MAG-10 Pulse Fast is Here

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That’s interesting, I felt pretty sick as well. Adding up all the symptoms I just attributed it to hypoglycemia, which is what I expected. Weakness, fatigue, nausea, brain fog, hunger. Was worst midday. Let us know if bicarbonate helps.

I don’t know what effect, if any, my last few meals before the fast would have. I worked out pretty late then had a few big, carb-heavy meals.

Feeling good today though. Better than I would expect on very little sleep. I thought I would’ve crashed by now. Won’t be working out till 9, keeping my fingers crossed.

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The DMAE in the Power Drive should help with the brain fog. Maybe take some DMAE on its own if you think you want to. I’m pretty sure you should be able to take an Ibuprofen should you need it. Also I don’t know why more people aren’t using Z-12 the night of the fast. It would sort out any sleep issues for sure.

LR

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Check on all three counts. Had plenty of DMAE (which I use every day) and took a combo of 5-HTP and phenibut with a hint of melatonin. I never take Advil but I did because of unrelated pain.

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I’ll have to monitor it a little closer the next time I run the fast, but I’m fairly sure I get a head ache the day after. Last one I ran this previous Sunday and then Monday I trained heavy and really loaded on the carbs and had a terrible headache at night. I rarely ever get headaches, so I’m pretty sure it is particular to whatever happens biologically the day after my fasts. Also, I get a mad hunger and a pretty solid case of brain fog near the end of the actual fast, but those things seem like givens.

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9.37pm of the first fast, just worked out and i feel like a million bucks

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Little update…

Workout was good. Wasn’t going for any PRs (wrist is funky) but felt strong.

Interestingly enough, I didn’t crash at all yesterday. 4 hours of sleep plus tons of caffeine and/or assorted energy drinks always leads to a crash. Especially with high carb intake. But not yesterday. Would be nice to have a repeat next week, when I will certainly be in the same situation with regards to sleep.

Pretty confident that I hit my calories for the day. Will likely try to go higher on the carbs and lower on the fat next time. Nothing bloated me, which was very nice. Not bloaty this morning either.

Now, normally the day after eating big carb meals (i.e. most days) I can expect to wake up to multiple, voluminous trips to the bathroom. This time, I honestly don’t know where it all went. Chris talked about improved digestion and absorption, and my experience is consistent with that.

Weight yesterday was down maybe 3 lbs from my normal gym weight. Today was closer to 2, so I obviously haven’t gained it all back. Will see if it creeps back up by Monday, pre-fast. Would be nice to think that it’s 2 lbs of bloat, and I traded a lb of fat for a lb of muscle. :slight_smile:

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Just ordered the stuff. Encouraged by what I see here on the forum so hoping for some good results.

Tried a “poor man’s” version this week and it went well, so looking forward to the real deal.

What I did:
Substituted for MAG-10:
Whey Protein Isolate - I did not track exactly, about 15 scoops total.
BCAA’s 2.5G

Substituted for Power Drive:
3 X per day
DMAE Bitartrate 500mg
Tyrosine 3G
Lecithin 1200mg

ZMA at the end of the day

Drank lots of water all day

It worked, I was able to focus but had some spaciness at various times, did not do a workout, hunger was almost a non issue. Slept ok but not well, even with the ZMA. Lost 1 pound which could be water, no inches on waist. Slept like crap even with the ZMA

What I think was missing:
casein hydrolysate (obviously)
Probably less leucine rich than MAG-10
Alpha-GPC
Correct amount of ingredients in Power Drive…my mix was only approximate.

I did this as a test to see if I could actually go all day without eating before spending my coin on the real deal. I expect that the real pulse fast will be much better.

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its really weired how you dont actually get hungry. you may think from habit that ‘i need food now’ but there aint no stomach cramps or anything

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[quote]caveman101 wrote:
its really weired how you dont actually get hungry. you may think from habit that ‘i need food now’ but there aint no stomach cramps or anything[/quote]

Agreed, and it gets easier each time. This is my 4th fast, and it’s starting to feel like 2nd nature.

Getting leaner, and stills hitting PRs every workout

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[quote]ashylarryku wrote:
I’m not going to jump in on the debate as if I know the science behind this, because I don’t. I will say results science any day (not sure what you two are even debating lol, that’s how out I am). Yesterday was my 3rd fast (one fast every 4 days, my plan is on the previous page).

