[quote]caveman101 wrote:
thank fuck for that[/quote]
Haha, I’m sending you a pm man
[quote]caveman101 wrote:
i take it no black coffe or anything allowed?
did my first fast yesterday, realised at 3pm i had only been drinking 200ml every 2 hours instead of 400ml (dumbass). am i to understand that youre supposed to drink the stuff WITHOUT Power Drive after 3pm?
and the cherry flavor is egh[/quote]
Cherry? Why wasn’t I given that option?
I picked 3 Orange, 2 Berry, and 1 Grape.
LR
My 1st pulse fast results:
Had been doing a fairly low carb diet. Did fast, first time trying Power Drive. Damn that stuff is awesome. On fast day did a decent workout. Felt a bit hungry at 1:55 minute mark each pulse, right before getting to drink the next dose. By end of day was feeling a little hungry (but not too much) and looking forward to eating the next day. No problem at all with bowel movements, which can be the case for me if I drink protein shakes only for a day. Getting to sleep was a bit of a challenge (unusual) and sleeping was not bad, but not the best.
Got in two workouts the day after fast. Included Anaconda. Clean breakfast, burger an hour after workout. By evening I felt great… including increased libido. Same thing next morning.
Definitely a little less ab fat after the 2-3 day stretch (although maybe it was water in the area), and seemingly more definition in the areas I targeted during workouts.
Good enough results that I will try round 2 in a day or two. I have a feeling that a couple of rounds of this will get me right where I want to be.
[quote]wfifer wrote:
[quote]JamesBrawn007 wrote:
I’ve been following this thread and IMO there is some misconception about this protocol. The key merit of this protocol is its alleged ability to induce hyperaminoacidemia. Research appears to show that only casein hydrosylate can achieve this, and that perhaps this state can only be maintained with an absence of digesting factors, i.e. other proteins, fats, etc. Therefore, a protocol featuring only ingesting CHY may put the body into this state despite the absence of energy. This then could indeed be the holy grail of body composition = fat loss and muscle growth simultaneously.
Anyone considering this protocol should re-read CT’s early pulsing comments, which were kicking around long before the release of MAG-10, for a better understanding.
Other features, i.e. anabolic rebound effect, fat loss, etc, could as easily be achieved with far less expense by simply cutting carbs and calories.[/quote]
I think it’s the extent to which it induces the anabolic rebound and fat loss, and how quickly it’s able to do this. There’s absolutely no reason to believe that any muscle is being put on during the fast. Even the fat loss seems to come at the tail end, and I would expect more to come the next day.
I read all that stuff as CT posted it. I used other CH products before MAG-10 came out. Protein synthesis is a small piece of the puzzle. [/quote]
Actually it’s the ‘large piece of the puzzle’. Consider it this way, if fat loss and anabolic rebound were the primary goals then by ingesting, say, 800 kcals worth of protein, e.g. tuna, and little else then technically I should achieve the same outcome as the protocol. What I have described in fact closely mirrors Lyle McDonald’s Rapid Fat Loss diet programme. Therefore, it would be as effective for me, not to mention a lot cheaper, to eat a few cans of tuna instead of the protocol. I would doubtless lose weight due to the extreme caloric cut; and perhaps trigger some compensation due to the same extreme cut in energy, especially in the total absence of carbs.
The protocol is actually concerned with a greater challenge - inducing lean tissue gain via the process of hyperaminoacidemia. As stated earlier, the theory is that fast-acting complete proteins (as found in casein hydrosylate) can trigger this state and thus put you in a positive nitrogen balance. This apparently relies on the ‘peaks and valley’ effect, or protein spike. While CHY is absorbed rapidly, the effect is thought to diminish in the presence of other slower digesting foods. Therefore, the solution is to only ingest CHY over the period to ellicit these spikes and induce hyperaminoacidemia. Now, and this is the REALLY interesting part to me, if it’s possible for this state to occur despite only ingesting 800 kcals worth of CHY a day then that is something of a nutritional revelation.
