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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]angus_beef wrote:

[quote]buddaboy wrote:

That is gyno, fact. The only way to rid yourself of the fucking diabolical stuff it is surgery, fact.

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How are you able to make such a definitive diagnosis? … Are you a gynocologist?
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bwaaahahahahaha [/quote]

While funny, I have gone into detail before about the difference between gyno, adipose induced pseudo-gyno and even simply nipple enlargement.

Claiming you can look at a pic of someone who just lost a lot of weight by itself and tell the diference is a little off. That is why his goal should be to build some size and actually work out first changing body comp before worrying about surgery…but hey…what do I know.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]angus_beef wrote:

[quote]buddaboy wrote:

That is gyno, fact. The only way to rid yourself of the fucking diabolical stuff it is surgery, fact.

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How are you able to make such a definitive diagnosis? … Are you a gynocologist?
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bwaaahahahahaha [/quote]

While funny, I have gone into detail before about the difference between gyno, adipose induced pseudo-gyno and even simply nipple enlargement.

Claiming you can look at a pic of someone who just lost a lot of weight by itself and tell the diference is a little off. That is why his goal should be to build some size and actually work out first changing body comp before worrying about surgery…but hey…what do I know.[/quote]

I was mostly LOLing at the “are you a gynocologist” part… but yeah I see what you’re saying.

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the way that I look at it is this:

If the OP is truly unhappy with his apparent gyno there is probably nothing that is going to change his mind about wanting to get the surgery.

Will adding overall size to his physique make him look a hell of a lot better? Yes, yes, most definitely yes.

Will that make him less self conscious about his puffy nips? I would venture to say probably not.

Surgery or no surgery, the OP is going to need to add a lot of size.

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[quote]buddaboy wrote:
You need surgery for that bro, sorry, but thats the fact of the matter.

Reducing body fat will ‘minimize’ the size of the lump, but not much seeing as you’re already pretty lean.

Good luck, the sooner you get it sorted out the better-if I were you I’d just get it over with.[/quote]

“Pretty lean”…I’ve never heard anyone with a worse definition.

Surgery? That’s a fact? Your clearly are an expert on the subject.

FYI I hope I sound like I’m being a dick, because its clearly an emotional subject and your comments should complete ignorance and lack of understanding.

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Agreed with above.

Just to cement it in, Gyno is not some entity where the only solution in all cases is surgery.

Pseudo-gyno is indistinguishable from true gynecomastia and is only evident if it disappears when dieted down.

Therefore, maybe people should quit listening to guys whose most exposure to this is high school biology and google.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Agreed with above.

Just to cement it in, Gyno is not some entity where the only solution in all cases is surgery.

Pseudo-gyno is indistinguishable from true gynecomastia and is only evident if it disappears when dieted down.

Therefore, maybe people should quit listening to guys whose most exposure to this is high school biology and google.[/quote]

I would disagree with the comment that pseudo-gyno is not distinguishable from true gyno… unless you mean ‘over the internet’ in which case I agree with you 100%.

But true gyno is only effectively dealt with through surgery IMO. The use of AIs may provide a degree of resolution IF the tissue responds and it doesn’t in many cases.

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Yes, I mean ocver the internet…and also with regards to when fat is lost and whether it decreases in size drastically.

My gyno wasn’t going anywhere no matter how much weight was lost.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Therefore, maybe people should quit listening to guys whose most exposure to this is high school biology and google.[/quote]

I’m sure you don’t care, but comments like this really downgrade you in my eyes. All the positive information you have to share gets belittled by your defensiveness.

People here know your background, yet you seem to want to remind us all as often as possible. Chill out.

BBB[/quote]

How about I keep typing the way I see fit?

The bottom line is, in my opinion the remarks earlier WERE insensitive like the other poster wrote that I agreed with. That is a matter of perception and claiming I should not respond to it is a judgment call only I need to make.

You can continue to respond in ways you see fit.

I will do the same.

Someone claimed the only procedure for all gyno was surgery.

This is incorrect seeing as you can’t tell what kind of gyno he has over the freaking internet when he has just lost that much weight.

Why would I need to apologize for trying to give someone CORRECT info when people with less training are telling him wrong or incomplete info?

