lol at this fucking thread
to the morons suggesting bent presses or squatting to build the lats in a bodybuilding thread: shoot yourselves.
to the OP not sure if has been mentioned but what is your BF level, maybe your back is just a bit chubby to see lower lats?
Nowhere has it been suggested that squats or bent pressing, alone will build the lats to a competitive level. What has been suggested is that working the various functions of the lats through a variety of exercises may. There is no magic bullet, single, do everything lift. Accumulated load over the training period, with progression does work. For different people different combinations of lifts will get the desired result.
What we’re trying to work out is:-
[quote]TheCB wrote:
lol at this fucking thread
to the morons suggesting bent presses or squatting to build the lats in a bodybuilding thread: shoot yourselves.
to the OP not sure if has been mentioned but what is your BF level, maybe your back is just a bit chubby to see lower lats?[/quote]
lol, now this guy I like!
I’m actually not long out of a cut and rocking a mega sexy low body fat level. Can see veins in my abs for the first time ever!
No I would not recommend squatting to bring up someone’s lats, all I was saying is they have involvement in that particular lift and so will become more adept at stabilising and supporting a heavy load.
Each muscle has a primary purpose. Work it using that primary purpose through its full range and its going to grow.
Why is thread still happening? I gave OP the solution to all his problems on the first page, straight from the mouth of Messiah Meadows.
Srs though, Yogi, did you end up trying out those rows? I really do feel it in about as close to one can to what I think is the lower lats. I’m probably going to add them back into my training for a small period to really see if I notice a difference.
[quote]harper2704 wrote:
No I would not recommend squatting to bring up someone’s lats, all I was saying is they have involvement in that particular lift and so will become more adept at stabilising and supporting a heavy load.
Each muscle has a primary purpose. Work it using that primary purpose through its full range and its going to grow.[/quote]
Yogi, this is very similar to the point that I’m making. knokkelezoute73 also made a similar argument above. Squats are not the best method for growing lats. They do make a significant contribution. They are helpful because the lats are loaded, and with the application of progressive overload, will grow. Size is a by product of getting stronger. The application of this theory is that if you have to choose a leg exercise, say between Leg Press, Front Squat, and Back Squat, choose Back Squat because it will contribute more than the other two. Going through each lift in your routine and working out if it can be switched for one which will involve more lats may be helpful. Note the word MAY, this is not the same as WILL. Maximise opportunities to load the muscle.
An example of this total load approach MIGHT be that one persons lats are built:-
25% Pullups
15% Barbell Rows
15% Deadlifts
12% Pulldowns
10% Cleans
10% Dumbbell rows
7% Squats
5% Pullovers
1% Farmers Walks
Now take squats out of that and replace them with leg press and BANG! you’ve reduced your opportunity to load the lats by whatever percentage squats actually help. Perhaps you’re squatting, perhaps you’re not. You need to supply more information for advice to be tailored to your circumstance.
Caveats, I used imaginary numbers. The order may also be different.
Back to the topic at hand…
To Yogi:
I switched to a new gym this week. The old gym I was at had a grip for hammer-grip pull-ups that was basically a seated row handle. The new gym i’m at has a hammer-grip set-up where the grips are spaced about a foot apart. HOLY LAT STRETCH! If you have access to a hammer-grip pull-up set up around a foot try it out, I felt the stretch down to my spinal erectors.
[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
Why is thread still happening? I gave OP the solution to all his problems on the first page, straight from the mouth of Messiah Meadows.
Srs though, Yogi, did you end up trying out those rows? I really do feel it in about as close to one can to what I think is the lower lats. I’m probably going to add them back into my training for a small period to really see if I notice a difference. [/quote]
Na man, although I totally should have. I tried loading up mega heavy on weighted chins instead thinking that the change in rep style might help.
My new year’s resolution is more rows so I’ll definitely give them a try. Thanks man.
And I have no idea why the thread came back to life either. It’s been retarded nonsense about squatting and bent pressing and whatever. Quite embarrassed I’m even part of it.
[quote]harper2704 wrote:
No I would not recommend squatting to bring up someone’s lats, all I was saying is they have involvement in that particular lift and so will become more adept at stabilising and supporting a heavy load.
Each muscle has a primary purpose. Work it using that primary purpose through its full range and its going to grow.[/quote]
well the thread’s about bringing up lagging lower lats so…
[quote]johnflower wrote:
[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
[quote]johnflower wrote:
Have you done Bent Presses? If not, how do you know they wouldn’t solve your problem?[/quote]
Have you built large lats and rear delts because of bent presses? If not, why have you been suggesting them in several bodypart-specific threads?[/quote]
Yogi, this an example of a good question. Bent Press is an uncommon lift, and I have sung its praises far, and wide, as a Cure-All for every problem under the sun.[/quote]
OMG
Chris was taking the piss out of you when he asked that…
[quote]johnflower wrote:
Squats are not the best method for growing lats. They do make a significant contribution. They are helpful because the lats are loaded, and with the application of progressive overload, will grow. Size is a by product of getting stronger.[/quote]
The problem, if I can call it that, is that you’re offering a very general solution to a very specific problem.
Do squats, and bent presses, and whatever else hit the lats? Sure, they do. Will getting better at those lifts improve the lats for most untrained people? Sure.
But firstly, Yogi is not untrained, and if you’d followed his post history, you’d know that. And secondly, he’s asking for a targeted answer, to target a specific area for growth.
As just an example, Bench Press, for some people, builds a very large chest. For other people, it mostly just hits their front delts and triceps, and leaves their chest lagging – whether that be actually lagging and minimally stimulated, or just lagging in a relative sense. If someone wants to improve their chest, and they’re already bench pressing, the answer usually isn’t “do more bench pressing”. All that’s going to do is just accentuate the existing “problem”. You need a more targeted approach to ensure the chest is getting stimulated.
