Marijuana Raid Leads To Cops Shooting The Family's Dogs

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]RenegadeDragon wrote:
There definately seems to be alot of the sheep mentality amongst the "all cops are pigs crowd here.

I didn’t do a lot of research into this case because I know how much, or little of the information will actually be released. There are a lot of questions that need to be asked. Is this guy actually a drug dealer, does he ussually have more product and he just happened to move it? Does this guy have a criminal history? A violent history? A history of having weapons? The fact that he has a wife, kids and a foofy dog don’t change the status of those questions. [/quote]

What changes the status of those questions is the fact that nothing but personal use amounts were found on the property. Regardless of whatever intel they may have had, you do realize that this is not the first time cops have raided the house of people who were innocent of whatever charges they brought up to get the warrant.

I mean, unless you are for all Americans randomly being raided just in case someone may be smoking a joint somewhere, this just screams bad police work. Even the police chief understands this which is why he is stating that they held the warrant too long.

That brings many questions into play…like why raid this guy when his kid is home with guns blazing???

Sheep mentality would be excusing this based on the fact that they are cops. Sheep mentality is not questioning any laws or even bringing them to public attention so they can be voted on and simply falling in line.

The history of why marijuana is illegal to begin with is steeped in racist non-sense by a scared white majority…afraid that white women would smoke weed and listen to evil jazz music or maybe even something worse…like marry a Mexican guy.

Yes, the above is actually true. Fear is what started this…and fear seems to be what is keeping people in line.

I am glad to see you agree with these tactics. That says a lot.[/quote]
the reason they do it with kids home is so they can rack up more charges. This is common tactics. They want to get you in the system so they can justify their existence. I think if this guys was so hardcore of a drug dealer that there would be something just something more than a pipe and a little weed.

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[quote]coolp3ople wrote:

[quote]Eli B wrote:

[quote]coolp3ople wrote:
Weed is a gateway drug at the moment and socially addictive , maybe when its legalized it wont lead to other drugs but anything that numbs a persons inhibition to the point that they hang out with shitheads and use what they are using… is a gateway drug. I know this from personal experience and the experience of many many people around me, who should have stayed away from it to begin with.

But what happened in this video should never have happened, the cops are in the wrong . One of them should have screamed, f- yo dogs **** f-yo couch, celebration, uniiiity, darkness, black magic, mother %%^^^**(

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Fuck off troll.[/quote]

sorry did you not like what you read? :frowning: poor baby
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Exactly. I read some of your other posts. Maybe there is a language barrier but everything you write is either retarded or off topic. Have you stopped getting hernias pop out of your asshole since you cut chunky peanut butter out of your diet?

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[quote]RenegadeDragon wrote:
Did you actually read the article you posted Chicken?

"Virginia police will also be enforcing the state’s new “Move Over” law, which requires drivers to change lanes or slow down when passing emergency personnel stopped on the road. People caught violating the law can face fines as high as $2,500 and face up to 12 months in jail. "

  1. No one will get a full 12 months for this.
  2. If you can’t slow down or get out of the way of emergency personnell you should have your license permanently revoked and fined.

The wrong lane gets you a $90-$1000 fine depending on which state side you are on. Either way it has a lot more to do with your lawmakers then your law enforcers…[/quote]

The local media have lumped the two together. Be that as it may, I will re-state: $1000 fine for driving in the wrong lane? WHAT. THE. FUCK?

And I’m glad you think that a cop’s “judgment call” (what constitutes getting out of the way in time?) can land someone in Jail for a year. The real world isn’t black and white like that. You’re talking to someone who has been pulled over and beaten by PG county cops (no fine, no ticket, just beaten) on FOUR occasions in the last ten years, so you are not going to convince me that I shouldn’t have a problem with law enforcement.

If you think I’m full of shit, just google “PG county cops” and tell me what you see. I had a few pages of discussion on this last year, so I’m not interested in continuing the discussion again. And I’m not saying that ALL cops are bad - my cousin is a Baltimore City cop. I do think that they have WAY too much power and consistently abuse it with very few repercussions.

And when they do something like this, NOTHING HAPPENS! “oops, sorry we shot your dog”

How about the guy that reached for his wallet a few years ago? “oops, sorry we shot you”

How about the thousands of incidents that DON’T go reported because people are afraid and intimidated by continuous harassment?

