Marijuana Raid Leads To Cops Shooting The Family's Dogs

[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]theuofh wrote:

[quote]KAS wrote:
As the law stands now I don’t see anything wrong with what happened.
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Let’s not forget that its because of the law that dope is worth more by weight than gold, leading to creating people willing to do all sorts of nasty, violent things to get paid.

Of course, the cops then can arrest some of these people and take their dope money to buy new guns/bullet proof vests/riot get/police cars, give themselves some new benefits and a higher pay, and hire some new guys. They can even use it to buy new radar guns and put cameras on every street light and street corner.

Forget that its marijuana in the first place, which has been shown to be less harmful than any other drugs, especially the legal ones, and has some beneficial medicinal properties. Big pharma can’t patent a plant, so they keep it illegal and try to synthesize the active chemicals, then charge people even more for it, when people could grow it in their backyards for free. It would probably give them a much needed hobby, too, and replace half the pharmaceuticals drugs they and us taxpayers are paying for.

All the while, people are in jail, dogs are getting shot, and old retirees who have paid their debt to society are getting their doors kicked in, over something as stupid as a little marijuana.

Also, there are two kinds of drug dealers: those that need a forklift and those that don’t. Maybe we should save the goon squads and firepower for the guys moving massive amounts of weight and not the guys who smoke a little weed to chill out and their housepets.

But its the law, so its alright that this kind of stuff is happening and we should just accept it and move on with our lives. Maybe we should turn on the TV and watch some sitcom or mind numbing reality show instead.

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Great post.
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No, for an American that was tragic post.

The whole idea that “the law is the law” is as un Americanm and servile as you can get.

You have a long and proud tradition of rebellions, secessions and jury nullifications and the idea that it is somehow justified to kick down a door and storm in with a swat team because of a few grams of weed just shows how far down the rabbit hole some of you guys really are.

I am pretty that if something like this happened in Austria those cops would at least stand in front of disciplinary commission if not before a court and THAT IS IF SOMEONE WAS STUPID ENOPUGH TO RAID A HOUSE BECAUSE OF AN OUNCE OF WEED which nobody is.

He on the other hand would not even have to pay a fine for the little weed that he has. [/quote]

Maybe you missed it but the uofh’s post was sarcasm and sam_sneed was seconding the sentiment.[/quote]

No, I got it, but my edit came to late :frowning:

[quote]orion wrote:

No, I got it, but my edit came to late :-([/quote]

It’s alright. You could probably tell from my other posts where I stand on the matter anyhow. I’m against cops busting down doors and firing rounds into a taxpayers home and shooting their family pets over a couple joints of marijuana.

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

No, I got it, but my edit came to late :-([/quote]

It’s alright. You could probably tell from my other posts where I stand on the matter anyhow. I’m against cops busting down doors and firing rounds into a taxpayers home and shooting their family pets over a couple joints of marijuana. [/quote]

What I do not get is that people sctually stand for this.

This is definitely not normal for most European countries.

Yes, it is illegal, but nobody gives a shit if you smoke weed or not.

This is not about the drug itself, this raids are about defying the state.

[quote]espenl wrote:

[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:
Not really. Almost everyone in this so called “democracy” is an “inmante”. Look around you. There is not much freedom at all. Do you think that the majority of Americans spending more money than they make while getting in huge amounts of debt happens by coincidence?[/quote]

Yeah yeeeeaaah! Its just like North Korea!! Fucking police state, cops shooting at ya for nothing, you can’t turn your light on at night, no freedom whatsoever!

:p[/quote]

I didn’t say there was no freedom BUT the US prides it self in being all about freedom “the land of the free” does it ring any bells? Democracy in this country is just a sneaky way of ruling people just like any other type of government and that’s okay. It’s just a bit annoying when people think the U.S. is oh so free because it’s residents and citizens can choose religion and have opposite opinions about the government.

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

No, I got it, but my edit came to late :-([/quote]

It’s alright. You could probably tell from my other posts where I stand on the matter anyhow. I’m against cops busting down doors and firing rounds into a taxpayers home and shooting their family pets over a couple joints of marijuana. [/quote]

What I do not get is that people sctually stand for this.

This is definitely not normal for most European countries.

Yes, it is illegal, but nobody gives a shit if you smoke weed or not.

This is not about the drug itself, this raids are about defying the state.