His question is more along the lines of: “I do back squats and front squats, but I’m still having trouble growing my vastus lateralis”. And the appropriate answers would be ways to ensure the vastus lateralis is hit and properly stimulated… whether that be through exercise selection, form tweaks, or adjustments to intensity, frequency and volume via programming. Not “do more squats”.
Hopefully you see the distinction.
And finally… there is a lot more to adding size than simply getting stronger. There are many methods to add size (in a trained lifter) that don’t do much to get stronger, and there are many ways to get stronger (in trained and untrained lifters) without adding much size. These are things you learn with experience.
For what it’s worth, I think it’s kinda cool you’re taking the bent press seriously.
[quote]Yogi wrote:
[quote]harper2704 wrote:
No I would not recommend squatting to bring up someone’s lats, all I was saying is they have involvement in that particular lift and so will become more adept at stabilising and supporting a heavy load.
Each muscle has a primary purpose. Work it using that primary purpose through its full range and its going to grow.[/quote]
well the thread’s about bringing up lagging lower lats so…[/quote]
…try those power pulls I suggested.
I’ve attempted to attach a vid of me doing one from my phone, whether it works or not I don’t know. I don’t quite pull it in far enough as it was a 1 rep max weight but you can get the idea of what I mean.
[quote]harper2704 wrote:
[quote]Yogi wrote:
[quote]harper2704 wrote:
No I would not recommend squatting to bring up someone’s lats, all I was saying is they have involvement in that particular lift and so will become more adept at stabilising and supporting a heavy load.
Each muscle has a primary purpose. Work it using that primary purpose through its full range and its going to grow.[/quote]
well the thread’s about bringing up lagging lower lats so…[/quote]
…try those power pulls I suggested.
I’ve attempted to attach a vid of me doing one from my phone, whether it works or not I don’t know. I don’t quite pull it in far enough as it was a 1 rep max weight but you can get the idea of what I mean.[/quote]
ah cool, yeah I see what you mean. Kinda like a stretcher but without the movement at the torso.
Thanks man, I’ll add those to the arsenal
No problem, hope they help 
Cliffs: Yogi doesn’t squat to full depth
[quote]pwolves17 wrote:
Cliffs: Yogi doesn’t squat to full depth[/quote]
I don’t bent press either
[quote]Yogi wrote:
[quote]pwolves17 wrote:
Cliffs: Yogi doesn’t squat to full depth[/quote]
I don’t bent press either[/quote]
That’s because you’re a juice monkey. You grow in spite of what you do.
And I call bullshit. Your lats are not lagging. Your other bodyparts are too big.
Dumb juice monkey.
[quote]dt79 wrote:
[quote]Yogi wrote:
[quote]pwolves17 wrote:
Cliffs: Yogi doesn’t squat to full depth[/quote]
I don’t bent press either[/quote]
That’s because you’re a juice monkey. You grow in spite of what you do.
And I call bullshit. Your lats are not lagging. Your other bodyparts are too big.
Dumb juice monkey.[/quote]
it’s true, it’s true. Don’t you know you can do a 12 week cycle of 500mg test and put on 6kg of muscle without even training? I saw a study once so it must be true.
I just do that three times a year and net myself 18kg of shiny new musselz. I don’t even lift weights
[quote]Yogi wrote:
[quote]dt79 wrote:
[quote]Yogi wrote:
[quote]pwolves17 wrote:
Cliffs: Yogi doesn’t squat to full depth[/quote]
I don’t bent press either[/quote]
That’s because you’re a juice monkey. You grow in spite of what you do.
And I call bullshit. Your lats are not lagging. Your other bodyparts are too big.
Dumb juice monkey.[/quote]
it’s true, it’s true. Don’t you know you can do a 12 week cycle of 500mg test and put on 6kg of muscle without even training? I saw a study once so it must be true.
I just do that three times a year and net myself 18kg of shiny new musselz. I don’t even lift weights[/quote]
Yeah SCIENCE BITCH!!!
[quote]johnflower wrote:
[quote]harper2704 wrote:
No I would not recommend squatting to bring up someone’s lats, all I was saying is they have involvement in that particular lift and so will become more adept at stabilising and supporting a heavy load.
Each muscle has a primary purpose. Work it using that primary purpose through its full range and its going to grow.[/quote]
Yogi, this is very similar to the point that I’m making. knokkelezoute73 also made a similar argument above. Squats are not the best method for growing lats. They do make a significant contribution. They are helpful because the lats are loaded, and with the application of progressive overload, will grow. Size is a by product of getting stronger. The application of this theory is that if you have to choose a leg exercise, say between Leg Press, Front Squat, and Back Squat, choose Back Squat because it will contribute more than the other two. Going through each lift in your routine and working out if it can be switched for one which will involve more lats may be helpful. Note the word MAY, this is not the same as WILL. Maximise opportunities to load the muscle.
An example of this total load approach MIGHT be that one persons lats are built:-
25% Pullups
15% Barbell Rows
15% Deadlifts
12% Pulldowns
10% Cleans
10% Dumbbell rows
7% Squats
5% Pullovers
1% Farmers Walks
Now take squats out of that and replace them with leg press and BANG! you’ve reduced your opportunity to load the lats by whatever percentage squats actually help. Perhaps you’re squatting, perhaps you’re not. You need to supply more information for advice to be tailored to your circumstance.
Caveats, I used imaginary numbers. The order may also be different.[/quote]
Bruh, just let him flyyyyyyyy