My schedule is a busy one I workout in the mornings before I go to school, how would I pulse if I workout M-TH from 8-930AM?
My first one is in full swing today.
[quote]freshandrew626 wrote:
My schedule is a busy one I workout in the mornings before I go to school, how would I pulse if I workout M-TH from 8-930AM?[/quote]
I had a similar question. Does anyone know if it is for some reason really optimal to workout in the evening on the fast, or would a morning/noon workout be fine as well?
[quote]redgladiator wrote:
[quote]redgladiator wrote:
[quote]cmryan_21 wrote:
[quote]redgladiator wrote:
I don’t mean to sound retarded but the label on the Anaconda/MAG-10 says 10g protein per scoop when you click on it. Can someone explain? I thought it was 30g Anaconda and 19g MAG-10?[/quote]
I think the label refers to complete proteins while the 30g and 19g also include amino acids which apparently don’t count towards the complete protein count. [/quote]
Both labels say MAG-10 anabolic Pulse 21.55g and protein 10g. So I still don’t understand where 30g and 19g comes from.[/quote]
I’ll ask customer service instead… No one seems to know or want to answer.[/quote]
Where are you getting the numbers 30 and 19? If you add up all the ingredients you get 33.7 g of product for ANACONDA and 21.6 g for MAG-10. The amount of that which is complete protein is 10 g in both cases. That leaves 23.7 g of non-protein ingredient in ANACONDA and 13.7 g in MAG-10. Frankly I don’t even know why this matters.
[quote]wfifer wrote:
Where are you getting the numbers 30 and 19? If you add up all the ingredients you get 33.7 g of product for ANACONDA and 21.6 g for MAG-10. The amount of that which is complete protein is 10 g in both cases. That leaves 23.7 g of non-protein ingredient in ANACONDA and 13.7 g in MAG-10. Frankly I don’t even know why this matters. [/quote]
I got my numbers 30 and 19 here, from the table:
http://www.T-Nation.com/anaconda.jsp
[quote]redgladiator wrote:
[quote]wfifer wrote:
Where are you getting the numbers 30 and 19? If you add up all the ingredients you get 33.7 g of product for ANACONDA and 21.6 g for MAG-10. The amount of that which is complete protein is 10 g in both cases. That leaves 23.7 g of non-protein ingredient in ANACONDA and 13.7 g in MAG-10. Frankly I don’t even know why this matters. [/quote]
I got my numbers 30 and 19 here, from the table:
http://www.T-Nation.com/anaconda.jsp
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As indicated in the chart, “*Anabolic Proteins value includes anabolic amino acids.”
Has the topic of gluconeogenesis been covered at all regarding the fast? My guess is that it won’t necessarily be a problem on fasting days if glycogen levels are full, but if someone did this while eating a low-carb diet, it might be a problem.
Can anyone answer if this potential issue has been addressed?
[quote]doubleh wrote:
Has the topic of gluconeogenesis been covered at all regarding the fast? My guess is that it won’t necessarily be a problem on fasting days if glycogen levels are full, but if someone did this while eating a low-carb diet, it might be a problem.
Can anyone answer if this potential issue has been addressed?[/quote]
I wanted to ask something along the lines of this in the Training Labs LiveSpill, but I can’t post in there. I’m on a very low carb diet(<50g/day), and wanted to know what the effects would be.
LR
Chris, if you’re seeing people typically lose an inch or so when they do a pulse, doesn’t that inch quickly reappear after they re-stuff themselves immediately post-fast? I would assume that a good majority of that is water and bloat that’s lost (i.e. temporary), yes?
[quote]doubleh wrote:
Has the topic of gluconeogenesis been covered at all regarding the fast? My guess is that it won’t necessarily be a problem on fasting days if glycogen levels are full, but if someone did this while eating a low-carb diet, it might be a problem.
Can anyone answer if this potential issue has been addressed?[/quote]
I have been wondering the same. I just posted your question in the Live Spill so hopefully CT or Shugs will take a stab at it
[quote]London Runner wrote:
[quote]doubleh wrote:
Has the topic of gluconeogenesis been covered at all regarding the fast? My guess is that it won’t necessarily be a problem on fasting days if glycogen levels are full, but if someone did this while eating a low-carb diet, it might be a problem.
