I’ve seen both products but not sure what the difference is… if MAG-10 contains 4-AD-EC then what’s the advantage in taking the latter alone? Also, has Biotest stopped making some of the older products like GROW (not low carb) or Androsol?
Tim Patterson and T-mag have explained all this a few times. Read his Behind the Scenes columns or call customer service.
Mag-10 is a stack of 4-AD and A1-E. While Mag-10 is certainly the more potent of the two in terms of muscle gains, taking 4-AD alone is definintely not without benefit.
Because of Mag-10 design and potentcy, it is not a good idea to stay "on" for extended periods of time, lest you cause long-term suppression of natural hormonal levels, etc. It is best to cycle it two weeks on, two off, and so forth, for a total of 8 weeks, or four "on" cycles; all while using recovery agents like Tibex and M while off.
Likewise, because 4AD is the "weaker" of the two, you can stay on it for longer periods of time; generally eight weeks "on" with no side effects at all. This is beneficial for several reasons. First off, if you're on for longer and make slow caloric increases, you can theoretically gain almost as much muscle in a single eight week 4AD cycle as you can in a single two week Mag-10 cycle. Additionally, many people get a hefty CNS effect while "on" and although the gains are slower, they enjoy that "feel good" bit of Androgenic stimulation that comes along with either Mag-10 OR 4AD, so much so that eigth weeks is better than two.
Personally, I think that 4ADs main benefit is it's use while dieting. With either Mag-10 or 4AD, you can cut cals pretty dramatically and rely on the androgen to help you preserve a very good amount of your LBM. However, you shouldn't be on Mag-10 for too long, even at only half a dose. In that case, taking a full dose of 4AD for 8 weeks while on reduced cals (especially when stacke with something like Methoxy-7) should really help you maintain the majority of your mass while losing a good deal of fat. I hope this helps.
4-AD-EC can be used for longer periods of time. Still needs cycled though. It also has great “pro-sexual” effects whereas MAG-10 only has a small sexual effect.
Bob, can you elaborate on why you feel 4-AD-EC has a great pro-sexual effect compared to MAG-10?
I felt the “pro-sexual” effect for the first week and then it went away. I wonder why. Shouldn’t it increase?