And you don’t see this as a problem? Is it “statistically acceptable”?

It’s BULLSHIT. We didn’t elect these people. We didn’t vote on these policies. Yet we have to suffer for them. But I should shut up and just pretend it doesn’t exist?

Look at what happened at the John Kerry rally a few years ago with the “don’t tase me bro” (look it up on YouTube). These fucking morons HAVE no judgment. Yet they carry deadly force.

Do you think it’s all just fine the way it is?

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[quote]Mettahl wrote:

[quote]KAS wrote:

[quote]EurekaBulldogLaw wrote:
Just another example of authority in this country asserting that it can fuck with you whenever and however it wants.[/quote]

I don’t think any of this would have happened if he didn’t have weed in his house. He knows it’s illegal and puts his family at risk by keeping weed in the family home. He is obviously not very smart. Police can’t just kick in your door, they would have to have some reliable intel.

BTW this is not about whether weed should be legalized. As the law stands now I don’t see anything wrong with what happened.
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You’re obviously insane. Next time you speed I’m going to let the police know so they can break into your house and scream obscenities at your son.[/quote]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA…go ahead. Not going to happen!

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[quote]theuofh wrote:
Unsurprisingly, reason had a thing on it: Video of SWAT Raid on Missouri Family

The parents were charged w/ child endangering. [/quote]

Good. They know the potential consequences and yet they keep contraban around their kids. That’s just plain selfish.

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[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:

[quote]Mettahl wrote:
From the Reason article:

So smoking pot = ‘child endangerment.’ Storming a home with guns, then firing bullets into the family pets as a child looks on = necessary police procedures to ensure everyone’s safety."[/quote]
It’s the law so it must be right! How DARE you question the LAW?[/quote]

Question the law all you like. But don’t bitch and moan about the consequences.

Start a protest with the rest of the hippies.

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[quote]KAS wrote:

[quote]theuofh wrote:
Unsurprisingly, reason had a thing on it: Video of SWAT Raid on Missouri Family

The parents were charged w/ child endangering. [/quote]

Good. They know the potential consequences and yet they keep contraban around their kids. That’s just plain selfish.[/quote]

Whew, I know right. Score one for the good guys.

Now let’s just hope they only drink alcohol because I think every one would agree that that’s one legal drug that’s never ruined a home.

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]RenegadeDragon wrote:
Did you actually read the article you posted Chicken?

"Virginia police will also be enforcing the state’s new “Move Over” law, which requires drivers to change lanes or slow down when passing emergency personnel stopped on the road. People caught violating the law can face fines as high as $2,500 and face up to 12 months in jail. "

  1. No one will get a full 12 months for this.
  2. If you can’t slow down or get out of the way of emergency personnell you should have your license permanently revoked and fined.

The wrong lane gets you a $90-$1000 fine depending on which state side you are on. Either way it has a lot more to do with your lawmakers then your law enforcers…[/quote]

The local media have lumped the two together. Be that as it may, I will re-state: $1000 fine for driving in the wrong lane? WHAT. THE. FUCK?

And I’m glad you think that a cop’s “judgment call” (what constitutes getting out of the way in time?) can land someone in Jail for a year. The real world isn’t black and white like that. You’re talking to someone who has been pulled over and beaten by PG county cops (no fine, no ticket, just beaten) on FOUR occasions in the last ten years, so you are not going to convince me that I shouldn’t have a problem with law enforcement.

If you think I’m full of shit, just google “PG county cops” and tell me what you see. I had a few pages of discussion on this last year, so I’m not interested in continuing the discussion again. And I’m not saying that ALL cops are bad - my cousin is a Baltimore City cop. I do think that they have WAY too much power and consistently abuse it with very few repercussions.

And when they do something like this, NOTHING HAPPENS! “oops, sorry we shot your dog”

How about the guy that reached for his wallet a few years ago? “oops, sorry we shot you”

How about the thousands of incidents that DON’T go reported because people are afraid and intimidated by continuous harassment?

And you don’t see this as a problem? Is it “statistically acceptable”?

It’s BULLSHIT. We didn’t elect these people. We didn’t vote on these policies. Yet we have to suffer for them. But I should shut up and just pretend it doesn’t exist?

