Just wonderin how to use those products as stand alone products, my budget won’t allow to buy the entire protocol ( actually international shipping is killing me) so i was wonderin how to use those products outside the protocol ( i’m already havin GPC and BCAA+SWO pre-workout and whey post workout)
I believe the MAG-10 has been mentioned as being able to be more of a stand-alone product.
Post work out i guess? Was wonderin if ANACONDA as a stand-alone product could be a good intra workout drink
The confounding issue here is that MAG-10 protein is an ingredient in ANACONDA.
MAG-10 protein probably gives you some flexibility that you can use it multiple ways. ANACONDA seems like it would work well as a workout drink, but pretty horribly any other time.
If you’ve got Surge Workout Fuel, that’s got carbs and beta alanine (and more citrulline malate), you could possibly add MAG-10 to that and see what happens.
It just depends on how you want to use each product…
wasnt it originally designed as a stand alone product? i don’t see why it has to be used with 6 million other things for it to work
[quote]kinghandle wrote:
Post work out i guess? Was wonderin if ANACONDA as a stand-alone product could be a good intra workout drink[/quote]
intra workout would be a good idea.
Off the bat, I’ll agree that ANACONDA is meant to be used intra-workout, and that MAG-10 is to pulse throughout the day. I would imagine though that if cost is that serious an issue, that you could make use of the MAG-10 peri-workout as well. The general impression seems to be that the ANACONDA contains Mag10 (casein hydrolysate) as well as beta-alanine and all sorts of ‘other goodies’. Sure the ANACONDA would be a better alternative, but Casein Hydrolysate would certainly be a plus during a training session as well.
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[quote]kinghandle wrote:
Just wonderin how to use those products as stand alone products, my budget won’t allow to buy the entire protocol ( actually international shipping is killing me) so i was wonderin how to use those products outside the protocol ( i’m already havin GPC and BCAA+SWO pre-workout and whey post workout)[/quote]
You’ll likely get more specific recommendations if you tell us what you are trying to accomplish and layout the products you currently use and when you take them.
i ran a search on modified protocols, and this one seemed the most relevant…
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
Off the bat, I’ll agree that ANACONDA is meant to be used intra-workout, and that MAG-10 is to pulse throughout the day. I would imagine though that if cost is that serious an issue, that you could make use of the MAG-10 peri-workout as well. The general impression seems to be that the ANACONDA contains Mag10 (casein hydrolysate) as well as beta-alanine and all sorts of ‘other goodies’. Sure the ANACONDA would be a better alternative, but Casein Hydrolysate would certainly be a plus during a training session as well.
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stu, what would your thoughts be on a poor man’s protocol such as:
-60: 1 scoop Power Drive
-30: 2 FINiBARs, 2g creatine mono
-10: 1/4 of 2 scoops MAG-10
intra: other 3/4 of MAG-10
+40: 50g whey, 2g creatine mono
+80: meal
i will be given clearance to lift in a few weeks (finally!) following a pair of surgeries earlier this summer. i want to jump start the muscle recovery as best as possible, but the Anaconda protocol is just too expensive for me.
the level people overthink this crap kills me…do we really beleive that the timing down to the minute makes fuck all difference? QUANTIFY IT…it does not. MAG-10 is basically an improved pepto pro which has been used forever in BB circles. And wheteher you take it at -10 or while you are starting your wrokout is really a ridiculouos point.
I swear if people put half the effort into their lifting that they do in trying to design a “magical” supplement protocol they would be shocked at their progress. Just take two or three scoops of MAG-10 throw in creatine 5-10 grams drink during workout…follow workout with whey isolate follow with good solid meal…done…its not rocket science
If everyone that is spending thousands on esoteric supplement plans just stopped taking them do you REALLY think they would suddenly lose muscle??? i seriously doubt it , we have created a group of people that seriously concern themselves with the fact that they consumed their protein at +30 instead of +45 or some shit…damn no one who is actually competeing in bodybuilding does this crap…but around here they act like if you don;t you will never gain an ounce of muscle.
