This article has descended into farce.
[quote]texas man wrote:
[quote]johnflower wrote:
[quote]harper2704 wrote:
No I would not recommend squatting to bring up someone’s lats, all I was saying is they have involvement in that particular lift and so will become more adept at stabilising and supporting a heavy load.
Each muscle has a primary purpose. Work it using that primary purpose through its full range and its going to grow.[/quote]
Yogi, this is very similar to the point that I’m making. knokkelezoute73 also made a similar argument above. Squats are not the best method for growing lats. They do make a significant contribution. They are helpful because the lats are loaded, and with the application of progressive overload, will grow. Size is a by product of getting stronger. The application of this theory is that if you have to choose a leg exercise, say between Leg Press, Front Squat, and Back Squat, choose Back Squat because it will contribute more than the other two. Going through each lift in your routine and working out if it can be switched for one which will involve more lats may be helpful. Note the word MAY, this is not the same as WILL. Maximise opportunities to load the muscle.
An example of this total load approach MIGHT be that one persons lats are built:-
25% Pullups
15% Barbell Rows
15% Deadlifts
12% Pulldowns
10% Cleans
10% Dumbbell rows
7% Squats
5% Pullovers
1% Farmers Walks
Now take squats out of that and replace them with leg press and BANG! you’ve reduced your opportunity to load the lats by whatever percentage squats actually help. Perhaps you’re squatting, perhaps you’re not. You need to supply more information for advice to be tailored to your circumstance.
Caveats, I used imaginary numbers. The order may also be different.[/quote]
Bruh, just let him flyyyyyyyy[/quote]
He’s a peacock, you gotta let him fly
[quote]Yogi wrote:
I don’t bent press either[/quote]
That’s not all your fault. Nobody’s ever gotten around to writing a really good ‘how-to’ article. 
[quote]harper2704 wrote:
This article has descended into farce.[/quote]
Does that mean we can talk about your tattoo now? I just need to know why, with your entire body available, you got a quote about deadlifts right where the bar goes when you squat.
My arms are pretty much full of ink.
it’s at a level where it’s in most people’s eyeline. I wanted it on my back. And I wasn’t going to sully Jon palls memory by getting a tramp stamp of his quote so it went where it is.
Happy?
[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
[quote]Yogi wrote:
I don’t bent press either[/quote]
That’s not all your fault. Nobody’s ever gotten around to writing a really good ‘how-to’ article.
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So when should we be expecting one Chris?
[quote]harper2704 wrote:
This article has descended into farce.[/quote]
I’m entertained.
S
I think Chris will post up the guide once he has completed his musings on “better places I could have located my sigmarsson tribute tattoo”
Stu, popcorn time?
I’m off to the gym now. It’s squat o’clock. Time for that tattoo to earn some more corn and support the barbell
[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
[quote]Yogi wrote:
I don’t bent press either[/quote]
That’s not all your fault. Nobody’s ever gotten around to writing a really good ‘how-to’ article.
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don’t be coy with me you little tart
[quote]johnflower wrote:
Stu, popcorn time?[/quote]
No John. No one wants to have popcorn with you. Go away.
Yogi,did this thread offer any advice that you tried? Are the lower lats improving? Just curious to know the progress you made in half a year. I am sure you’re aware that lat pull downs are probably going to pre exhaust your grip,forearms and biceps more than your lats. I am sure that.you have also tried palms facing you(supinated) grip pulldowns,as these take your lats thru the longest range of motion.
Regardless,I hope you’re progressing well. If I ran out of options to widen my lats, I would probably try to make my waste smaller,but you’re ahead of me there,cuz you got veins in your abs,or make the lateral delts bigger. I am working on waste lats and delts,oh,and everything else…
I had a “Lower” lats epiphany today. Very speculative, please give your opinion.
I wonder if doing One Arm Barbell Snatch could be useful. I switched from looking ahead at the wall, to looking down in front of me, and from having the centre of the bar by the lifting foot to centred between my feet, whilst snatching. After a few sets I started noting that my lats from the middle down were feeling particularly worked. Now I don’t think OAS is a good exercise for hypertrophy, because the CNS fatigues before the muscle. I do wonder if it can help strengthen the MMC with the lats. Greater MMC would enable better recruitment of the muscle when doing a targeted lat exercise. The OAS has a very long pull from floor to triple extension (longer than a TH snatch, and more explosive than a KB snatch), and the lats must fire hard from the start. By demanding more of the muscle to work at once we get superb neurological adaptation. Now the question is, does that increased ability to recruit the muscle transfer to greater activation when doing an exercise suited to hypertrophy?
The source for the technique change was Rigoulot. See first lift in the following video:-
Yogi, have you tried Chinese rows? What I do is start the barbell at around mid chest and row it towards my waist. Nothing has hit my lower lats like that movement.
I quite often do the second example in that video with heavy dumbells, but that’s more for shoulder and trunk stability strengthening work.
[quote]harper2704 wrote:
I quite often do the second example in that video with heavy dumbells, but that’s more for shoulder and trunk stability strengthening work.[/quote]
That’s the One Arm Clean & Jerk. Though the jerk could be switched with a Press, Strict, Side Press, Bent, or Push. The pull from the floor uses a fair amount of lats to keep the bar close, stabilise the pelvis, and to extend the spine. For BB it’s interesting to note the relatively large forearms and triceps of lifters who did the One Hand quick lifts. John Grimek (BB from a few years back, natural because there were no drugs) was a big fan of them, very nicely developed back too. He was so good that they changed the rules so he couldn’t continue winning the top BB comp of the day. He was considered unbeatable. Wouldn’t place anything worth a damn today.
johnflower, I don’t think yogi is interested in your opinions. I would like to know your goals and exchange a few ideas if you would like to start another thread. Confusion
OMG this OMG that…You sure like your OMG moment pal so here’s another one for ya: ain’t no such thing as lower lats.
Kayak rows do work ah-mazingly well though for lat development. I have seen some good results with that exercise.
[quote]juverulez wrote:
OMG this OMG that…You sure like your OMG moment pal so here’s another one for ya: ain’t no such thing as lower lats.
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you know more about bodybuilding than John Meadows, I’m sure.
Strong extrapolation is strong. I think that more than lower lats you need some Brain Candy to improve your reasoning skills.
And joking aside, give those kayak rows a whirl, you won’t be disappointed.
[quote]Yogi wrote:
[quote]juverulez wrote:
OMG this OMG that…You sure like your OMG moment pal so here’s another one for ya: ain’t no such thing as lower lats.
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you know more about bodybuilding than John Meadows, I’m sure.[/quote]
[quote]juverulez wrote:
Strong extrapolation is strong. I think that more than lower lats you need some brain candy to improve your reasoning skills.
And joking aside, give those kayak rows a whirl, you won’t be disappointed.
[quote]Yogi wrote:
[quote]juverulez wrote:
OMG this OMG that…You sure like your OMG moment pal so here’s another one for ya: ain’t no such thing as lower lats.
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you know more about bodybuilding than John Meadows, I’m sure.[/quote]
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shit posts are shit. Thaaaaaanks for playing though.
Love that pic of Christian Bale in your avatar by the way. The Machinist is a great movie.