Look at what happened at the John Kerry rally a few years ago with the “don’t tase me bro” (look it up on YouTube). These fucking morons HAVE no judgment. Yet they carry deadly force.

Do you think it’s all just fine the way it is?

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Unfortunately the “Move Over” law is a very needed one nowadays. I guess it’s something they forgot to teach people in drivers ed or they removed it from the manual to pass the test.

When I’m in a fire truck or medic unit (ambulance), lights on, siren screaming it means move the fuck over. Not ignore me and make me pass you on the right.

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[quote]cryptik wrote:

[quote]coolp3ople wrote:
Weed is a gateway drug at the moment and socially addictive , maybe when its legalized it wont lead to other drugs but anything that numbs a persons inhibition to the point that they hang out with shitheads and use what they are using… is a gateway drug. I know this from personal experience and the experience of many many people around me, who should have stayed away from it to begin with.

But what happened in this video should never have happened, the cops are in the wrong . One of them should have screamed, f- yo dogs **** f-yo couch, celebration, uniiiity, darkness, black magic, mother %%^^^**(

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I love these fucking morons. MOO MOO… fucking cattle [/quote]

would you like a cookie? :stuck_out_tongue:
i love you too baby , oh i love the cattle comments, just call me your dirty cattle, moommooo oh baby talk dirty .

its truly satisfying… replying to a stupid post, with an equally stupid post.

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[quote]Eli B wrote:

[quote]coolp3ople wrote:

[quote]Eli B wrote:

[quote]coolp3ople wrote:
Weed is a gateway drug at the moment and socially addictive , maybe when its legalized it wont lead to other drugs but anything that numbs a persons inhibition to the point that they hang out with shitheads and use what they are using… is a gateway drug. I know this from personal experience and the experience of many many people around me, who should have stayed away from it to begin with.

But what happened in this video should never have happened, the cops are in the wrong . One of them should have screamed, f- yo dogs **** f-yo couch, celebration, uniiiity, darkness, black magic, mother %%^^^**(

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Fuck off troll.[/quote]

sorry did you not like what you read? :frowning: poor baby
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Exactly. I read some of your other posts. Maybe there is a language barrier but everything you write is either retarded or off topic. Have you stopped getting hernias pop out of your asshole since you cut chunky peanut butter out of your diet?
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yes i did , the hernias were brutal…my boyfriend Sven vas so devastated :wink:

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[quote]KAS wrote:

[quote]theuofh wrote:
Unsurprisingly, reason had a thing on it: Video of SWAT Raid on Missouri Family

The parents were charged w/ child endangering. [/quote]

Good. They know the potential consequences and yet they keep contraban around their kids. That’s just plain selfish.[/quote]

Excuse me? Selfish or not how is that fair in any way? really if you think that is fair then some people are just really fucked up.

So these “bright trained officers” though they were going to bust a big time drug dealer. Fair point.

They raid his house: Oh wait there’s dogs so lets shoot them because you know we have to get to the huge amounts of weed this guy has. Don’t forget to shoot the one in the cage too, yea you know the one that can’t do anything but bark. Okay now that we finally got rid of these ferocious canines lets go for the big shot just make sure you calm down the little kid first. Dammit we only found a couple grams of pot so you know what?!?! I have an idea!! lets charge him with child endangering!! after all we were the ones with the guns who started shooting dogs and endangering the life of the child in the first place.

If that seems fair to you then all I can say is “WOW”.

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People need to realize that a town of 2,000 people with maybe 1 violent crime every three years doesn’t need a swat team in the first place.

You end up with weekend warriors not equipped psychologically, physically, or mentally to handle that kind of responsibility. They don’t train enough for it or have enough experience in those kind of situations to exercise proper judgement.

So you end up with individuals who are used to writing speeding tickets and harassing teenagers on Friday night, now heavily armed and thrown into a very tense, sensitive situations and expect nothing bad to happen.

Innocent people get shot, cops get shot because they bust in on a no knock warrant on a guy who thinks he is getting robbed, or the cops end up shooting each other. They don’t put this shit on the news but it happens every day.

There is a valid need for police, swat units, sniper units, and paid informants/snitches, and I respect what they do, the risks they take not only for themselves, but for their families and loved ones too.

But, the number of examples just like this one shows there is a problem with the way things are that needs to be addressed.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
This action was way over the top. I am surprised (well, not really) that so many think this action is justified because they found some weed.

