Man Resists a Taser

[quote]Stronghold wrote:
Are you guys trying to imply that there is something wrong with being a child or with being elderly? I always had respect for the elderly because of the experience they had that I lack. Theyve seen a lot and I reason that there is a great deal that can be learned from them. They created the world in which I live today and for that I respect them. I hold the door for the elderly, women, and children not out of some disdain or condescending spirit, but because all three groups have something to offer society that I cant bring to the table.[/quote]

Excellent post. That’s the way I was raised too.

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
nephorm wrote:
If anyone is immediately behind me, or within 20 seconds of catching up to me, I will hold the door for him or her. I don’t care who it is.

If you are an especially attractive woman, I will wait an extra 10 or 15 seconds, for the purely selfish goal of being able to watch you walk away.

This is how I handle it, too, although for me substitute “elderly woman” or “woman with stroller” for “especially attractive woman.” And…I don’t really need to watch them walk away.

A lot of things outrage me, and I’m the first to decry the imbalances in our society, but I think it’s important to separate societal issues from personal ones.

I go to a writing group every Friday, which I love. On my way, at about 12:57 every week, I stop at a store for a coffee, which I love. The store is always hopping, mostly with blue collar-looking men. Maybe there’s a plant nearby that breaks at that time. Anyway, I don’t think, in the six months I’ve been stopping at that store once a week, that I’ve ever opened that door for myself, going in or out.

Why worry that the behavior is grounded in millenniums-old assumptions of gender inferiority? These guys are rushing to open the door because their fathers told them it’s the right thing to do and because it’s the end of the work week and I’m a happy-looking female. I can either sniff my disdain or I can give them a sunny smile and say thanks. The former would serve what purpose, in terms of societal change? Whereas the latter has us sharing a pleasant exchange on a Friday afternoon. Sure, I can easily open the door, but why would I want to make someone feel small who tried to do something nice for me? Even if it’s an unwanted compliment, why make someone else’s day less happy?

Also, has anyone but me noticed that sometimes doors are really heavy? Maybe the other feminists don’t have this problem, but occasionally I’ll go to pull a door open and find myself sort of smacking into it when it doesn’t move as easily as I expect it to. Then I have to get myself all braced for a second try. It doesn’t offend me at all when my husband reaches over me and grabs it. (More, it offends me when he mocks me for it. LOL)

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Fan-fucking-tastic post! I don’t have any pretensions to making statements of gender power. I just want to do something nice for other people, and I was raised thinking it was the right thing to do.

As a side note, I don’t particularly like people who show me they are offended when I try to do something nice for them. Many I just chalk it up as them having a bad day, but sometimes… well let’s just say I think many people are too cynical to notice anything nice in the world.

I will say this: I’ve noticed in my personal experience that women who get upset from me holding a door for them usually don’t like my sense of humor. I don’t like hanging around people who get offended by my jokes, which aren’t even close to off color. I prefer someone who can laugh at themselves as well as others. Some people are just too touchy, especially considering the amount of deprecating humor I use regarding myself.

Disclaimer: this post is not pointed at buckeye girl, or any other independent woman in particular.

[quote]buckeye girl wrote:
I just to not want to be treated like a child. I can open doors, I know how to scoot my chair in, and I can carry my own stuff.[/quote]

But you’ll never be able to pee on a wall while standing up…

[quote]Ultimate Badass wrote:
buckeye girl wrote:
I just to not want to be treated like a child. I can open doors, I know how to scoot my chair in, and I can carry my own stuff.

But you’ll never be able to pee on a wall while standing up…[/quote]

Funny.

So anyway I never got an answer, are we allowed to get off the sinking ship first with the children now? or should we just stay on the ship and not hold the doors open in case we offend?

[quote]buckeye girl wrote:
oh god. here we go.

I’m pretty sure we are not “allowed” to hit anyone, regardless of sex.

Men and women still are not equal in society. White male privilege continues to exists, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that men have it easy.

And, I’m pretty sure I’ve said this before, but…I can open my own fucking door.[/quote]

Alright then answer this, why then do women have lower requitements and lower standards than males do for certain jobs such as fire/rescue and law enforcement and their requirements are roughly 1/2 to 3/4 of the male standards so shouldn’t then get 1/2 to 3/4 the normal pay?

I think its silly to think that one could have lower requirements and still argue that they weren’t getting paid enough when the males have higher standards but are receiving the same pay as someone who had lower standards.

[quote]Bob760 wrote:
buckeye girl wrote:
oh god. here we go.

