how many people’s jobs depend on making sure that the stigma remains even though most scientific research is showing more benefit than harm from marijuana with some research actually pointing to possible cancer treatment.
We live in a country filled with sheep and leaders whose power relies on making sure those sheep never start asking questions.[/quote]
You’re being very selective in the research you choose to believe. Marijuanan has been shown (especially in teenagers) to trigger schizophrenia.
Everyone who breaks the law feels entitled to do so and will try and justify their actions.
For example, paedophiles think they should be allowed to have sex with children and that society has unfairly stigmatized their “lifestyle”. Many of them point to the homosexual community as an example of how these stigmas can be overcome and hope to follow a similar path.
Everyone who speeds thinks they are amaizing drivers that couldn’t possibly crash.
You’re doing the same thing. Because you like to smoke weed, you’ll do whatever you can to justify your behaviour.[/quote]
Regardless of what side of the marijuana argument you’re on, these examples are just absurd.
DB[/quote]
How so? You’re dong the EXACT same thing. Not on the same scale as a paedophile, but the thought process is the same.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Xab wrote:
Well, if you’re dumb enough to keep drugs in the same house that you and your kids live in, you deserve for shit like this to happen to you. [/quote]
I wouldn’t say the deserve it cause thats a little harsh but if something like this does happen then they can only blame themselves for initially putting themselves and their family at risk.
.greg.[/quote]
I don’t think he means that the kids deserve it, they have no choice. The parents should be charged because they willing to risk this kind of thing so they can smoke seed. Someones got there priorities straight.
[quote]KAS wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Xab wrote:
Well, if you’re dumb enough to keep drugs in the same house that you and your kids live in, you deserve for shit like this to happen to you. [/quote]
I wouldn’t say the deserve it cause thats a little harsh but if something like this does happen then they can only blame themselves for initially putting themselves and their family at risk.
.greg.[/quote]
I don’t think he means that the kids deserve it, they have no choice. The parents should be charged because they willing to risk this kind of thing so they can smoke seed. Someones got there priorities straight.[/quote]
Right. If you knowingly invite that crap into your house, you also accept the consequences. The kids are innocent bystanders what will probably suffer some from the whole event, which I think is nothing short of tragic. But as for their parents? Well, I guess if they really cared about their kids, they wouldn’t toke up in the family home, and none of that would have happened.
Lol…Between Kas and Xab, I’m torn between which one is a bigger, self-righteous asshole.
[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]RenegadeDragon wrote:
Did you actually read the article you posted Chicken?
"Virginia police will also be enforcing the state’s new “Move Over” law, which requires drivers to change lanes or slow down when passing emergency personnel stopped on the road. People caught violating the law can face fines as high as $2,500 and face up to 12 months in jail. "
- No one will get a full 12 months for this.
- If you can’t slow down or get out of the way of emergency personnell you should have your license permanently revoked and fined.
The wrong lane gets you a $90-$1000 fine depending on which state side you are on. Either way it has a lot more to do with your lawmakers then your law enforcers…[/quote]
The local media have lumped the two together. Be that as it may, I will re-state: $1000 fine for driving in the wrong lane? WHAT. THE. FUCK?
And I’m glad you think that a cop’s “judgment call” (what constitutes getting out of the way in time?) can land someone in Jail for a year. The real world isn’t black and white like that. You’re talking to someone who has been pulled over and beaten by PG county cops (no fine, no ticket, just beaten) on FOUR occasions in the last ten years, so you are not going to convince me that I shouldn’t have a problem with law enforcement.
If you think I’m full of shit, just google “PG county cops” and tell me what you see. I had a few pages of discussion on this last year, so I’m not interested in continuing the discussion again. And I’m not saying that ALL cops are bad - my cousin is a Baltimore City cop. I do think that they have WAY too much power and consistently abuse it with very few repercussions.
And when they do something like this, NOTHING HAPPENS! “oops, sorry we shot your dog”
How about the guy that reached for his wallet a few years ago? “oops, sorry we shot you”
How about the thousands of incidents that DON’T go reported because people are afraid and intimidated by continuous harassment?
And you don’t see this as a problem? Is it “statistically acceptable”?
