Ok this is my first cycle. I’m using Test e 500mg/ week. i frontloaded so i did 1g in first week. The First 2 weeks were amazing and i felt a massive increase in strength, stamina, wellbeing, libido, confidence. I put on 5kg of mostly muscle.
However, a week ago i started to notice bad gyno symptoms that came on superfast. I now have pointy nips some breast tissue growth and numerous lumps all in 1 week. I had hoped to be on arimadex from day one but have been really jerked around by the source i was using.
So basically this last week i have had zero energy, sex drive, i’m depressed, zero muscle pump in the gym, total loss of appetite, shortened time to ejaculate, weaker orgasms, actually lost a kg in the last week and i could keep going with these symptoms.
So i decided to look elsewhere for ancilleries.
I have tamoxifen which i have been taking at 60mg/day for the last 3 days. seems to have stopped the gyno growth but hasn’t helped any other sympToms at all.
I will hopefully have some liquid letrozole in the next couple of days.
i have also ordered some more nolva, some anastrozole and some arimadex online which im hoping i will receive in around a weeks time.
i had planned to run the cycle for 10 weeks. The first couple of weeks were awesome and i know that test e supposedly takes longer than that to kick in but that wasnt the case with me. the gains were definitely no placebo.
I pinned today then went to the gym and had one of the worst workouts i can rermember ever having. zero pumps, zero motivation, felt weak as a little girl and i feel fat.I couldn’t wait to get out of there.
Something is very wrong. what should i do?
already been to 3 doctors about the gyno. Very unhelpful
Man I really feel for guys who have these problems. I just don’t understand how a measly 500mg of Test could fuck you up so bad I mean I run a gram and over, plus Tren at damn near a gram and Deca at 500 and E is only slightly elevated, no prolactin issues nothing and I have not touched a AI in over a year.
You need to get to doctor who has a fuxking clue man seriously. Also I would question your source if they didn’t give you something else… Maybe a blend or something im sorry but the Enth ester doesn’t kick in at a week to the point your saying. Just a suggestion.
[quote]Reed wrote:
Man I really feel for guys who have these problems. I just don’t understand how a measly 500mg of Test could fuck you up so bad I mean I run a gram and over, plus Tren at damn near a gram and Deca at 500 and E is only slightly elevated, no prolactin issues nothing and I have not touched a AI in over a year.
You need to get to doctor who has a fuxking clue man seriously. Also I would question your source if they didn’t give you something else… Maybe a blend or something im sorry but the Enth ester doesn’t kick in at a week to the point your saying. Just a suggestion. [/quote]
It was is 1ml pharma amps so I was definitely test e. They were a little over 1ml though. Maybe 1.2ml
yeah I should have waited but was impatient and my source kept assuring me that everything would be heresoon.
And from what pharmacy did you acquire these from? Last I remember AAS was not the easiest thing to get in Australia. Either way I can guarantee you in 2 weeks you didn’t add 20+ of muscle from Test E. That number is realistic of a cycle not for less than 2 weeks time. Enth just doesn’t work that way sorry. If that was the case your talking close to 40lbs or more from a simple Test. Which maybe if your extremely underweight that’s possible.
[quote]Reed wrote:
And from what pharmacy did you acquire these from? Last I remember AAS was not the easiest thing to get in Australia. Either way I can guarantee you in 2 weeks you didn’t add 20+ of muscle from Test E. That number is realistic of a cycle not for less than 2 weeks time. Enth just doesn’t work that way sorry. If that was the case your talking close to 40lbs or more from a simple Test. Which maybe if your extremely underweight that’s possible.[/quote]
I said I put on 5kg not 20. Rotex medica amps
I was 81kg. Currently 86.7kg. This is the 4th week
I’m with REED on the quick results, just me personally.
It’s not here nor there but at 29 y.o. and weighing 170 lbs, you may have jumped the gun on the juice; providing your not 5’-6". I was thinking maybe your gyno may have been just fat from overeating, not to sure though, was it ever an issue before?
I really want this to be taken the right way so keep your mind open; is there any chance you may be seeing something that is not there? Any? I heard all the horror stories about gyno and after 8 weeks of 400 mg of test cyp. I thought I could/may be seeing some change in my nips. To quote a knowledgeable guy from this forum, " Leave your fuckin’ tits alone". He’s right, keep playing with them and they will get sore.
By no means disregard anything but also don’t over think it.
[quote]doublelung84 wrote:
I’m with REED on the quick results, just me personally.
It’s not here nor there but at 29 y.o. and weighing 170 lbs, you may have jumped the gun on the juice; providing your not 5’-6". I was thinking maybe your gyno may have been just fat from overeating, not to sure though, was it ever an issue before?
I really want this to be taken the right way so keep your mind open; is there any chance you may be seeing something that is not there? Any? I heard all the horror stories about gyno and after 8 weeks of 400 mg of test cyp. I thought I could/may be seeing some change in my nips. To quote a knowledgeable guy from this forum, " Leave your fuckin’ tits alone". He’s right, keep playing with them and they will get sore.
By no means disregard anything but also don’t over think it.
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Im 6ft 1inch
gyno has bever been a problem until now. It seems like it has settled down a lot since starting nolva. Why do you think I’ve jumped the gun? Im naturally ectomophic and my body doesnt like going much over 80kg. I have never ever stored any fat on my chest or had any pain there until I started this cycle.
[quote]doublelung84 wrote:
I’m with REED on the quick results, just me personally.
It’s not here nor there but at 29 y.o. and weighing 170 lbs, you may have jumped the gun on the juice; providing your not 5’-6". I was thinking maybe your gyno may have been just fat from overeating, not to sure though, was it ever an issue before?