I’m pretty sure we are not “allowed” to hit anyone, regardless of sex.

Men and women still are not equal in society. White male privilege continues to exists, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that men have it easy.

And, I’m pretty sure I’ve said this before, but…I can open my own fucking door.

Alright then answer this, why then do women have lower requitements and lower standards than males do for certain jobs such as fire/rescue and law enforcement and their requirements are roughly 1/2 to 3/4 of the male standards so shouldn’t then get 1/2 to 3/4 the normal pay? I think its silly to think that one could have lower requirements and still argue that they weren’t getting paid enough when the males have higher standards but are receiving the same pay as someone who had lower standards.

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anyone who disagrees that females should have to make the same HIGH requirements as males for positions like this are worthless human beings. I already hate how soccer mom organziations are trying to sugarcoat military traning. Having weak people in the polive and fire dept is going to make our cities worse places to live.

[quote]Electric_E wrote:
So anyway I never got an answer, are we allowed to get off the sinking ship first with the children now? or should we just stay on the ship and not hold the doors open in case we offend?[/quote]

Forget the political correctness, be a man and do the right thing.

OMG I HAVE STARTED A WAR

[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
Bob760 wrote:
buckeye girl wrote:
oh god. here we go.

I’m pretty sure we are not “allowed” to hit anyone, regardless of sex.

Men and women still are not equal in society. White male privilege continues to exists, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that men have it easy.

And, I’m pretty sure I’ve said this before, but…I can open my own fucking door.

Alright then answer this, why then do women have lower requitements and lower standards than males do for certain jobs such as fire/rescue and law enforcement and their requirements are roughly 1/2 to 3/4 of the male standards so shouldn’t then get 1/2 to 3/4 the normal pay? I think its silly to think that one could have lower requirements and still argue that they weren’t getting paid enough when the males have higher standards but are receiving the same pay as someone who had lower standards.

anyone who disagrees that females should have to make the same HIGH requirements as males for positions like this are worthless human beings. I already hate how soccer mom organziations are trying to sugarcoat military traning. Having weak people in the polive and fire dept is going to make our cities worse places to live.
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It’s because the requirements for men, when applied to women, resulted in women who had been effective in their positions for years being disqualified. As a result, the courts ruled that applying these same requirements to women was discriminatory, and a new set of requirements had to be developed.

[quote]Aleksandr wrote:
Ultimate Badass wrote:
buckeye girl wrote:
I just to not want to be treated like a child. I can open doors, I know how to scoot my chair in, and I can carry my own stuff.

But you’ll never be able to pee on a wall while standing up…

Funny.[/quote]

http://www.poopreport.com/Techniques/Content/Standing/standing.html

Who says a woman can’t pee standing up?

[quote]christine wrote:
http://www.poopreport.com/Techniques/Content/Standing/standing.html

Who says a woman can’t pee standing up?[/quote]

A thread about a man getting tasered turned into a thread about white male privilege and holding doors and now we are on to women peeing while standing up.

[quote]Aleksandr wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
Bob760 wrote:
buckeye girl wrote:
oh god. here we go.

I’m pretty sure we are not “allowed” to hit anyone, regardless of sex.

Men and women still are not equal in society. White male privilege continues to exists, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that men have it easy.

And, I’m pretty sure I’ve said this before, but…I can open my own fucking door.

Alright then answer this, why then do women have lower requitements and lower standards than males do for certain jobs such as fire/rescue and law enforcement and their requirements are roughly 1/2 to 3/4 of the male standards so shouldn’t then get 1/2 to 3/4 the normal pay? I think its silly to think that one could have lower requirements and still argue that they weren’t getting paid enough when the males have higher standards but are receiving the same pay as someone who had lower standards.

anyone who disagrees that females should have to make the same HIGH requirements as males for positions like this are worthless human beings. I already hate how soccer mom organziations are trying to sugarcoat military traning. Having weak people in the polive and fire dept is going to make our cities worse places to live.

It’s because the requirements for men, when applied to women, resulted in women who had been effective in their positions for years being disqualified. As a result, the courts ruled that applying these same requirements to women was discriminatory, and a new set of requirements had to be developed.
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and?? If you’re a 240 pound bodybuilder who’s passed out from lack of oxygen in a house fire, you beter fucking hope the 110 pounds female firefighter that can’t do a single pullup isn’t the one coming to drag your ass out. It’s simply a matter of common sense.Men ARE better canidates for such things, and women if they chose to take the plunge into such a career will need to fit the standard or simply work harder to achieve the standard. It’s like saying the 250 pound donut eating cop shouldn’t be fired because his 40 time is measured in minutes. WHat the fuck are you thinking?