[quote]morepain wrote:
the level people overthink this crap kills me…do we really beleive that the timing down to the minute makes fuck all difference? QUANTIFY IT…it does not. MAG-10 is basically an improved pepto pro which has been used forever in BB circles. And wheteher you take it at -10 or while you are starting your wrokout is really a ridiculouos point.
I swear if people put half the effort into their lifting that they do in trying to design a “magical” supplement protocol they would be shocked at their progress. Just take two or three scoops of MAG-10 throw in creatine 5-10 grams drink during workout…follow workout with whey isolate follow with good solid meal…done…its not rocket science
If everyone that is spending thousands on esoteric supplement plans just stopped taking them do you REALLY think they would suddenly lose muscle??? i seriously doubt it , we have created a group of people that seriously concern themselves with the fact that they consumed their protein at +30 instead of +45 or some shit…damn no one who is actually competeing in bodybuilding does this crap…but around here they act like if you don;t you will never gain an ounce of muscle. [/quote]
I agree completely…this also usually comes from the smallest members here and the weakest. I drink MAG-10 throughout the day and am glad they released it as a product. I have made clear visible progress since using these supplements and I still have yet to make things anywhere near this complicated.
[quote]morepain wrote:
the level people overthink this crap kills me…do we really beleive that the timing down to the minute makes fuck all difference? QUANTIFY IT…it does not. MAG-10 is basically an improved pepto pro which has been used forever in BB circles. And wheteher you take it at -10 or while you are starting your wrokout is really a ridiculouos point.
I swear if people put half the effort into their lifting that they do in trying to design a “magical” supplement protocol they would be shocked at their progress. Just take two or three scoops of MAG-10 throw in creatine 5-10 grams drink during workout…follow workout with whey isolate follow with good solid meal…done…its not rocket science
If everyone that is spending thousands on esoteric supplement plans just stopped taking them do you REALLY think they would suddenly lose muscle??? i seriously doubt it , we have created a group of people that seriously concern themselves with the fact that they consumed their protein at +30 instead of +45 or some shit…damn no one who is actually competeing in bodybuilding does this crap…but around here they act like if you don;t you will never gain an ounce of muscle. [/quote]
I agree completely. If I was making money off my physique then maybe, MAYBE, I would be a little more concerned about precision timing. The blocks of time labeled before, during, and after have much more meaning to me.
cuz i obviously would be whipping out a stop watch so i know when eat the FINiBARs… since i was clearly too specific, what are your guys’ thoughts on a more ambiguous protocol like this:
about an hour before the start of my workout, since i normally wake up at 7 and workout at 8: about 1 scoop of Power Drive. i like it for morning workouts.
after i finish the Power Drive, put my contacts in, get dressed, flip on sportscenter, etc, normally 20 or 30 minutes later: 2 FINiBARs, about 2g creatine mono… i likely won’t finish these the same minutes that i start them. FINiBARs taste great, are calorically dense, and don’t make me want to wretch when lifting.
on my way to the gym: start drinking about 2 scoops MAG-10
during my workout: finish MAG-10
after i stretch, walk home, shower, normally 30-40 minutes after the end of my workout: 2 scoops whey, about 2g creatine mono
after i sit around, delete emails, usually take a dump, etc: solid meal
after you likely bitch about this rather than being helpful, let’s all go to the anaconda protocol discussion and bitch at the T-Nation staff for being too specific with their protocol. jesus.