I hope you appreciate my point then that this is something more than just a severe calories/carb cut programme.
[quote]London Runner wrote:
[quote]caveman101 wrote:
i take it no black coffe or anything allowed?
did my first fast yesterday, realised at 3pm i had only been drinking 200ml every 2 hours instead of 400ml (dumbass). am i to understand that youre supposed to drink the stuff WITHOUT Power Drive after 3pm?
and the cherry flavor is egh[/quote]
Cherry? Why wasn’t I given that option?
I picked 3 Orange, 2 Berry, and 1 Grape.
LR[/quote]
oh sorry, ment cherry. its just got a real weird aftertaste, still drinkable. like the end result of a ring of fire game
I did my first fast on Sunday. It was easier than I thought, until my sixteen year old daughter baked chocolate cookies at about 2:00 pm, had to leave the house.
Did my normal chest work out this morning with higher volume, felt really good.
Committed to eight weeks, 1 fast the first four and 2 the second four. Should be interesting.
Got to go eat!
[quote]JamesBrawn007 wrote:
[quote]wfifer wrote:
[quote]JamesBrawn007 wrote:
I’ve been following this thread and IMO there is some misconception about this protocol. The key merit of this protocol is its alleged ability to induce hyperaminoacidemia. Research appears to show that only casein hydrosylate can achieve this, and that perhaps this state can only be maintained with an absence of digesting factors, i.e. other proteins, fats, etc. Therefore, a protocol featuring only ingesting CHY may put the body into this state despite the absence of energy. This then could indeed be the holy grail of body composition = fat loss and muscle growth simultaneously.
Anyone considering this protocol should re-read CT’s early pulsing comments, which were kicking around long before the release of MAG-10, for a better understanding.
Other features, i.e. anabolic rebound effect, fat loss, etc, could as easily be achieved with far less expense by simply cutting carbs and calories.[/quote]
I think it’s the extent to which it induces the anabolic rebound and fat loss, and how quickly it’s able to do this. There’s absolutely no reason to believe that any muscle is being put on during the fast. Even the fat loss seems to come at the tail end, and I would expect more to come the next day.
I read all that stuff as CT posted it. I used other CH products before MAG-10 came out. Protein synthesis is a small piece of the puzzle. [/quote]
Actually it’s the ‘large piece of the puzzle’. Consider it this way, if fat loss and anabolic rebound were the primary goals then by ingesting, say, 800 kcals worth of protein, e.g. tuna, and little else then technically I should achieve the same outcome as the protocol. What I have described in fact closely mirrors Lyle McDonald’s Rapid Fat Loss diet programme. Therefore, it would be as effective for me, not to mention a lot cheaper, to eat a few cans of tuna instead of the protocol. I would doubtless lose weight due to the extreme caloric cut; and perhaps trigger some compensation due to the same extreme cut in energy, especially in the total absence of carbs.
The protocol is actually concerned with a greater challenge - inducing lean tissue gain via the process of hyperaminoacidemia. As stated earlier, the theory is that fast-acting complete proteins (as found in casein hydrosylate) can trigger this state and thus put you in a positive nitrogen balance. This apparently relies on the ‘peaks and valley’ effect, or protein spike. While CHY is absorbed rapidly, the effect is thought to diminish in the presence of other slower digesting foods. Therefore, the solution is to only ingest CHY over the period to ellicit these spikes and induce hyperaminoacidemia. Now, and this is the REALLY interesting part to me, if it’s possible for this state to occur despite only ingesting 800 kcals worth of CHY a day then that is something of a nutritional revelation.
I hope you appreciate my point then that this is something more than just a severe calories/carb cut programme.
[/quote]
So doesn’t the Power Drive kind of damper the effect of CH being very rapid digesting? The recommended 3 scoops adds 75 calories, mostly from fat.
