MAG-10 Pulse Fast is Here

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[quote]MAF14 wrote:

[quote]Darkane wrote:
I just finished my third Fast yesterday.

All three times was just 8 pulses MAG-10 with out Alpha-GPC and Power Drive.

Seems to bring me back to my “set point” so to speak.

After every pulse without fail I’ve returned to 230lbs. today was 230.5 but that could be half a piss or whatever.

Throughout this month I’ve gotten stronger, while remaining at the same weight - so less sloppy overall.

Do I look and feel leaner? No, but stronger at the same weight. I’ll take it.

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how have you been doing Dark?

still working with shelby?

you ever get rid of that stubborn stomach (and i think hip) fat?[/quote]

Hey,

Well I’m still “officially” with him, but havent worked with him in like 3 months :slight_smile:

I bought a year but I wanted to use the Anaconda protocol and Thibs methods. But I plan to cut again Jan 1st or so, and I’ll get Shelby to do it I suppose.

I wasn’t thrilled with my results but I bought another year because I felt it was the only thing to do.

I didn’t get rid of the fat, my body quit so it seemed and I didn’t lose anymore my 13-16 weeks.

Regardless after my cut I went to Greece for a vacation with my cousins and family and put on 18 pounds in 13 days. So I decided to bulk because it crushed me Mentally.

Whats new with you?

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[quote]Fotress wrote:

[quote]chimera182 wrote:

[quote]Fotress wrote:

[quote]London Runner wrote:

[quote]chimera182 wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]chimera182 wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
anyone in here have any before and after pictures? From what I’ve read… doesnt sound worth it at all. people losing 3-4 lbs… not that impressive considering you’re on a fast. You’re not eating anything, of course you’re going to lose weight lol.

I’m sure it has good effects but if it was working so great you’d think there would be AT LEAST ONE set of before and after pictures somewhere?[/quote]

I’ve been taking weekly pics and have a new one up on my hub, and an arm shot in the 18 inch arm thread. Waist is down and arms are bigger since the RFL.[/quote]

I saw your arm pic… lookin solid. But you’re already dieting so it’d be hard to tell if the weight was from your current diet/caloric deficit or if its from the Pulse Fast right?

I mean you were already dropping weight like crazy before this thing came out[/quote]

Thanks and you’re right, I guess the only benefit is that I get to eat more on the non pulse fast days. I think the RFL is faster in terms of weight loss, but this seems easier mentally.[/quote]

I think the key point is being missed by greg. Yes you’ve dropped weight, and were dropping weight already on the RFL, but that can not account for the GAIN in arm measurement while on a caloric deficit. You’re dieting, and putting on muscle, that’s where the magic lies.

LR[/quote]

Ah, chimera. since you’re dieting, how’s your eating on non-pulse fast days?[/quote]

About 2500-3000 calories from chicken, ground beef, rice, tuna, avocados, shrimp, peanut butter, a workout shake and protein powder. I eat about 2000 of those calories around my workout, mostly right after.[/quote]

can i assume thats under/around maintainence calories for you?[/quote]

Yup, it’s around maintenance if not a bit above.

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My early observations about this protocol is that it appears useful while on a lean mass programme. I have switched to a more traditional bodybuilding diet focussing on higher clean carb intake from things like rice and fruits, while dropping fat intake. For years I have followed mainly low carb eating but I feel I have added some strength and mass in the 3 weeks I have used the protocol (on a twice-weekly basis). I am assuming the low kcal/carb days are lending themselves to some type of supercompensation post-fast, while the fast days themselves may contribute to the lean gains via the process of hyperaminoacidemia. As stated in earlier posts, the bonus for me has been the ability to not only function as normal during the fasts but actually train as normal.

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[quote]Darkane wrote:

[quote]MAF14 wrote:

[quote]Darkane wrote:
I just finished my third Fast yesterday.

All three times was just 8 pulses MAG-10 with out Alpha-GPC and Power Drive.

Seems to bring me back to my “set point” so to speak.

After every pulse without fail I’ve returned to 230lbs. today was 230.5 but that could be half a piss or whatever.

Throughout this month I’ve gotten stronger, while remaining at the same weight - so less sloppy overall.

Do I look and feel leaner? No, but stronger at the same weight. I’ll take it.

[/quote]

how have you been doing Dark?

still working with shelby?

you ever get rid of that stubborn stomach (and i think hip) fat?[/quote]

Hey,

Well I’m still “officially” with him, but havent worked with him in like 3 months :slight_smile:

I bought a year but I wanted to use the Anaconda protocol and Thibs methods. But I plan to cut again Jan 1st or so, and I’ll get Shelby to do it I suppose.

I wasn’t thrilled with my results but I bought another year because I felt it was the only thing to do.

I didn’t get rid of the fat, my body quit so it seemed and I didn’t lose anymore my 13-16 weeks.