Having only dropped a few pounds, my midsection is clearly leaning up. My abs are starting to pop, I feel leaner overall, and I’m starting to get a lot of smiles while walking by ladies on campus :wink:

This is all great, because my regular days have been at or above maintenance. I’m definitely going to keep up the fasts for as long as I can afford it. The fast actually does save money if you think about it. I f you follow the whole protocol, it’s around $15 for a day of pulsing. Which is about the same as eating out for one meal.[/quote]

Congrats on the results. How are you coming up with the $15 a day? I ran the numbers and am getting more then that. Can you please explain?

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I’m getting $23.7 per pulse.

Pulse package, plus 2 extra tubs of MAG-10 = $237

If you use 9 scoops of MAG-10 per fast, and 3 scoops of PowerDrive, you can get 10 pulses.

LR

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[quote]London Runner wrote:
I’m getting $23.7 per pulse.

Pulse package, plus 2 extra tubs of MAG-10 = $237

If you use 9 scoops of MAG-10 per fast, and 3 scoops of PowerDrive, you can get 10 pulses.

LR[/quote]

The package also includes the bottle, though. So unless someone likes collecting those it ends up being cheaper to buy the three products separately (you essentially get a free bottle in the package, compared to always ordering 2+ of each):

10 MAG-10 = $18.33
2 Alpha-GPC = $2.4
4 Power Drive = $2.58

         $23.31

Or using the slightly smaller pulses:

9 MAG-10 = $16.5
2 Alpha-GPC = $2.4
3 Power Drive = $1.93

   $20.83

Math geek out.

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[quote]BiP wrote:

[quote]London Runner wrote:
I’m getting $23.7 per pulse.

Pulse package, plus 2 extra tubs of MAG-10 = $237

If you use 9 scoops of MAG-10 per fast, and 3 scoops of PowerDrive, you can get 10 pulses.

LR[/quote]

The package also includes the bottle, though. So unless someone likes collecting those it ends up being cheaper to buy the three products separately (you essentially get a free bottle in the package, compared to always ordering 2+ of each):

10 MAG-10 = $18.33
2 Alpha-GPC = $2.4
4 Power Drive = $2.58

         $23.31

Or using the slightly smaller pulses:

9 MAG-10 = $16.5
2 Alpha-GPC = $2.4
3 Power Drive = $1.93

   $20.83

Math geek out.[/quote]

lol, Nice breakdown. Pretty affordable I have to say, especially compared to the ANACONDA Protocol. I think I will give it a shot and see what type of results I get. how are you guys doing your ordering then? I am trying to figure out the most efficient way to do it so I am not having to reorder a product every week or 2. Thanks for the help guys.

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[quote]yusef wrote:

[quote]hypergainer wrote:
It worked, I was able to focus but had some spaciness at various times, did not do a workout, hunger was almost a non issue. Slept ok but not well, even with the ZMA. Lost 1 pound which could be water, no inches on waist. Slept like crap even with the ZMA

[/quote]

Thanks for posting this. What do you mean ‘it worked’? Any visible mirror difference?

Keep the results coming btw. [/quote]

Ah, sorry, my statement was not clear…probably still some brain fog today.

What I meant was that I was able to complete the protein fast AND maintain mental concentration through a workday. I honestly did not think I could do it, so wanted to try it as a test before spending the money.

I know it is not the same and I noted the main differences in my post. But I was not trying to produce the same benefits, just wanted to see if I could get through it. So I assumed for appetite that protein is protein and would take care of the hunger, and it did. I also assumed that it is mostly the DMAE that keeps the brain fog away, and the mix I used absolutely did help.

Why did I have such low confidence level? I have always had strong appetite, and that is what kills me during any calorie restriction or fasting. Fat burners make me ravenous, and suppressants are mostly ineffective for me. Especially long term like using them for weeks rather than days. Cardio makes me feel like eating a hippopotamus. So essentially, fat burning creates extreme hunger for me.

Now for the actual MAG-10 Pulse Fast, I will be looking for the actual benefits of simultaneous fat burning and muscle gain. Based on what I was able to do, I am actually pretty excited about the possibilities, and am ready to commit to 16 pulse fasts (8 weeks), which should be about $500 if my math is correct.

I will absolutely post updates throughout.

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[quote]ramathorn wrote:

[quote]BiP wrote:

[quote]London Runner wrote:
I’m getting $23.7 per pulse.

Pulse package, plus 2 extra tubs of MAG-10 = $237

If you use 9 scoops of MAG-10 per fast, and 3 scoops of PowerDrive, you can get 10 pulses.