[quote]ashylarryku wrote:
[quote]JamesBrawn007 wrote:
[quote]wfifer wrote:
[quote]JamesBrawn007 wrote:
I’ve been following this thread and IMO there is some misconception about this protocol. The key merit of this protocol is its alleged ability to induce hyperaminoacidemia. Research appears to show that only casein hydrosylate can achieve this, and that perhaps this state can only be maintained with an absence of digesting factors, i.e. other proteins, fats, etc. Therefore, a protocol featuring only ingesting CHY may put the body into this state despite the absence of energy. This then could indeed be the holy grail of body composition = fat loss and muscle growth simultaneously.
Anyone considering this protocol should re-read CT’s early pulsing comments, which were kicking around long before the release of MAG-10, for a better understanding.
Other features, i.e. anabolic rebound effect, fat loss, etc, could as easily be achieved with far less expense by simply cutting carbs and calories.[/quote]
I think it’s the extent to which it induces the anabolic rebound and fat loss, and how quickly it’s able to do this. There’s absolutely no reason to believe that any muscle is being put on during the fast. Even the fat loss seems to come at the tail end, and I would expect more to come the next day.
I read all that stuff as CT posted it. I used other CH products before MAG-10 came out. Protein synthesis is a small piece of the puzzle. [/quote]
Actually it’s the ‘large piece of the puzzle’. Consider it this way, if fat loss and anabolic rebound were the primary goals then by ingesting, say, 800 kcals worth of protein, e.g. tuna, and little else then technically I should achieve the same outcome as the protocol. What I have described in fact closely mirrors Lyle McDonald’s Rapid Fat Loss diet programme. Therefore, it would be as effective for me, not to mention a lot cheaper, to eat a few cans of tuna instead of the protocol. I would doubtless lose weight due to the extreme caloric cut; and perhaps trigger some compensation due to the same extreme cut in energy, especially in the total absence of carbs.
The protocol is actually concerned with a greater challenge - inducing lean tissue gain via the process of hyperaminoacidemia. As stated earlier, the theory is that fast-acting complete proteins (as found in casein hydrosylate) can trigger this state and thus put you in a positive nitrogen balance. This apparently relies on the ‘peaks and valley’ effect, or protein spike. While CHY is absorbed rapidly, the effect is thought to diminish in the presence of other slower digesting foods. Therefore, the solution is to only ingest CHY over the period to ellicit these spikes and induce hyperaminoacidemia. Now, and this is the REALLY interesting part to me, if it’s possible for this state to occur despite only ingesting 800 kcals worth of CHY a day then that is something of a nutritional revelation.
I hope you appreciate my point then that this is something more than just a severe calories/carb cut programme.
[/quote]
So doesn’t the Power Drive kind of damper the effect of CH being very rapid digesting? The recommended 3 scoops adds 75 calories, mostly from fat.[/quote]
It’s a valid question. This equates to 1.5g per scoop, 6g of FAT in bottle 1 (assuming 4 scoops) over a 6-7 hour period. CHY also has small amounts of fat in it, albeit less than 1g per serving. Small totals in the grand scheme of things.
[quote]JamesBrawn007 wrote:
I hope you appreciate my point then that this is something more than just a severe calories/carb cut programme.
[/quote]
Let me get out my fact sheet here…
Hyperaminoacidemia:
-Turns on protein synthesis
-Effects are short-lived, after which protein breakdown takes over
-Doesn’t actually need CH
Casein Hydrolysate:
-Causes faster onset and larger amplitude of hyperaminoacidemia
-Greater percentage of aminos lost to digestion
-Greater percentage lost to oxidation
-Greater percentage used by visceral organs
-Low percentage available for use in muscle
What is clear here is that hyperaminoacidemia is a means to an end. Yes, it increases protein synthesis, but it can only do it so often (every 4 hours IIRC). It also apparently requires another source of amino acids. This is why pulses have been used before normal meals.
If you’ve actually been following this thread, you’d notice that we’ve been discussing the possibility of CH inducing ketosis very rapidly, setting the stage for both fat loss and muscle anabolism. Basically all the benefits of a CKD while drastically reducing the time spent eating low-carb. I’ve stated all the reasons I believe this, referring to studies and, you know, actual science.