Can anyone answer if this potential issue has been addressed?[/quote]
I wanted to ask something along the lines of this in the Training Labs LiveSpill, but I can’t post in there. I’m on a very low carb diet(<50g/day), and wanted to know what the effects would be.
LR[/quote]
This method so far has been predominantly presented as a tool to be used long term, so that would not usually fit with a super low carb diet. I suppose that the reason for who/how they are marketing the product (not a knock to Biotest) could be the reason that it is presented as a long term strategy.
I’m not adding much, but I suppose the answer could be found in how Daryl Gee did his contest prep. I never saw any details on his diet though. Did anybody else recall this?? Maybe somewhere in CT’s thread?
[quote]BulletproofTiger wrote:
[quote]London Runner wrote:
[quote]doubleh wrote:
Has the topic of gluconeogenesis been covered at all regarding the fast? My guess is that it won’t necessarily be a problem on fasting days if glycogen levels are full, but if someone did this while eating a low-carb diet, it might be a problem.
Can anyone answer if this potential issue has been addressed?[/quote]
I wanted to ask something along the lines of this in the Training Labs LiveSpill, but I can’t post in there. I’m on a very low carb diet(<50g/day), and wanted to know what the effects would be.
LR[/quote]
This method so far has been predominantly presented as a tool to be used long term, so that would not usually fit with a super low carb diet. I suppose that the reason for who/how they are marketing the product (not a knock to Biotest) could be the reason that it is presented as a long term strategy.
I’m not adding much, but I suppose the answer could be found in how Daryl Gee did his contest prep. I never saw any details on his diet though. Did anybody else recall this?? Maybe somewhere in CT’s thread?[/quote]
yes, his diet consisted of chicken and brown rice for his whole food meals, and Metabolic Drive for in between. This is how they started, and as he got more and more conditioned, they just lowered the amount of rice he was eating, and switched over to Low-Carb MD. so he ate a typical bodybuilder’s moderate carb, low fat diet
It sounds like those who are thinking about investing a nice chunk of change into this “transformation” (myself included) should wait and see what the general consensus is.
The whole point of this process is to “reprogram” and “remap” your body, in one way or another. Basically to become more adept at adding muscle mass and NOT storing fat. So doesn’t it make sense that any benefits you may get won’t be evident for at least a few weeks after your pulsing begins? When your (hopefully nutritious) diet is resumed and workouts are frequent?
[quote]bkane531 wrote:
It sounds like those who are thinking about investing a nice chunk of change into this “transformation” (myself included) should wait and see what the general consensus is.
The whole point of this process is to “reprogram” and “remap” your body, in one way or another. Basically to become more adept at adding muscle mass and NOT storing fat. So doesn’t it make sense that any benefits you may get won’t be evident for at least a few weeks after your pulsing begins? When your (hopefully nutritious) diet is resumed and workouts are frequent?[/quote]
Are you saying wait for others to try it out for a month and see how they react? I’m experimenting on myself. I already did the fast last Sunday, and might even do it this Thursday. I’m definitely doing it at least once a week for a month or two though, to see how things go. I already feel slightly leaner the few days after, and have a couple of pictures of before and after that suggest the same
[quote]doubleh wrote:
Has the topic of gluconeogenesis been covered at all regarding the fast? My guess is that it won’t necessarily be a problem on fasting days if glycogen levels are full, but if someone did this while eating a low-carb diet, it might be a problem.
Can anyone answer if this potential issue has been addressed?[/quote]
My own half-baked theory is that MAG-10 is insulinogenic, which should inhibit gluconeogenesis; and leucine (which MAG-10 is “rich” in) is ketogenic, which should keep ketosis going.
Even though I think real-world results trump all else, I liked this place a lot more when someone was at least trying to explain them with scientific jargon instead of buzzwords.
Im doing it twice a week so Ill post my results probly a couple months from now.