I really want this to be taken the right way so keep your mind open; is there any chance you may be seeing something that is not there? Any? I heard all the horror stories about gyno and after 8 weeks of 400 mg of test cyp. I thought I could/may be seeing some change in my nips. To quote a knowledgeable guy from this forum, " Leave your fuckin’ tits alone". He’s right, keep playing with them and they will get sore.
By no means disregard anything but also don’t over think it.
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Im 6ft 1inch
gyno has bever been a problem until now. It seems like it has settled down a lot since starting nolva. Why do you think I’ve jumped the gun? Im naturally ectomophic and my body doesnt like going much over 80kg. I have never ever stored any fat on my chest or had any pain there until I started this cycle. [/quote]
If you were always lean, its doubtful it is just added body fat. Some guys just store extra fat there, it doesn’t make it gyno. I you did the right thing and played it safe. Not homo here but you could have posted a pic., that would have helped and I should have mentioned it to you.
Forget about the AAS early start. It’s just recommended that you work harder, eat better and give yourself a chance to grow before jumping to the dark side. But some guys just do all the right things and their body just won’t respond; guess you are one of them.
But some guys just do all the right things and their body just won’t respond; guess you are one of them.[/quote]
I strongly doubt this is the case here.[/quote]
I’m listening; I could be wrong but would like to know what are you thinking? I was making reference to eating and training, that is what you are also referring to? I had a friend years ago that trained like a nut stayed away from junk food but ate like a cow, poor bastard had a metabolism of a rabbit. He jumped on the juice out of frustration and blew up.
Because your 6’1" and weigh 170lbs man. There is no reason you could not and should not have waited to get on gear. What are your lifting maxes and be honest. There are very few and I mean very few cases where some one can not get atleast to 200lbs naturally especially at your height. There is no way you would not grow if you were taking in a high enough number of calories even if it meant you had to resort to eating less than clean calories.
Almost 90% of the time you jumped the gun to gain weight because you think your eating and training are great and truth is you dont know half or eat half what you need or could have. If I am wrong prove it.
[quote]Reed wrote:
Because your 6’1" and weigh 170lbs man. There is no reason you could not and should not have waited to get on gear. What are your lifting maxes and be honest. There are very few and I mean very few cases where some one can not get atleast to 200lbs naturally especially at your height. There is no way you would not grow if you were taking in a high enough number of calories even if it meant you had to resort to eating less than clean calories.
Almost 90% of the time you jumped the gun to gain weight because you think your eating and training are great and truth is you dont know half or eat half what you need or could have. If I am wrong prove it.[/quote]
I was actually closer to 180lb but whatever.
Backsquat 135kg
deadlift 155kg
frontsquat 125kg
clean 110kg
jerk 100kg
bench press is weak because I didn’t train it often until recently. Remember I am talking about kilos not pounds.
They may not be the best numbers but the are executef witg perfect form lol
On a side note. Since increasing my calories I have put on a decent amount of fat. The 4000-5000cal diet people recommend while on cycle is not really working for me. I dont like not being able to see my abs. And I have had people comment that I am getting lovehandles.
dont laugh.
[quote]Reed wrote:
Because your 6’1" and weigh 170lbs man. There is no reason you could not and should not have waited to get on gear. What are your lifting maxes and be honest. There are very few and I mean very few cases where some one can not get atleast to 200lbs naturally especially at your height. There is no way you would not grow if you were taking in a high enough number of calories even if it meant you had to resort to eating less than clean calories.
Almost 90% of the time you jumped the gun to gain weight because you think your eating and training are great and truth is you dont know half or eat half what you need or could have. If I am wrong prove it.[/quote]
I was actually closer to 180lb but whatever.
Backsquat 135kg
deadlift 155kg
frontsquat 125kg
clean 110kg
jerk 100kg
bench press is weak because I didn’t train it often until recently. Remember I am talking about kilos not pounds.
They may not be the best numbers but the are executef witg perfect form lol[/quote]
As I said completely jumped the gun. You have guys in the beginners sections 20-30lbs less than you completely natural hitting the same if not better numbers.
Secondly if your able to eat enough to gain fat then your eating enough to gain muscle. Maybe not at the rate you were happy with but had plenty left in the tank. So thank you for making my point.
[quote]Reed wrote:
Because your 6’1" and weigh 170lbs man. There is no reason you could not and should not have waited to get on gear. What are your lifting maxes and be honest. There are very few and I mean very few cases where some one can not get atleast to 200lbs naturally especially at your height. There is no way you would not grow if you were taking in a high enough number of calories even if it meant you had to resort to eating less than clean calories.
Almost 90% of the time you jumped the gun to gain weight because you think your eating and training are great and truth is you dont know half or eat half what you need or could have. If I am wrong prove it.[/quote]
I was actually closer to 180lb but whatever.
Backsquat 135kg
deadlift 155kg
frontsquat 125kg
clean 110kg
jerk 100kg
bench press is weak because I didn’t train it often until recently. Remember I am talking about kilos not pounds.
They may not be the best numbers but the are executef witg perfect form lol[/quote]
As I said completely jumped the gun. You have guys in the beginners sections 20-30lbs less than you completely natural hitting the same if not better numbers.
Secondly if your able to eat enough to gain fat then your eating enough to gain muscle. Maybe not at the rate you were happy with but had plenty left in the tank. So thank you for making my point.
Have a good day.[/quote]
yeah thanks for your valuable input. You are awesome, you have a nice day too.