All you’ve really done so far is toss around the word “hyperaminoacidemia” which I really don’t think you understand. Give us a study or something. Some piece of data that would suggest that you can put on muscle while eating 80-100g of protein and nothing else. I appreciate discussion, but if you’re gonna walk into a thread and tell us we don’t understand what’s going on, you might want to give some evidence that you actually do.
[quote]wfifer wrote:
[quote]JamesBrawn007 wrote:
I hope you appreciate my point then that this is something more than just a severe calories/carb cut programme.
[/quote]
Let me get out my fact sheet here…
Hyperaminoacidemia:
-Turns on protein synthesis
-Effects are short-lived, after which protein breakdown takes over
-Doesn’t actually need CH
Casein Hydrolysate:
-Causes faster onset and larger amplitude of hyperaminoacidemia
-Greater percentage of aminos lost to digestion
-Greater percentage lost to oxidation
-Greater percentage used by visceral organs
-Low percentage available for use in muscle
What is clear here is that hyperaminoacidemia is a means to an end. Yes, it increases protein synthesis, but it can only do it so often (every 4 hours IIRC). It also apparently requires another source of amino acids. This is why pulses have been used before normal meals.
If you’ve actually been following this thread, you’d notice that we’ve been discussing the possibility of CH inducing ketosis very rapidly, setting the stage for both fat loss and muscle anabolism. Basically all the benefits of a CKD while drastically reducing the time spent eating low-carb. I’ve stated all the reasons I believe this, referring to studies and, you know, actual science.
All you’ve really done so far is toss around the word “hyperaminoacidemia” which I really don’t think you understand. Give us a study or something. Some piece of data that would suggest that you can put on muscle while eating 80-100g of protein and nothing else. I appreciate discussion, but if you’re gonna walk into a thread and tell us we don’t understand what’s going on, you might want to give some evidence that you actually do. [/quote]
Calm down laddie and take a sip of your whey shake! I’m well aware of what the thread is discussing. If you want to know more about rapidly inducing ketosis then I suggest you check out the Rapid Fat Loss thread.
As regards hyperaminocidemia, I know of no studies that show lean tissue gain using such methods as the MAG-10 protocol. I was merely discussing the potential based on the existing information, e.g. that fast-acting whey causes large transient hyperaminoacidemia where blood amino acids are elevated by about 300% at its peak, which is why I qualified my statement. I’m not marketing this stuff or making outrageous claims just exploring the potential.
I’m not going to jump in on the debate as if I know the science behind this, because I don’t. I will say results science any day (not sure what you two are even debating lol, that’s how out I am). Yesterday was my 3rd fast (one fast every 4 days, my plan is on the previous page).
Having only dropped a few pounds, my midsection is clearly leaning up. My abs are starting to pop, I feel leaner overall, and I’m starting to get a lot of smiles while walking by ladies on campus 
This is all great, because my regular days have been at or above maintenance. I’m definitely going to keep up the fasts for as long as I can afford it. The fast actually does save money if you think about it. I f you follow the whole protocol, it’s around $15 for a day of pulsing. Which is about the same as eating out for one meal.
MAG-10 pulsing reminds me alot of the BCAA-pulse I did during XFLD (by vince something-friend of Roman) (eXtreeme Fat Loss Diet). It lasted for one day. right after a binge day.
And yes, the 4 weeks of fatloss did work, to bad i’m fat again:p
Is it safe to say that BCAA could substitute MAG-10? to some extent or not at all in the same category?
-half
[quote]halfbreed wrote:
MAG-10 pulsing reminds me alot of the BCAA-pulse I did during XFLD (by vince something-friend of Roman) (eXtreeme Fat Loss Diet). It lasted for one day. right after a binge day.
And yes, the 4 weeks of fatloss did work, to bad i’m fat again:p
Is it safe to say that BCAA could substitute MAG-10? to some extent or not at all in the same category?