Regardless after my cut I went to Greece for a vacation with my cousins and family and put on 18 pounds in 13 days. So I decided to bulk because it crushed me Mentally.

Whats new with you?[/quote]

Shit man, you have some good patience/dedication… that’s definitely gonna work to your advantage.

i think i mentioned it before but have/are you considering lipo? if i went through everything you did to get rid of those i would have done that months ago (i know, im a pussy but whatever…)

as for me…

i only lost 10 pounds in my 12 weeks w/ shelby (also i started with carbs then went down to trace so im not sure how much was water) and i got blood tests done that showed i had low test. something like 260 ng/dl of total test and after fighting with my mother and being blown off by my normal doc because i am in “the normal range” im finally going to see a HRT specialist next friday

when i had MAG-10 i was doing just MAG-10 (no PD or Alpha-GPC) pulse fasts but now im using a different CH for money reasons.

i’ve been “bulking” since the beginning of sept usually 3000 to 3500 cals on WO days but on two-a-days (day after pulses) i might go up to or over 5000 (i really have no idea i just eat A LOT of lean meats, peanut butter, EVOO and eggs. and then i use whey, SWOF and CH para workout

this morning im weighing 205.5 (lifted twice yesterday) and in the mornings im looking slightly leaner in the upper abs.

as far as training goes, im back to traditional BB after using CT’s methods for a good 9 months. im getting stronger in nearly all my lifts but cant really tell if im getting bigger… i think the low test is the cause of that… so fucking frusturating, i cant lose fat OR put on muscle

also it sucks b/c i miss out on a lot of social stuff (i go to a bar-school basically) so i always have to mkae excuses to my friends why im not going out with them

anyway thats me… /hijack

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I did my first fast day last Thursday.
I had no other supps outside of the pulse fast. I was pretty busy all day at work and at home which was good. Felt hungry a few times but it was usually about time for another pulse. In the afternoon I had 1 cup of green tea.

I performed a neural charge workout. 9 circuits in 30 minutes of:
Box Jumps x 5
Hang Clean from Blocks x 3
Med Ball Slams x 5
Fat Bar Floor Press with Chains x 3

I had no problems sleeping. The next morning I was down 4lbs and 1/2 inch on the waist. The weight loss was temporary. I’m in a mass phase and plan on using the protocol 1 day per week. It will obviously take awhile to fully evaluate the protocol but thus far I like it. Kind of weird to not eat for a whole day, leaves time to get things done.

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[quote]gregron wrote:
anyone in here have any before and after pictures? From what I’ve read… doesnt sound worth it at all. people losing 3-4 lbs… not that impressive considering you’re on a fast. You’re not eating anything, of course you’re going to lose weight lol.

I’m sure it has good effects but if it was working so great you’d think there would be AT LEAST ONE set of before and after pictures somewhere?[/quote]

Its almost impossible to take before and after photots… I imagine most people are going to be doing the 1 day per week option, and if they are already dieting they should be losing weight anyway, in which case you will be seeing MAINLY the results of their diet.

If they are on a weight gain diet, there would be no way to differentiate how they would have looked without doing the pulse fasting.

Pics of this particular protocol are almost impossible unless you did it on a large scale and compared like 4-6 groups of people together. It would take hundreds of people to make a convincing “study”

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I am guessing that the novelty of the pulse fast protocol may be wearing off judging by the lack of recent input into this thread.
I completed another week this week, although just the Monday because due to work arrangements, etc, pulsing Thursday would have probably been counter-productive.
I am 5lbs heavier since embarking on this and am still making gains in small increments on most lifts at the gym. I have switched into a more traditional bodybuilding diet using more clean carbs and less fat. Peri-workout has not altered. I’m under no illusion that some of the scale gain is undoubtly as a result of carb intake but I’m still pleased with the response.

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I’ve had the pulse in my cart several times, but haven’t coerced myself into pulling the trigger yet. I think the instant results it provides has muddied the true intention of the protocol. Even so, a lot of people who bought the pulse package have gone through a few of the pulses. I’m interested to hear more from those people about whether they think it’s worth the cash or not.

At this juncture, I think I would only buy the protocol if I were also combining it with an abbreviated version of the V-Diet or another similarly-minded fat loss diet. Like others have mentioned, it seems like it’d be tough to gauge the effectiveness of this if you were in a mass phase.

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[quote]BrickCallahan wrote:
it seems like it’d be tough to gauge the effectiveness of this if you were in a mass phase.[/quote]

It is hard because you have to be realistic and give it a proper trial run. I’m guessing a similar analogy applies to taking performance enhancers: yes, you may get an instant improvement but the gains are going to come in weeks or months not days.

Recently I have become a lot more relaxed in my approach. I have trained at 9pm after ingesting 400 kcals that day on the protocol with good intensity and no negeative effects. Would this work over a longer term? Who knows but as long as you rely on an intuitive approach (after all who knows your body better than yourself) then you shouldn’t make too many mistakes.