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so because “no one gives a shit if you smoke weed” that makes it ok? (someone somewhere obvisouly gives a shit cause its illegal and they raided the house be cause of it)

how is this not about the drug itself? They did a house raid on a house that was known to have drugs in it and at the time of the raid only happened to have trace amounts of marijuana?

Again I’m not saying what the police did in this instance was the 100% correct way to handle things but without the presence of drugs (albeit weed) this situation wouldn’t have happened.

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[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:

[quote]espenl wrote:

[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:
Not really. Almost everyone in this so called “democracy” is an “inmante”. Look around you. There is not much freedom at all. Do you think that the majority of Americans spending more money than they make while getting in huge amounts of debt happens by coincidence?[/quote]

Yeah yeeeeaaah! Its just like North Korea!! Fucking police state, cops shooting at ya for nothing, you can’t turn your light on at night, no freedom whatsoever!

:p[/quote]

I didn’t say there was no freedom BUT the US prides it self in being all about freedom “the land of the free” does it ring any bells? Democracy in this country is just a sneaky way of ruling people just like any other type of government and that’s okay. It’s just a bit annoying when people think the U.S. is oh so free because it’s residents and citizens can choose religion and have opposite opinions about the government. [/quote]

thats a hell of a lot more free than a lot of countries i’ve been to.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

Libs?

Yes, there are sheep here.[/quote]

But, clearly there are sheep on both sides of the fence.

It seems like a full investigation of the events are in order, but some of the people on here have really played out a whole scenario of what went down based on hearsay and have turned this into an “all-cops-are-horrible-people” and “We’re all just pawns of the Man” conspiracy situation.

While I’m not condoning the police action here, I take the stance that there has to be more to the background of the individual that led to the raid. This is not a case where they stormed #16 when the warrant was for #19 but the 6 had fallen over. The fact that there was little pot in the house doesn’t mean that there was no probable cause to issue the warrant.

Maybe there was, maybe there wasn’t, but you likely won’t get the facts from a biased web-site that caters to “airing the truth about police injustice”, just as you won’t likely get the full facts from a police-support website.

To be sure, many police are crooked and many have prejudices that lead them to take wrong actions against what turn out to be innocent people. But, I have served in the Reserves with many cops who were stand-up individuals who went through a lot of crap on a regular basis and never let it affect their performance. There were also a few lawyers in the unit and the debates were pretty interesting to say the least about stories like this one. In many cases, these cops had inside information material to the case about what went down that the press conveniently left out.

DB

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:

[quote]espenl wrote:

[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:
Not really. Almost everyone in this so called “democracy” is an “inmante”. Look around you. There is not much freedom at all. Do you think that the majority of Americans spending more money than they make while getting in huge amounts of debt happens by coincidence?[/quote]

Yeah yeeeeaaah! Its just like North Korea!! Fucking police state, cops shooting at ya for nothing, you can’t turn your light on at night, no freedom whatsoever!

:p[/quote]

I didn’t say there was no freedom BUT the US prides it self in being all about freedom “the land of the free” does it ring any bells? Democracy in this country is just a sneaky way of ruling people just like any other type of government and that’s okay. It’s just a bit annoying when people think the U.S. is oh so free because it’s residents and citizens can choose religion and have opposite opinions about the government. [/quote]

thats a hell of a lot more free than a lot of countries i’ve been to.

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I will say that we share a lot of freedoms, but this country does have the most laws and the highest prisoner rates. which a good majority of them are drug related where there was no violence involved.

[quote]cryptik wrote:
I will say that we share a lot of freedoms, but this country does have the most laws and the highest prisoner rates. which a good majority of them are drug related where there was no violence involved.

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We do have a lot of laws and high (i dont know about highest cause I havent looked it up) prison rates for sure. I think a lot of other countries prison rates being so low is because of a much harsher punishment which acts as a deterrent wouldn’t you agree?

Im not sure about the drug related/no violence part either but like I said Im no expert on the subject. Im sure marijuana will be leagalized soon enough so that would eliminate a lot of crime right there for what is considered a harmless drug.

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Just wait till they start raiding the homes of people “known” to have steroids or other “questionable” supplements.

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Just wait till they start raiding the homes of people “known” to have steroids or other “questionable” supplements.