-half[/quote]
I know BCAAs aren’t even on the same level as MAG-10. With MAG-10, you’re getting more of a whole protein source (the fasted digesting as well) but BCAAs are only 3 types of proteins and probably not near as fast when digesting. Granted, you are still fasting, you’re not going to have the same effect with making peaks/valleys with your amino acid levels.
Check the LiveSpill, because I’m sure CT or Shugs have already commented on this. Do a search function though (Control+F) and type in BCAA, other wise you will be doing a lot of reading 
Post from Thibs about Amino pulsing. Written way before Anaconda was released. Thought it should be posted here.
"REGARDING ALL THE POSTS ABOUT AMINO ACID PULSING
The approach that DH talked about is pretty effective. In fact it’s something I presented a few years ago when I talked about the strategy of consuming 5-10g of BCAAs 5 times a day between meals.
However from the current research it is not the optimal approach.
YES pulsing essential amino acids or BCAAs (heck, you could pulse only leucine and it would work) is effective at initiating the protein synthesis mechanism.
HOWEVER since the EAA or BCAAs are not complete protein, protein synthesis (the actual act of building muscle) will be sub-optimal because you will not have a large amount of all the amino acids present in the blood when the protein synthesis mechanism is activated.
YES there is likely a small amount of each of the amino acids still present in the blood from the previous solid meal (which can actually be problematic… for maximum results you want to go from almost no amino acids in the blood to a ton of it real quickly) but not at levels high enough to maximize anabolism.
But the real problem is a lack of insulin release. You can stimulate the protein synthesis processes as much as you want, if you cannot transport the amino acids into the muscle, you will not be able to optimally build muscle tissue.
A better approach is to pulse a complete protein. But one that is fast-absorbed enough to cause a state of hyperaminoacidemia AND release insulin. CASEIN HYDROLYSATE is the fastest absorbed protein, because it is broken into peptides, di-peptides and tri-peptides. Some info even suggest that CH is absorbed faster than free-form amino acids.
Furthermore, CH is insulinogenic, meaning that it stimulates the release of insulin. Because of these two reasons, pulsing with CH would be much more anabolic than using EAA.
Whey hydrolysate can also do the job as it is fast enough to cause a state of hyperaminoacidemia, but the faster the better… so CH will be superior to basically anything you can find.
…contrary to what is generally believed, to maximize growth WE DO NOT WANT A CONSTANT TRICKLE OF AMINO ACIDS. This actually lead to protein oxydation and a DECREASE in protein synthesis! YES, you breakdown less muscle tissue, BUT you elevate the enzymes responsible for oxydizing (wasting) amino acids. So although you are breaking down less tissuem you are also building less tissue.
In some situations you WANT that to happen (before bedtime to avoid catabolism during the night’s fast) but if you want to build as much muscle as possible you actually want periods where there is roughly no amino acids in the blood followed by quick surges in amino acids. For maximum results both need to happen. And the more often you go from super low to super high, the more muscle you’ll build.
If you have too many solid protein, especially of the kind that is slowly digested and absorbed, you will reduce you potential muscle growth.
HOWEVER solid protein sources have the upper hand when dieting down because it will prevent muscle breakdown/loss. As a reminder, constant blood aminos = less muscle being built and less muscle being broken down… amino acid peaks and valleys = more muscle being built and potentially more muscle being broken down (this is why we also need periods where solid food is ingested).
The approach I recommend is:
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PARA-WORKOUT (this is KEY): we want a peak right before and right after training. So super fast absorbed protein like casein or whey hydrolysate is needed. If you are not dieting down, some fast-absorbed carbs will enhance the effect by stimulating the release of insulin.
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1 hour after your workout: you want a second amino peak/surge to maximize the anabolic response to training. So again, casein or whey hydrolysate.
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Immediately upon waking up: you want an amino peak/surge to quickly reverse the body’s state from catabolism to anabolism. You should actually take you casein or whey hydrolysate alone (no solid food) when you wake up, or with some carbs (if you are not dieting down). If you are on a low-carbs diet, wait 20-30minutes after your shake to have your breakfast.