[quote]E99_Curt wrote:
cuz i obviously would be whipping out a stop watch so i know when eat the FINiBARs… since i was clearly too specific, what are your guys’ thoughts on a more ambiguous protocol like this:
about an hour before the start of my workout, since i normally wake up at 7 and workout at 8: about 1 scoop of Power Drive. i like it for morning workouts.
after i finish the Power Drive, put my contacts in, get dressed, flip on sportscenter, etc, normally 20 or 30 minutes later: 2 FINiBARs, about 2g creatine mono… i likely won’t finish these the same minutes that i start them. FINiBARs taste great, are calorically dense, and don’t make me want to wretch when lifting.
on my way to the gym: start drinking about 2 scoops MAG-10
during my workout: finish MAG-10
after i stretch, walk home, shower, normally 30-40 minutes after the end of my workout: 2 scoops whey, about 2g creatine mono
after i sit around, delete emails, usually take a dump, etc: solid meal
after you likely bitch about this rather than being helpful, let’s all go to the anaconda protocol discussion and bitch at the T-Nation staff for being too specific with their protocol. jesus.[/quote]
I don’t know, that sounds good to me. Honestly I think its easier for us to be helpful when you frame it like this since we know approximate time of day, what you’ve eaten thus far, and what your plan is.
I always considered the specific timing plans more geared around elite athletes who can breathe, eat, and sleep their sport. For the rest of us it really is easier for us to help when it isn’t regurgitated timing plans that mean nothing to us.
MAG-10 dosing sounds good with whey a little after you get back. I’ve personally found the Finibars to be adequate meal replacements for breakfast as you listed, so I think you’ll be happy with that.
thanks for the reply chris. i think that is what i’ll try once i’m back up to 100%.
and i apologize for my smart-ass-ness… probably a bit uncalled for. it just sometimes seems like if someone asks a simple question, they are told to use the search function, and if the question is at all complicated, they are told to just stick to the basics and bust ass in the gym. while i agree with both sentiments, there is a time and a place for each. it would defeat the point of an interactive message board if only 2 blanket responses were required.
[quote]E99_Curt wrote:
thanks for the reply chris. i think that is what i’ll try once i’m back up to 100%.
and i apologize for my smart-ass-ness… probably a bit uncalled for. it just sometimes seems like if someone asks a simple question, they are told to use the search function, and if the question is at all complicated, they are told to just stick to the basics and bust ass in the gym. while i agree with both sentiments, there is a time and a place for each. it would defeat the point of an interactive message board if only 2 blanket responses were required.[/quote]
Not making enough progress overall despite how much you discuss it defeats the point of an interactive message board.
Most of the guys telling you to stick to the basics have made more progress than the guys making this extra complicated.
That isn’t just coincidence.
I am also not saying that it is wrong to have any sort of schedule when it comes to what you eat, but more times than not it seems like there isn’t enough muscle being built around this board to justify the extreme OCD stance on some of this stuff.
If the people around here were all looking like NPC competitors or professional football players then it would make more sense.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Not making enough progress overall despite how much you discuss it defeats the point of an interactive message board.
Most of the guys telling you to stick to the basics have made more progress than the guys making this extra complicated.
That isn’t just coincidence.
I am also not saying that it is wrong to have any sort of schedule when it comes to what you eat, but more times than not it seems like there isn’t enough muscle being built around this board to justify the extreme OCD stance on some of this stuff.
If the people around here were all looking like NPC competitors or professional football players then it would make more sense.[/quote]
I agree with what you’re saying, and I definitely respect the progress made by guys like you and Stu. Since I haven’t lifted since May 20th on account of a pair of heart surgeries (aside from what I’m allowed to do… leg extensions/curls, BW and seated calf stuff, BW squats), I definitely have had some spare time to break character and nitpick details. Once I am fully back into my lifting routine and the school year starts up, I will likely agree with the keeping it simple mantra even more. The use of specific minutes in my proposed protocol was the result of reading a lot of threads about the anaconda protocol and the desire to regain lost muscle as quickly as possible in a few months when I can push myself on big lifts like presses and deads without fear of aggravating my split sternum or newly implanted pacemaker.
I think everybody is just wired different. For some people, the simple approach is the best, for some people, getting into the details helps keep them motivated. They are busting ass in the gym, but they need to have something to keep there mind into it the other 23 hours of the day. Just my perspective.