[quote]ashylarryku wrote:
[quote]bkane531 wrote:
It sounds like those who are thinking about investing a nice chunk of change into this “transformation” (myself included) should wait and see what the general consensus is.
The whole point of this process is to “reprogram” and “remap” your body, in one way or another. Basically to become more adept at adding muscle mass and NOT storing fat. So doesn’t it make sense that any benefits you may get won’t be evident for at least a few weeks after your pulsing begins? When your (hopefully nutritious) diet is resumed and workouts are frequent?[/quote]
Are you saying wait for others to try it out for a month and see how they react? I’m experimenting on myself. I already did the fast last Sunday, and might even do it this Thursday. I’m definitely doing it at least once a week for a month or two though, to see how things go. I already feel slightly leaner the few days after, and have a couple of pictures of before and after that suggest the same[/quote]
i’m just sayin, to those of you who are unsure whether to get the pack or not and to those who aren’t happy with their results after the first or second time, maybe this thing is legit and just takes, like a bunch of you guys have outlined, a month+ of pulses to cause real change.
[quote]bkane531 wrote:
[quote]ashylarryku wrote:
[quote]bkane531 wrote:
It sounds like those who are thinking about investing a nice chunk of change into this “transformation” (myself included) should wait and see what the general consensus is.
The whole point of this process is to “reprogram” and “remap” your body, in one way or another. Basically to become more adept at adding muscle mass and NOT storing fat. So doesn’t it make sense that any benefits you may get won’t be evident for at least a few weeks after your pulsing begins? When your (hopefully nutritious) diet is resumed and workouts are frequent?[/quote]
Are you saying wait for others to try it out for a month and see how they react? I’m experimenting on myself. I already did the fast last Sunday, and might even do it this Thursday. I’m definitely doing it at least once a week for a month or two though, to see how things go. I already feel slightly leaner the few days after, and have a couple of pictures of before and after that suggest the same[/quote]
i’m just sayin, to those of you who are unsure whether to get the pack or not and to those who aren’t happy with their results after the first or second time, maybe this thing is legit and just takes, like a bunch of you guys have outlined, a month+ of pulses to cause real change.[/quote]
I agree
Ive done something like this fast a few times and it works. I did the eat stop eat approach. The main benefit I saw from it was that I would gain muscle but no fat shortly after the fast (which will cause a drop in bf %)Just have faith in it. They are right though, the effect of the fast is temporary so you have to keep it up.
From personal experience the effects of the fast are strong the first two days after the fast and taper the third day. There might be effects for up to a week but personally I don’t notice them but that doesn’t mean they aren’t there.
[quote]wfifer wrote:
[quote]doubleh wrote:
Has the topic of gluconeogenesis been covered at all regarding the fast? My guess is that it won’t necessarily be a problem on fasting days if glycogen levels are full, but if someone did this while eating a low-carb diet, it might be a problem.
Can anyone answer if this potential issue has been addressed?[/quote]
My own half-baked theory is that MAG-10 is insulinogenic, which should inhibit gluconeogenesis; and leucine (which MAG-10 is “rich” in) is ketogenic, which should keep ketosis going.
Even though I think real-world results trump all else, I liked this place a lot more when someone was at least trying to explain them with scientific jargon instead of buzzwords.[/quote]
I could be (seriously) wrong, but I doubt that the overall thermogenic potential of this protocol is the reason that it is effective. I think that the effectiveness of “Pulse Fasting” is that it profoundly improves insulin sensitivity, which lasts for several days thereafter. In my humble opinion (without further research) “resetting insulin sensitivity” is by far the most important thing the protocol can boast. Burning fat is nothing new obviously, but dramatically increasing a muscles sensitivity to insulin is.
I am not saying that burning fat on this protocol doesn’t happen, just that it is a side effect of 1) dramatically improving insulin sensitivity, 2) going ketogenic in a hurry, 3) staying anabolic in a caloric deficit (with hormones optimized).
Edit: took out the word “NOT” from the first sentence because i didn’t mean for there to be a double negative 