This is also why marijuana will meet much opposition when it comes to legalization…because look at how many people’s jobs depend on making sure that the stigma remains even though most scientific research is showing more benefit than harm from marijuana with some research actually pointing to possible cancer treatment.

We live in a country filled with sheep and leaders whose power relies on making sure those sheep never start asking questions.[/quote]

You’re being very selective in the research you choose to believe. Marijuanan has been shown (especially in teenagers) to trigger schizophrenia.

Everyone who breaks the law feels entitled to do so and will try and justify their actions.

For example, paedophiles think they should be allowed to have sex with children and that society has unfairly stigmatized their “lifestyle”. Many of them point to the homosexual community as an example of how these stigmas can be overcome and hope to follow a similar path.

Everyone who speeds thinks they are amaizing drivers that couldn’t possibly crash.

You’re doing the same thing. Because you like to smoke weed, you’ll do whatever you can to justify your behaviour.

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[quote]KAS wrote:

[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:

[quote]Mettahl wrote:
From the Reason article:

So smoking pot = ‘child endangerment.’ Storming a home with guns, then firing bullets into the family pets as a child looks on = necessary police procedures to ensure everyone’s safety."[/quote]
It’s the law so it must be right! How DARE you question the LAW?[/quote]

Question the law all you like. But don’t bitch and moan about the consequences.

Start a protest with the rest of the hippies.[/quote]
Who’s a hippie?

I’ll tell you what thought. I’m not a sheep who agrees with everything the government imposes.

Who are you anyways? you don’t even know me.

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[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]MangoMan305 wrote:
Don’t have illegal drugs in your home. I know I sure don’t.[/quote]

That’s the message you took home from this story? Have you ever went over the speed limit in your life? I bet you have even though you know you’re breaking the law. But you’re OK with it because you are willing to take that risk because you’re also willing to take the punishment that comes with getting caught. A speeding ticket and maybe points on your license.

I have had small amounts of marijuana in my apartment when I was younger. Enough for a couple joints. I know it’s illegal but I’m willing to accept the punishment of a $1000 fine and possible 6 months loss of my driver’s license. Just like you with your speeding, I make my decision based on the punishment if I get caught. I do NOT expect cops to bust in my house and starting firing shots at a caged house-pet then trying to take my family away. Over a fuckin misdemeanor amount of marijuana. Incredible.[/quote]

You don’t get to choose the consequences of breaking the law. You may think you’re only going to get a fine, but thats not up to you. The cops don’t know how much weed you have in your house and may well kick your door in.

If you don’t want to risk the consequences don’t break the law.

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[quote]KAS wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
This action was way over the top. I am surprised (well, not really) that so many think this action is justified because they found some weed.

This is also why marijuana will meet much opposition when it comes to legalization…because look at how many people’s jobs depend on making sure that the stigma remains even though most scientific research is showing more benefit than harm from marijuana with some research actually pointing to possible cancer treatment.

We live in a country filled with sheep and leaders whose power relies on making sure those sheep never start asking questions.[/quote]

You’re being very selective in the research you choose to believe. Marijuanan has been shown (especially in teenagers) to trigger schizophrenia.

Everyone who breaks the law feels entitled to do so and will try and justify their actions.

For example, paedophiles think they should be allowed to have sex with children and that society has unfairly stigmatized their “lifestyle”. Many of them point to the homosexual community as an example of how these stigmas can be overcome and hope to follow a similar path.

Everyone who speeds thinks they are amaizing drivers that couldn’t possibly crash.

You’re doing the same thing. Because you like to smoke weed, you’ll do whatever you can to justify your behaviour.[/quote]

This. , i will take being anxious and not “chillin out with the broskies” over the even smallest chance of becoming schizophrenic.

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[quote]Mettahl wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
it was shot in the paw accidentally the article said… I wouldnt want to be bit by that dog would you?

.greg.[/quote]

Just like the kid could have been. That’s not endangering the child though. Children can be corrupted and ruined by drug paraphernalia but dammit they are bullet-proof. There’s no way that you can say that the home owner is more at fault here than the police department is.[/quote]

how do you figure? Without the home owner having drugs in the house the police would never have been there and there would never have been shots fired.

.greg.