[quote]Aleksandr wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
Bob760 wrote:
buckeye girl wrote:
oh god. here we go.

I’m pretty sure we are not “allowed” to hit anyone, regardless of sex.

Men and women still are not equal in society. White male privilege continues to exists, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that men have it easy.

And, I’m pretty sure I’ve said this before, but…I can open my own fucking door.

Alright then answer this, why then do women have lower requitements and lower standards than males do for certain jobs such as fire/rescue and law enforcement and their requirements are roughly 1/2 to 3/4 of the male standards so shouldn’t then get 1/2 to 3/4 the normal pay? I think its silly to think that one could have lower requirements and still argue that they weren’t getting paid enough when the males have higher standards but are receiving the same pay as someone who had lower standards.

anyone who disagrees that females should have to make the same HIGH requirements as males for positions like this are worthless human beings. I already hate how soccer mom organziations are trying to sugarcoat military traning. Having weak people in the polive and fire dept is going to make our cities worse places to live.

It’s because the requirements for men, when applied to women, resulted in women who had been effective in their positions for years being disqualified. As a result, the courts ruled that applying these same requirements to women was discriminatory, and a new set of requirements had to be developed.
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I’m sorry, but with all due respect you are out of your ever-loving mind. The very foundational purposes of the police, the fire dept, and the military are to secure the people against criminals, secure people against catastrophe, and to kill things and break stuff, respectively. These are OBJECTIVE based purposes. If the objective cannot be met by a person sworn in with the duty of meeting it, that person, whether male or female, must be considered unfit for duty. That person should then be either

a) put on probation until such time as he/she meets requirements,
b) put in a desk/analytical/non-intensive job where their experience is valuable,
c) fired, or
d) not hired in the first place.

to ensure the effectiveness of the organization as a whole. There is no place for someone who cannot meet the minimum requirements. However the courts ruled, it was incorrect. You should never hamstring an entire organization, ESPECIALLY one charged with public or national security. If the women had valuable experience, it may have been better to simply relocate them into jobs less physically demanding but more influence-driven.

There should be 1 set of standards. If someone can reach these standards, let him/her serve. If not, goodbye.

I love it when a woman is comfortable in her own skin enough to not play a tough front and let me open the door for her.

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

I’m sorry, but with all due respect you are out of your ever-loving mind. The very foundational purposes of the police, the fire dept, and the military are to secure the people against criminals, secure people against catastrophe, and to kill things and break stuff, respectively. These are OBJECTIVE based purposes. If the objective cannot be met by a person sworn in with the duty of meeting it, that person, whether male or female, must be considered unfit for duty. That person should then be either

a) put on probation until such time as he/she meets requirements,
b) put in a desk/analytical/non-intensive job where their experience is valuable,
c) fired, or
d) not hired in the first place.

to ensure the effectiveness of the organization as a whole. There is no place for someone who cannot meet the minimum requirements. However the courts ruled, it was incorrect. You should never hamstring an entire organization, ESPECIALLY one charged with public or national security. If the women had valuable experience, it may have been better to simply relocate them into jobs less physically demanding but more influence-driven.

There should be 1 set of standards. If someone can reach these standards, let him/her serve. If not, goodbye. [/quote]

I suspect that only one of us is an expert in human resource management. I explained the reason why women have lower requirements. I’ll say it again. The requirements for men disqualify female incumbents WHO ARE ABLE TO PERFORM THEIR JOBS. As a result, the courts had no choice but to call these “unreasonably high standards” discriminatory.

Your opinion on the matter is really insignificant (sorry).

[quote]SouthernGypsy wrote:
I love it when a woman is comfortable in her own skin enough to not play a tough front and let me open the door for her.[/quote]

Why should women care what you love?

Out of curiosity, how many here HAVE gotten overtly bad reactions from women when opening doors for them, and things of that nature?

Me: Never.

[quote]Aleksandr wrote:
SouthernGypsy wrote:
I love it when a woman is comfortable in her own skin enough to not play a tough front and let me open the door for her.

Why should women care what you love?[/quote]

I guess for the same reason that anyone should care what a self-proclaimed HR expert thinks.

Douche…

And I agree with the last post, everytime I’ve held a door for a lady, she’s always smiled and politely said thank you.