LR[/quote]

The package also includes the bottle, though. So unless someone likes collecting those it ends up being cheaper to buy the three products separately (you essentially get a free bottle in the package, compared to always ordering 2+ of each):

10 MAG-10 = $18.33
2 Alpha-GPC = $2.4
4 Power Drive = $2.58

         $23.31

Or using the slightly smaller pulses:

9 MAG-10 = $16.5
2 Alpha-GPC = $2.4
3 Power Drive = $1.93

   $20.83

Math geek out.[/quote]

lol, Nice breakdown. Pretty affordable I have to say, especially compared to the ANACONDA Protocol. I think I will give it a shot and see what type of results I get. how are you guys doing your ordering then? I am trying to figure out the most efficient way to do it so I am not having to reorder a product every week or 2. Thanks for the help guys.
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I posted this in the V-Life forum already, but I’ll put here too. This would be the cheapest way to order it (assuming you don’t have the bottle. If you have the bottle, subtract out like $25 overall)

This is for 1 pulse fast a week for 52-weeks with 10 pulses/day and Alpha-GPC and Power Drive use only on fast days. Obviously, people use these at other times too.

Total cost: $1,155
Includes:
1 Pulse fast intro package (1 Alpha-GPC, 1 Power Drive, 1 MAG-10, Water bottle)
16 MAG-10 bottles
6 Power Drives
1 Alpha-GPC
Cost per pulse fast: ~$22.25. Savings averages about $100-$200/year depending on how you order them.

Now that ACTUAL cost, just subtract out the cost of food for that day. Most people I would guess it’s around $8-$30/day on food. The higher end if you go out to eat a lot and the lower end if you make your own food most of the time.

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[quote]ramathorn wrote:
lol, Nice breakdown. Pretty affordable I have to say, especially compared to the ANACONDA Protocol. I think I will give it a shot and see what type of results I get. how are you guys doing your ordering then? I am trying to figure out the most efficient way to do it so I am not having to reorder a product every week or 2. Thanks for the help guys.
[/quote]

I didn’t have the bottle, so I ordered the package, and 2 extra tubs of MAG-10.

LR

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If you happen to have some bulk DMAE that use anyway, and you do 7-8 scoops of MAG-10, it does indeed work out to $15/day.

So I’m thinking, the pulse fast was obviously designed by the morning and pre-workout carb crowd. But we’ve got some back-loaders here, whether they’re doing all their carbs in the later half of the day or just the post-workout window. What do you guys think of fast that goes from midday one day to midday the next, followed by a couple FINiBARs, a workout, and then carbs to high heaven?

I think Shugart mentioned something about fasting just the first half of the day, sort of a spin on the LeanGains approach. I thought I might extend this backward to a full 24 hours. It would also be preceded by a 16 hour low-carb period (sleep plus first half of day).

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I has been discussed before and said that anything that is eaten will cause an insulin response. In the post by CT it states that:

"A better approach is to pulse a complete protein. But one that is fast-absorbed enough to cause a state of hyperaminoacidemia AND release insulin. CASEIN HYDROLYSATE is the fastest absorbed protein, because it is broken into peptides, di-peptides and tri-peptides. Some info even suggest that CH is absorbed faster than free-form amino acids.

Furthermore, CH is insulinogenic, meaning that it stimulates the release of insulin. Because of these two reasons, pulsing with CH would be much more anabolic than using EAA."

Just curious, what kind of insulin response are we talking about, when compared to carbs or a real meal?

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It’s in a different class. Insulin response to carbs is biphasic. Insulin response to aminos (and I guess carb-less meals) is only the first phase. Obviously a prolonged insulin response would be very problematic without more glucose entering the bloodstream. With just the first-phase response, I imagine blood glucose does drop, but serious hypoglycemia is not an issue.

As far as the amplitude of the insulin response, pubmed returned this for “insulin response and amino acids”:

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[quote]wfifer wrote:
It’s in a different class. Insulin response to carbs is biphasic. Insulin response to aminos (and I guess carb-less meals) is only the first phase…[/quote]

This is interesting. I always thought insulin was insulin. Surprisingly I can not find much about this on the web (well, that I understand yet).

So if you can check my understanding, there are two types of insulin, a “fast” acting and an “intermediate”. Biphasic insulin seems to refer to a mix of the two insulin types. so I am not clear on a first and second phase, but more of simply two different speeds of activity.

So are you sure that the response to amino acids is the production of fast acting insulin?

And the key question: is there a difference in muscle sensitivity for each type of insulin? If muscle is more sensitive to the insulin produced by amino acids than carbs, it might change our thinking about pre and post workout supplementation. It might also help explain how pulse fasts might affect the muscle sensitivity to insulin…less “carb insulin” and more “amino insulin” in the blood stream for example, might create a favorable environment to “retrain” the body to build muscle.