It’s BULLSHIT. We didn’t elect these people. We didn’t vote on these policies. Yet we have to suffer for them. But I should shut up and just pretend it doesn’t exist?
Look at what happened at the John Kerry rally a few years ago with the “don’t tase me bro” (look it up on YouTube). These fucking morons HAVE no judgment. Yet they carry deadly force.
Do you think it’s all just fine the way it is?
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Unfortunately the “Move Over” law is a very needed one nowadays. I guess it’s something they forgot to teach people in drivers ed or they removed it from the manual to pass the test.
When I’m in a fire truck or medic unit (ambulance), lights on, siren screaming it means move the fuck over. Not ignore me and make me pass you on the right.[/quote]
As this guy said, the “Move Over” law is more for fire trucks and emergency medical personnell. Either way, if my wife or kids just got in an accident and someone couldn’t get to them in time to save them because you are too worried about getting out of the way too fast because you want to show “the man” how much you despise authority, you deserve a lot more then a $1,000 fine, or up to 12 months in jail.
Fucking Disgusting. Jesus Christ, and to make matters worse, the guy is probably going to lose the case and not be able to sue. All I have to say is if someone ever touches my shih tzu, I would go absolutely berserk. I’m amazed at how the guy did not freak out on a cop, I honestly think I would have went for a weapon and tried to take out as many as I could.
I wonder how many people in this topic actually do their own research vs just spewing out biased propaganda (whether they realize it or not) because that’s the popular/common opinion.
EDIT- Nah on second thought I don’t really care. I just wanted to post the vid because it is now the official song of the thread.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
This action was way over the top. I am surprised (well, not really) that so many think this action is justified because they found some weed.
This is also why marijuana will meet much opposition when it comes to legalization…because look at how many people’s jobs depend on making sure that the stigma remains even though most scientific research is showing more benefit than harm from marijuana with some research actually pointing to possible cancer treatment.
We live in a country filled with sheep and leaders whose power relies on making sure those sheep never start asking questions.[/quote]
It seems if this keeps happening. one day possibly, that a brutal and merciless insurgency. could be launched against these leaders and the sheep that follow them. mark my words, one day the police will try to do this. to people who are ready to defend themselves. the streets will run red with the blood of tyrants and patriots.
[quote]Xab wrote:
Well, if you’re dumb enough to keep drugs in the same house that you and your kids live in, you deserve for shit like this to happen to you. [/quote]
It was fucking Weed… toking up once in awhile does not make you a felon or a horrible parent. An older relative of mine takes a 2 week long vacation to Amsterdam with his family every year, and I would bet everything I owned if it were possible that he makes more money annually than you, as well as being educated to a higher degree and have much better adjusted kids. And yes… he tokes up in his house.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]RenegadeDragon wrote:
There definately seems to be alot of the sheep mentality amongst the "all cops are pigs crowd here.
I didn’t do a lot of research into this case because I know how much, or little of the information will actually be released. There are a lot of questions that need to be asked. Is this guy actually a drug dealer, does he ussually have more product and he just happened to move it? Does this guy have a criminal history? A violent history? A history of having weapons? The fact that he has a wife, kids and a foofy dog don’t change the status of those questions. [/quote]
What changes the status of those questions is the fact that nothing but personal use amounts were found on the property. Regardless of whatever intel they may have had, you do realize that this is not the first time cops have raided the house of people who were innocent of whatever charges they brought up to get the warrant.
I mean, unless you are for all Americans randomly being raided just in case someone may be smoking a joint somewhere, this just screams bad police work. Even the police chief understands this which is why he is stating that they held the warrant too long.
That brings many questions into play…like why raid this guy when his kid is home with guns blazing???
Sheep mentality would be excusing this based on the fact that they are cops. Sheep mentality is not questioning any laws or even bringing them to public attention so they can be voted on and simply falling in line.
The history of why marijuana is illegal to begin with is steeped in racist non-sense by a scared white majority…afraid that white women would smoke weed and listen to evil jazz music or maybe even something worse…like marry a Mexican guy.
Yes, the above is actually true. Fear is what started this…and fear seems to be what is keeping people in line.