These are your main pulse/surge times. Depending on when you train you might have time for another surge during the day.
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Before bed you want solid protein that is slowly absorbed to have a constant trickle of aminos during the night. YES casein MICELLAR might be slow enough, but solid food is the number one choice here.
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You can have another solid protein meal for lunch PROVIDED THAT YOUR TRAINING SESSION IS AT LEAST 3-4 HOURS AWAY.
NOTE that solid meals being constituted of rapidly absorbed protein sources like pork tenderloins and egg whites will have a lesser negative impact; they are not as likely to cause protein oxydation.
WORKOUT PROTOCOL
My protocol is as follows:
60 minutes before workout = 0.2g of BCAAs per pound
30 minutes before workout = 1 (or 2 if the volume is very high) scoop Workout fuel
During the workout = Anaconda (hopefully available soon) which does contain casein hydrolysate among other ingredients, 2-3 scoops depending on volume
Post-workout: Surge recovery 2 scoops if during a mass gaining phase, 1 scoop if during a fat loss phase
60 minutes post-workout: Anaconda 1 scoop or 20g casein hydrolysate… poor man’s version would be 1 scoop of Surge Recovery, but only if you are on a mass gaining phase… poor poor man’t version would be whey protein at 1 or 2 scoops.
SAMPLE FOR 10% BF INDIVIDUAL TRYING TO BUILD LEAN MASS
PRE-BREAKFAST
20g of casein hydrolysate
5g leucine
BREAKFAST (20-30 minutes later)
8-10 egg whites
200g berries
SNACK (3 hours after breakfast)
20g of casein hydrolysate OR 30g of whey hydrolysate
5g leucine
LUNCH (90-120 minutes after snack)
200g pork tenderloin or 10 egg whites
1 cup rice or 1 potatoe
SNACK (3 hours after snack)
20g of casein hydrolysate OR 30g of whey hydrolysate
5g leucine
DINNER
OPTION 1 (if dinner is at least 2 hours after your workout)
300g red meat
Big salad with olive oil
OPTION 2 (if dinner is prior to your workout… but in that case it has to be at least 2 hours prior)
200g pork tenderloin or 10 egg whites
1 cup rice or 1 potatoe
EVENING SNACK
2 whole eggs
100g cottage cheese or 1 scoop low-carbs Metabolic Drive
Green veggies
To that you tack on the para-workout strategy explained in my prior post.
*NOTE: someone who is LEAN (under 10%), is in a mass-gaining phase, and can’t afford or find casein hydrolysate, can use 1 scoop of SURGE RECOVERY instead of the casein hydrolysate (since SR is whey hydrolysate and some BCAAs plus some carbs).
*NOTE 2: I recommend one low-protein day per week (non-training day) where you only protein (in a signficant amount) during the last two meals of the day (solid food)."
LR
More anecdotal info:
During a ketosis diet you know you are on track when you have a specific bad breath. During my pulse fast later in the evening the bad breath was very strong - the strongest I’ve ever had it.
[quote]JamesBrawn007 wrote:
Calm down laddie and take a sip of your whey shake! I’m well aware of what the thread is discussing. If you want to know more about rapidly inducing ketosis then I suggest you check out the Rapid Fat Loss thread.
As regards hyperaminocidemia, I know of no studies that show lean tissue gain using such methods as the MAG-10 protocol. I was merely discussing the potential based on the existing information, e.g. that fast-acting whey causes large transient hyperaminoacidemia where blood amino acids are elevated by about 300% at its peak, which is why I qualified my statement. I’m not marketing this stuff or making outrageous claims just exploring the potential.[/quote]
Again, I have no problems discussing different possibilities, just with being told I’m wrong when I’m not.