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[quote]KAS wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
This action was way over the top. I am surprised (well, not really) that so many think this action is justified because they found some weed.

This is also why marijuana will meet much opposition when it comes to legalization…because look at how many people’s jobs depend on making sure that the stigma remains even though most scientific research is showing more benefit than harm from marijuana with some research actually pointing to possible cancer treatment.

We live in a country filled with sheep and leaders whose power relies on making sure those sheep never start asking questions.[/quote]

You’re being very selective in the research you choose to believe. Marijuanan has been shown (especially in teenagers) to trigger schizophrenia.

Everyone who breaks the law feels entitled to do so and will try and justify their actions.

For example, paedophiles think they should be allowed to have sex with children and that society has unfairly stigmatized their “lifestyle”. Many of them point to the homosexual community as an example of how these stigmas can be overcome and hope to follow a similar path.

Everyone who speeds thinks they are amaizing drivers that couldn’t possibly crash.

You’re doing the same thing. Because you like to smoke weed, you’ll do whatever you can to justify your behaviour.[/quote]

Regardless of what side of the marijuana argument you’re on, these examples are just absurd.

DB

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[quote]Eli B wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

No, I got it, but my edit came to late :-([/quote]

It’s alright. You could probably tell from my other posts where I stand on the matter anyhow. I’m against cops busting down doors and firing rounds into a taxpayers home and shooting their family pets over a couple joints of marijuana. [/quote]

What I do not get is that people sctually stand for this.

This is definitely not normal for most European countries.

Yes, it is illegal, but nobody gives a shit if you smoke weed or not.

This is not about the drug itself, this raids are about defying the state.

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so because “no one gives a shit if you smoke weed” that makes it ok? (someone somewhere obvisouly gives a shit cause its illegal and they raided the house be cause of it)

how is this not about the drug itself? They did a house raid on a house that was known to have drugs in it and at the time of the raid only happened to have trace amounts of marijuana?

Again I’m not saying what the police did in this instance was the 100% correct way to handle things but without the presence of drugs (albeit weed) this situation wouldn’t have happened.

.greg.
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So if police know you have a gram of weed they can dial up the swat team guns blazing? Thats insane.

There were other ways they could have gone about this.[/quote]

there were other ways I agree but the fact still remains that if there were never any drugs in the house this would never have happened. The police didnt handle it the best way (like ive said before) but without drugs in the house it wouldnt have happened.

a swat team cant just come in blazing without a search warrant and they would need a lot more evidence than knowing you have a gram of weed on you to get a search warrant. No judge would grant a search warrant for a single gram of marijuana.

.greg.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]cryptik wrote:

[quote]ruglayer09052000 wrote:
Speculating seems to be the ‘word of the day’. Since we weren’t there, we can only ‘speculate’ what happened. Of course, that makes for much better news than really searching for the truth. I follow the law. If that makes me a sheep, so be it. If I don’t agree with the law, I still follow it. That is what a responsible, productive member of society does. If I feel like doing the work, I try to change it.

There is a saying…‘Walk a mile in their shoes…’. I may not always agree with law enforcement, or the way they sometimes go about it, but I have the utmost respect for them and what they do. It has to be, in general, the most thankless job there is. Name calling is the bastion of the weak-minded and uneducated.

Sorry if the libs here don’t like this comment, and they won’t, either. And, for those of you who say ‘It’s just weed, dude.’ Do some actual investigation into that comment. More times than not, especially in today’s world, it is a gateway to other, more harmful substances.[/quote]

This gateway bullshit has got to stop. It is utter bullshit. I think you need to do some actual investigation into it. Oh wait you prolly heard that from the brainwashing cops and government.
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I have to agree…because if that were the case, ALCOHOL would also be a “gateway drug”…yet I don’t see anyone protesting it on those grounds.

Using pseudo-scientific unsubstantiated speculation to justify a political stance makes little sense…but then, that is pretty much all that sheep can fight back with.[/quote]

I have been heavily involved with youth rehabilitation for about 5 years. You should take the time and actually talk to some of these kids. All of the junkies started with a bit of weed and then moved onto heavier stuff.

Yes, alcohol is also a major problem. So why are you so hell bent on adding another legal drug?

Alcohol rehab costs are high enough and resoures are scarce. So lets see if we can stretch them even further.