I am glad to see you agree with these tactics. That says a lot.[/quote]
You act like regular people get their door broken down regulary and raided by police. I understand what likely happened was someone got some information which was passed onto a supervisor. The supervisor made the call to go into the house, he tells his team there are drugs and officers are trained for their safety to be prepared for the worst. Like I said previously, we also have no clue what history this guy has. It’s not sheep mentality for people to realize it may have been a mistake, or it could have been bad information. And it’s borderline paranoid to act like this is a common occurence and regular law abiding citizens need to start worrying about cops breaking into their house and shooting their dogs.
I don’t know the history of why weed is illegal. I also have kids and in doing so I would not keep something in my house that increases the possiblity of something like this happening. I don’t care who you are as a parent if you have things like weed around your kids, you are not doing the “right” thing. Unless of course you want to teach your kids rules, laws, boundaries etc. are not important.
What says even more is the fact you ASSUME I agree with fear tactics on people because I don’t agree with the viewpoint people on this forum have about cops.
[quote]KAS wrote:
[quote]theuofh wrote:
Unsurprisingly, reason had a thing on it: Video of SWAT Raid on Missouri Family
The parents were charged w/ child endangering. [/quote]
Good. They know the potential consequences and yet they keep contraban around their kids. That’s just plain selfish.[/quote]
You get busted for personal use pot you generally aren’t going to be charged with child endangerment. It was a retarded face saving move to bring those charges.
Please explain to me how the child was in danger from mom and/or dad smoking pot to relax. No different than having beer or wine.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]jasmincar wrote:
[quote]Eli B wrote:
a guy that can only be described as the biggest pussy in the world. Hippie, artist, chubby etc. I can’t remember why, maybe possession of a few grams of weed.
[/quote]
I resent that statement
so when you are an artist you are a pussy? you may want to re-look at what you wrote
Having the courage to try to earn a living by your doing own project is a thing I respect greatly
Or maybe he just did like art, unlike you and every of your bro? In that case you are a huge idiot.
[/quote]
yeah that statement didnt really make sense. “yeah cops beat up this guy who was a pussy but I cant remember why.” Well what if the reason was cause he assaulted the officer? Or cause he had a weapon or something? You cant use an example like that without knowing why the cops “beat up the pussy chubby hippie artist”
.greg.[/quote]
They beat him up for fun. Because he had some weed on him. Definitely no weapon or resisting arrest.
[quote]KAS wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]cryptik wrote:
[quote]ruglayer09052000 wrote:
Speculating seems to be the ‘word of the day’. Since we weren’t there, we can only ‘speculate’ what happened. Of course, that makes for much better news than really searching for the truth. I follow the law. If that makes me a sheep, so be it. If I don’t agree with the law, I still follow it. That is what a responsible, productive member of society does. If I feel like doing the work, I try to change it.
There is a saying…‘Walk a mile in their shoes…’. I may not always agree with law enforcement, or the way they sometimes go about it, but I have the utmost respect for them and what they do. It has to be, in general, the most thankless job there is. Name calling is the bastion of the weak-minded and uneducated.
Sorry if the libs here don’t like this comment, and they won’t, either. And, for those of you who say ‘It’s just weed, dude.’ Do some actual investigation into that comment. More times than not, especially in today’s world, it is a gateway to other, more harmful substances.[/quote]
This gateway bullshit has got to stop. It is utter bullshit. I think you need to do some actual investigation into it. Oh wait you prolly heard that from the brainwashing cops and government.
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I have to agree…because if that were the case, ALCOHOL would also be a “gateway drug”…yet I don’t see anyone protesting it on those grounds.
Using pseudo-scientific unsubstantiated speculation to justify a political stance makes little sense…but then, that is pretty much all that sheep can fight back with.[/quote]
I have been heavily involved with youth rehabilitation for about 5 years. You should take the time and actually talk to some of these kids. All of the junkies started with a bit of weed and then moved onto heavier stuff.
Yes, alcohol is also a major problem. So why are you so hell bent on adding another legal drug?
Alcohol rehab costs are high enough and resoures are scarce. So lets see if we can stretch them even further.[/quote]
I started with weed and didn’t become a junkie. Most people who smoke weed aren’t going to become junkies. It comes down to environment and genetic predisposition to addiction.