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[quote]JamesBrawn007 wrote:
I am guessing that the novelty of the pulse fast protocol may be wearing off…[/quote]

I was thinking the same thing. Still not one set of before and after pictures?

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]JamesBrawn007 wrote:
I am guessing that the novelty of the pulse fast protocol may be wearing off…[/quote]

I was thinking the same thing. Still not one set of before and after pictures?[/quote]

I put up pics.

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[quote]chimera182 wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]JamesBrawn007 wrote:
I am guessing that the novelty of the pulse fast protocol may be wearing off…[/quote]

I was thinking the same thing. Is Chimera the only one getting results and willing to post a set of before and after pictures? :slight_smile: [/quote]

I put up pics.[/quote]

chimmy… you’re the exception to the rule brah! :slight_smile: let me edit my post

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]chimera182 wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]JamesBrawn007 wrote:
I am guessing that the novelty of the pulse fast protocol may be wearing off…[/quote]

I was thinking the same thing. Is Chimera the only one getting results and willing to post a set of before and after pictures? :slight_smile: [/quote]

I put up pics.[/quote]

chimmy… you’re the exception to the rule brah! :slight_smile: let me edit my post[/quote]

Haha, sorry I’ll take em down just for yous!

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[quote]chimera182 wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]JamesBrawn007 wrote:
I am guessing that the novelty of the pulse fast protocol may be wearing off…[/quote]

I was thinking the same thing. Still not one set of before and after pictures?[/quote]

I put up pics.[/quote]

where did you put up your before and after pics? i just skimmed this thread for them

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[quote]trueblue316 wrote:

[quote]chimera182 wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]JamesBrawn007 wrote:
I am guessing that the novelty of the pulse fast protocol may be wearing off…[/quote]

I was thinking the same thing. Still not one set of before and after pictures?[/quote]

I put up pics.[/quote]

where did you put up your before and after pics? i just skimmed this thread for them[/quote]

http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/diet_performance_nutrition_supplements/rapid_fat_loss_40?id=4101484&pageNo=2

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I posted this in the LiveSpill also, I’ve been fasting twice a week for a month now, I wanted to see what kind of results I could get on body comp fasting on mon and thur and eating normal the rest of the week. I measured body comp on the first fasting day by BOD POD BW:249, BF%:28.8 Fat Mass:71.6lbs Lean Mass: 177.3lbs. Today I measured again with the BOD POD BW:239lbs BF%:25.6 Fat Mass :61.3lbs lean mass: 178.4lbs. Just wanted to share the results

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[quote]POSTAL821 wrote:
I posted this in the LiveSpill also, I’ve been fasting twice a week for a month now, I wanted to see what kind of results I could get on body comp fasting on mon and thur and eating normal the rest of the week. I measured body comp on the first fasting day by BOD POD BW:249, BF%:28.8 Fat Mass:71.6lbs Lean Mass: 177.3lbs. Today I measured again with the BOD POD BW:239lbs BF%:25.6 Fat Mass :61.3lbs lean mass: 178.4lbs. Just wanted to share the results[/quote]

I’d say losing 10 pounds while gaining a pound of muscle is a pretty good thing :slight_smile:

Thanks for sharing, buddy. Keep it up!

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[quote]POSTAL821 wrote:
I posted this in the LiveSpill also, I’ve been fasting twice a week for a month now, I wanted to see what kind of results I could get on body comp fasting on mon and thur and eating normal the rest of the week. I measured body comp on the first fasting day by BOD POD BW:249, BF%:28.8 Fat Mass:71.6lbs Lean Mass: 177.3lbs. Today I measured again with the BOD POD BW:239lbs BF%:25.6 Fat Mass :61.3lbs lean mass: 178.4lbs. Just wanted to share the results[/quote]

At your weight and body comp a 10lb fat loss in that period is pretty standard. However, assuming your stats are accurate, a net lean mass gain at the same time is pretty impressive. Don’t know what your diet looks like outside of the fast either. All in all, good work. Stick with it.

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I’ve done this a handful of times now, with each fast getting progressively easier and me being noticeably leaner.

But my biggest like is how I feel. I felt unexpectedly awesome the first few times around. I’ve come to expect it and have likely grown accustomed to it, but the first experiences were pretty cool.

Anyway, that’s what I got. I’ve shied away from detailed tracking for now because I have a tendency to obsess, so forgive me for not having solid figures.

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[quote]SBT wrote:
I’ve done this a handful of times now, with each fast getting progressively easier and me being noticeably leaner.

But my biggest like is how I feel. I felt unexpectedly awesome the first few times around. I’ve come to expect it and have likely grown accustomed to it, but the first experiences were pretty cool.

Anyway, that’s what I got. I’ve shied away from detailed tracking for now because I have a tendency to obsess, so forgive me for not having solid figures.[/quote]

how many is a handful of times and over what kind of time frame are we talking about here? (serious question. not asking to be a dick or anything cause it kinda sounds that way i think?)