I think if you look at what London Runner posted it’s in line with what I’m saying. I’ve read the whole Rapid Fat Loss manual. I understand how ketosis works, which is why I think pulse-fasting can get you there a lot faster. A fast or PSMF isn’t doing anything to actively put you in ketosis. It takes off the brakes. Spiking insulin to lower blood sugar and enter ketosis rapidly is nothing new. Obviously CH isn’t doing it to the same extent as an injection, but it’s a lot safer, completely legal, and probably muscle-sparing.
I’m on the fast right now, for the record. Feeling mildly hypoglycemic. I know they said to stay busy, but I’m awfully happy I don’t have much to do today, because it’s all taking me twice as long! Haha.
I’ve also been thinking (with my fast-addled mind), what’s the point in fasting overnight? A lot of potential danger lies in those last 8 hours. Why not include a slow digesting protein right before bed? I’m debating whether I should do it tonight.
[quote]wfifer wrote:
I’ve also been thinking (with my fast-addled mind), what’s the point in fasting overnight? A lot of potential danger lies in those last 8 hours. Why not include a slow digesting protein right before bed? I’m debating whether I should do it tonight. [/quote]
Just remember that fasting is purported to increase GH, and GH secretion is highest a couple hours after falling asleep.
My gut instinct is to dismiss that, but you may have a point. The question really is, how much would 20g of a protein blend affect GH? Would it blunt the spike or merely delay it? I ended up not veering from the original plan, because the ravenous hunger subsided. Sleep wasn’t any worse than normal.
Given how crappy I was feeling yesterday, I think I was expecting to wake up this morning with magic powers. It’s hard to justify putting yourself through something like that unless you’re either sure it’s going to work, or you get some immediate benefit. Maybe I’ll wake up tomorrow looking like a stud. But I know I’m gonna have to do this every week for a few weeks if I want to make a solid judgment.
The funny thing is, I’m honestly not hungry today. I would’ve killed a man for food yesterday, but at the moment the only reason I’m excited about tonight is that I’m gonna make myself some sushi.
Gonna treat myself to a FINiBAR or two before lifting, I’ll be curious to see how I perform…
[quote]wfifer wrote:
[quote]JamesBrawn007 wrote:
Calm down laddie and take a sip of your whey shake! I’m well aware of what the thread is discussing. If you want to know more about rapidly inducing ketosis then I suggest you check out the Rapid Fat Loss thread.
As regards hyperaminocidemia, I know of no studies that show lean tissue gain using such methods as the MAG-10 protocol. I was merely discussing the potential based on the existing information, e.g. that fast-acting whey causes large transient hyperaminoacidemia where blood amino acids are elevated by about 300% at its peak, which is why I qualified my statement. I’m not marketing this stuff or making outrageous claims just exploring the potential.[/quote]
Again, I have no problems discussing different possibilities, just with being told I’m wrong when I’m not.
I think if you look at what London Runner posted it’s in line with what I’m saying. I’ve read the whole Rapid Fat Loss manual. I understand how ketosis works, which is why I think pulse-fasting can get you there a lot faster. A fast or PSMF isn’t doing anything to actively put you in ketosis. It takes off the brakes. Spiking insulin to lower blood sugar and enter ketosis rapidly is nothing new. Obviously CH isn’t doing it to the same extent as an injection, but it’s a lot safer, completely legal, and probably muscle-sparing.
I’m on the fast right now, for the record. Feeling mildly hypoglycemic. I know they said to stay busy, but I’m awfully happy I don’t have much to do today, because it’s all taking me twice as long! Haha. [/quote]
No worries mate.
I did the first day on Monday and felt well until mid-afternoon, when I felt a headache. As the day wore on I got worse and actually dreaded another pulse. By the time I went to bed I was feeling pretty sick. Monday was an off day, which was just as well because I couldn’t have trained.
I also wondered whether the acidic nature of the protocol was contributing to this? On Tuesday (back on normal diet) I felt it a bit again in the evening but after a large dose of bicarbonate of soda I felt ok. I’ve used that before after getting the tip from Berardi and may add some to some of Thursdays pulses.