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there already have been steroid raids:

http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%257E53%257E1083520%257E,00.html

Wednesday, January 01, 2003 - A veteran Denver police sergeant and former SWAT officer is under suspicion in Arapahoe County for allegedly possessing steroids, officials said Tuesday.
The Denver Police Department placed Thomas Lahey, 36, on paid leave after he received a package of what police believe is testosterone at his Arapahoe County home on Thursday. Investigators from the South Metro Drug Task Force then raided Lahey’s home, seizing additional suspected steroids, 97 syringes, a steroid-use schedule, 15 guns and two computers, Arapahoe County Sheriff Grayson Robinson said.

A 14-year department veteran, Lahey was not detained. Authorities are still trying determine whether the drugs in the package and in his home were indeed steroids, Robinson said.

Under Colorado law, steroids are considered a controlled substance, and possessing them is a felony punishable by up to six years in prison, Robinson said.

The investigation into Lahey began Dec. 23, when U.S. Customs investigators doing a random check found the suspected testosterone in a package addressed to Lahey from Great Britain.

On Thursday, with Denver internal affairs detectives watching, investigators posing as mail carriers delivered the package to Lahey, Robinson said.

Moments later, the South Metro officers conducted the raid.

Robinson said authorities do not believe Lahey had plans to distribute the steroids, which he said are consistent with what body builders might use.

“As far as I know, he’s a weightlifter,” Robinson said.

Denver police officials declined to comment on the case Tuesday except to say Lahey is on paid leave pending the outcome of the investigation.

Lahey could not be reached for comment.

The sergeant has most recently been assigned to Denver International Airport.

He was at one time a SWAT officer.

In 1998, he and fellow SWAT officer Ken Padgett fatally shot a 17-year-old boy after the boy twice pointed a gun at them, ignored demands to drop his weapon and fought with police dogs.

The Denver district attorney’s office cleared the officers of wrongdoing in the case.

Robinson said that he expects to present the current case against Lahey to the Arapahoe County district attorney in the next couple of weeks, after the CBI laboratory finishes identifying the substances.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Just wait till they start raiding the homes of people “known” to have steroids or other “questionable” supplements.

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there already have been steroid raids.

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Well let me clarify…since you think I’m stating the obvious. How many “everyday” people have had their homes raided for steroids and supplements?? AND on what grounds?

[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:
I take the stance that there has to be more to the background of the individual that led to the raid.
DB[/quote]

I find it too common that people take this leap of faith. I used to think it was probably very uncommon that a totally innocent person would get rail-roaded. More and more I’ve come to believe it is pretty common. Obviously in this case the guy wasn’t TOTALLY innocent, but it is clear to me in the video that some of the officers quickly realized that the whole SWAT team storming the house in the middle of the night was a wee bit excessive.

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Just wait till they start raiding the homes of people “known” to have steroids or other “questionable” supplements.

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Does anyone know how it went down for Bushy?

[quote]on edge wrote:

[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:
I take the stance that there has to be more to the background of the individual that led to the raid.
DB[/quote]

I find it too common that people take this leap of faith. I used to think it was probably very uncommon that a totally innocent person would get rail-roaded. More and more I’ve come to believe it is pretty common. Obviously in this case the guy wasn’t TOTALLY innocent, but it is clear to me in the video that some of the officers quickly realized that the whole SWAT team storming the house in the middle of the night was a wee bit excessive.[/quote]

I’m sure when the swat officers were briefed and shown pictures/given intel of the house layout and what not that they expected to enter a different environment than they actually did.

I agree that they probably were thinking “well shit. this isnt what I was expecting” lol.

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[quote]on edge wrote:

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Just wait till they start raiding the homes of people “known” to have steroids or other “questionable” supplements.

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Does anyone know how it went down for Bushy?[/quote]

I wasn’t aware of any situation with him. ?

[quote]on edge wrote:

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Just wait till they start raiding the homes of people “known” to have steroids or other “questionable” supplements.

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Does anyone know how it went down for Bushy?[/quote]

did BBB get raided? if so that really sucks and I hope he’s not in trouble.

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There definately seems to be alot of the sheep mentality amongst the "all cops are pigs crowd here.

I didn’t do a lot of research into this case because I know how much, or little of the information will actually be released. There are a lot of questions that need to be asked. Is this guy actually a drug dealer, does he ussually have more product and he just happened to move it? Does this guy have a criminal history? A violent history? A history of having weapons? The fact that he has a wife, kids and a foofy dog don’t change the status of those questions.

watch out for these, they’re dangerous!

[quote]StevenF wrote:
watch out for these, they’re dangerous! [/quote]

the dog that was shot and killed was a pitbull… not that.

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