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I would look for the amount of estrogen that you are getting in your diet and there is ALOT of estrogen mimicers in the modern day environment… Normally if you clean that up your will greatly reduce the size of your MAN BOOBS

Use Clean Water (Most water supplies is contaminated with xenoestrogens)
Oragnic Food (Farmers use herbicides, pesticides, antibiotics)
Eat Grass Fed Beef, Hormone Free Chicken, Wild Fish, Organic, No Pesticide Vegetables
No more Tylenol (behaves like estrogen)
Limit Alcohol (disables the liver from removing excess estrogen from blood stream)
Avoid processed carbohydrates like breat, cereals, and pasta. They cause excess insulin, which builds fat and stimulates feminizing estrogen

Try that first… no surgery needed

~Mike Thomas~

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Icy hot for topical fat loss? I thought menthol was just a good transdermal carrier? Not an actual fat loss agent.

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[quote]MikeLThomas wrote:
No more Tylenol (behaves like estrogen)
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Source?

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Bottom line is why worry about it today? Tomorrows got it’s own stresses, and you’re not going to solve anything worrying about it (I’m sure you know who said that forbes? :slight_smile: ). Don’t let it become an obsession like some form of dysmorphia

Fill out more, build your upper chest especially (it’ll never get “too big”). Try training chest 2x/week, prioritise incline pressing first in the workout. Bear in mind that it won’t be fixed over-night; it took me almost a year to bring my upper chest up to par (haven’t updated avatar yet).

A diet after being quite fat ALWAYS makes certain areas look “saggy/pouchy” anyway (it’s like blowing up a balloon and popping it). Going on a sensible bulk will “stretch it” out more so it’s less noticeable.

As others have said, you may not even notice it much when all the above is done

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Since I see BBB and a couple other physiology-intelligent people have posted in this thread, and it seems relevant, would taking Letro (letrozole) help the someone with natural gyno at all? Or does Letro only make a difference on gyno that’s a side from the usage of anabolics?

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[quote]Blaze_108 wrote:
Since I see BBB and a couple other physiology-intelligent people have posted in this thread, and it seems relevant, would taking Letro (letrozole) help the someone with natural gyno at all? Or does Letro only make a difference on gyno that’s a side from the usage of anabolics?

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You won’t be getting rid of true gyno without surgery. Some drugs may be able to stop progression if caught early on during the use of steroids, but most people with gyno from puberty have had the condition for years to begin with.

However, like has been said, unless you have been lean before and still had gyno, assuming any fat deposits there at all are just “gyno” is incorrect.

The op could very well workout for two years and you wouldn’t see abnormality there at all.

He is untrained, lost body fat recently, in poor condition and this is the internet. Make sure the people you listen to actually have some real training in biology or you will get half ass info.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Blaze_108 wrote:
Since I see BBB and a couple other physiology-intelligent people have posted in this thread, and it seems relevant, would taking Letro (letrozole) help the someone with natural gyno at all? Or does Letro only make a difference on gyno that’s a side from the usage of anabolics?

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You won’t be getting rid of true gyno without surgery. Some drugs may be able to stop progression if caught early on during the use of steroids, but most people with gyno from puberty have had the condition for years to begin with.

However, like has been said, unless you have been lean before and still had gyno, assuming any fat deposits there at all are just “gyno” is incorrect.

The op could very well workout for two years and you wouldn’t see abnormality there at all.

He is untrained, lost body fat recently, in poor condition and this is the internet. Make sure the people you listen to actually have some real training in biology or you will get half ass info.[/quote]

Hmm alright, thanks Prof. I only asked because a friend tried taking Letro (He had true gyno, went from a soft 290 down to 145, then back up to a fairly lean 225 over 4 years and still had it the whole time) and we noticed a slight improvement, though I wasn’t sure if it was from the Letro, him putting on a little chest size, or even some placebo effect.

Agreed on the OP point, he should work on size before considering any hormonal influences.

I know how pseudo-gyno goes. I pretty much cut off my last attempt at a bulk because I felt like i was getting gyno, then as soon as I leaned out again I didn’t have it. It was still worrisome, though.

I realize as well that you can’t just listen to anyone on the net. I was mainly looking for a reply from BBB,Bonez, or yourself (all people with either the appropriate education or experience in the matter).