pros in the 60’s who the fuck cares about the 60’s anyway… Cuban Misile crisis, Marlyn Monroe, Neil Armstrong… need I go on that is ancient history… almost 50 years ago… how old are you? because I wasn’t even born then.
[quote]Prisoner wrote:
pros in the 60’s who the fuck cares about the 60’s anyway… Cuban Misile crisis, Marlyn Monroe, Neil Armstrong… need I go on that is ancient history… almost 50 years ago… how old are you? because I wasn’t even born then.[/quote]
Neither was I. I was making a point about how different people try different things for contest prep. I was not saying anyone needs to do what they did in the 60’s. Flex Wheeler used to salt load. Some others would never do anything like that.
The point was, getting into contest shape at that level isn’t as simple as just losing weight.
The point was, getting into contest shape at that level isn’t as simple as just losing weight.[/quote]
ah, yeah, actually it is. If you can get your bodyfat at or below 2.5% while keeping all your muscle, the less you do, the better.
Just show up, pump up and you’ll be drier and tighter then anybody else out there who is not in the twos irregardless of if they loaded salt, stuck an enema up their ass, or did IV lasix and insulin to carb load and drop water(which by the way is a very bad idea).
Nothing changes between what athletes competing at the NPC championships and athletes competing at the pro level do. The only difference is usually the athletes who have attained their procard are holding a little more muscle.
[quote]Prisoner wrote:
The point was, getting into contest shape at that level isn’t as simple as just losing weight.
ah, yeah, actually it is. If you can get your bodyfat at or below 2.5% while keeping all your muscle, the less you do, the better.
Just show up, pump up and you’ll be drier and tighter then anybody else out there who is not in the twos irregardless of if they loaded salt, stuck an enema up their ass, or did IV lasix and insulin to carb load and drop water(which by the way is a very bad idea).
Nothing changes between what athletes competing at the NPC championships and athletes competing at the pro level do. The only difference is usually the athletes who have attained their procard are holding a little more muscle.[/quote]
Are you arguing just to see your name on the screen? If it was all about body fat levels, Dennis James wouldn’t miss the mark as far as conditioning like he is accused of. It isn’t like he doesn’t have the discipline to diet enough fat off.
Carb loading, salt loading and everything else discussed exist because it isn’t just about fat percentages for many of them.
You do realize I’m not a beginner, right?
today
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Prisoner wrote:
It really is one of the differences between winning and losing. If you want the trophy you gotta be as lean or leaner then the next guy.
…and I am simply saying I don’t agree with that aspect of competition. It used to be about muscle size and shape, not who can be drier than the other guy.[/quote]
I gotta agree with Prisoner on this. It still is about size and shape. Conditioning was part of package from past BB’s, they just didn’t have the chemicals that are available today so they physically could not get that dry. Look at the BB’s of the 90’s they pushed conditioning to the limit. Munzer is the prime example of this.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Prisoner wrote:
The point was, getting into contest shape at that level isn’t as simple as just losing weight.
ah, yeah, actually it is. If you can get your bodyfat at or below 2.5% while keeping all your muscle, the less you do, the better.
Just show up, pump up and you’ll be drier and tighter then anybody else out there who is not in the twos irregardless of if they loaded salt, stuck an enema up their ass, or did IV lasix and insulin to carb load and drop water(which by the way is a very bad idea).
Nothing changes between what athletes competing at the NPC championships and athletes competing at the pro level do. The only difference is usually the athletes who have attained their procard are holding a little more muscle.
Are you arguing just to see your name on the screen? If it was all about body fat levels, Dennis James wouldn’t miss the mark as far as conditioning like he is accused of. It isn’t like he doesn’t have the discipline to diet enough fat off.
Carb loading, salt loading and everything else discussed exist because it isn’t just about fat percentages for many of them.
You do realize I’m not a beginner, right?[/quote]
Yeah, I realize who you are, you are the guy who pm’d me a few years back asking about doing cardio because you wanted to lean out. Judging by your avatar, that is something you decided against doing lol.
I am not arguing for the sake of arguing. You are stating things that inacurate and really I am just corecting your points.
I could care less for one bodybuilder or another. I am not a ‘Mark’ for bodybuilders. I love the sport and I love every aspect of competing in it.
Obviously, with that said I want people to be aware of just how hard bodybuilders have to work to prep for a show, and that as I have said it is the weeks of preparation that win the show, not the final few days of manipulation at the end.
And as for your comment about me “just arguing to see my name on the screen”, check my post count, for being here for as long as I have been, its really not that high, so really I resent that. I have have won ‘poster of the week’ when they were giving out that award, I have had my pic up on powerfull physiques twice, There are a few stickies on this board directly related to me, and there is now an article interviewing me as well.
If anybody is just arguing to see his name that person is certainly not me.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Prisoner wrote:
It isn’t like he doesn’t have the discipline to diet enough fat off.
[/quote]
yeah, unfortunately it actually is the case. This guy does not work hard enough in his contest prep, or whoever he has prepping him is not doing a good enough job to get him lean enough going into the show.
This has been the knock agaist him for years, and If I recall flex wheeler may have had the same problem.
A lot of time guys who are gifted with gobs of favorable genetics, tend to rely on them too much thinking there shape will beat the next guy. Trouble is that doesn’t work once you get to the top.
Another problem is ego and psychological - guys are afraid of getting to small if they diet down lean, or guys have a target weight they have claimed ahead of time as their contest weight - example Tony Freeman and his 300 lb claim for the Olympia two years ago.
Don’t worry about what you weigh, its not what you weigh its how you look that counts.
Bottom line is if you don’t have any fat between the skin and the muscle, there is not going to be anywhere for you to hold water.
Skin does not hold much water, and if extremely easy to dry out.
[quote]Prisoner wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Prisoner wrote:
The point was, getting into contest shape at that level isn’t as simple as just losing weight.
ah, yeah, actually it is. If you can get your bodyfat at or below 2.5% while keeping all your muscle, the less you do, the better.
Just show up, pump up and you’ll be drier and tighter then anybody else out there who is not in the twos irregardless of if they loaded salt, stuck an enema up their ass, or did IV lasix and insulin to carb load and drop water(which by the way is a very bad idea).
Nothing changes between what athletes competing at the NPC championships and athletes competing at the pro level do. The only difference is usually the athletes who have attained their procard are holding a little more muscle.
Are you arguing just to see your name on the screen? If it was all about body fat levels, Dennis James wouldn’t miss the mark as far as conditioning like he is accused of. It isn’t like he doesn’t have the discipline to diet enough fat off.
Carb loading, salt loading and everything else discussed exist because it isn’t just about fat percentages for many of them.
You do realize I’m not a beginner, right?
Yeah, I realize who you are, you are the guy who pm’d me a few years back asking about doing cardio because you wanted to lean out. Judging by your avatar, that is something you decided against doing lol.
I am not arguing for the sake of arguing. You are stating things that inacurate and really I am just corecting your points.
I could care less for one bodybuilder or another. I am not a ‘Mark’ for bodybuilders. I love the sport and I love every aspect of competing in it.
Obviously, with that said I want people to be aware of just how hard bodybuilders have to work to prep for a show, and that as I have said it is the weeks of preparation that win the show, not the final few days of manipulation at the end.
And as for your comment about me “just arguing to see my name on the screen”, check my post count, for being here for as long as I have been, its really not that high, so really I resent that.
I have have won ‘poster of the week’ when they were giving out that award, I have had my pic up on powerfull physiques twice, There are a few stickies on this board directly related to me, and there is now an article interviewing me as well.
If anybody is just arguing to see his name that person is certainly not me.[/quote]
Good post.