Lower Back Injury


At the ripe old age of 21, I have a lower back injury that I’ve endured for about 16 months now. I’ve been to the doctors and had x-rays etc. (nothing obvious came up). I’ve got my basic physio, but I have a problem as to how to stop my physique capitulating to shits. I’m about 75kg now; since I can’t really get much bigger - I decided to get leaner, so at least I cut down to get a six pack which provides some consolation for being a bit skinny. (Hey, 75kg at 178cm isn’t that bad right?)

The biggest problems are

  1. any kind of rotation of the back, even if only to a small extent. This rules out any form of sit-ups/crunches and the best compound exercises like deadlifts and power cleans. The legs seem to be worst off from this injury as leg extensions, leg curls and even leg presses hurt my lower back.

  2. Any kind of strain from either hoisting weight overhead, or resting weight on my shoulders - which unfortunately for me rules out squats, military presses, shoulder presses and even seated triceps extension, as these all involve squashing my back down.

It’s not all bad news for me though, as I can still do the bench press, pull-ups and chin-ups, all the standard bicep curling movements, pull-downs for triceps, press-ups, dips, lateral raises and those sex/no sex machines (abductor and adductor). I seem to be able to do dumbbell lunges though as a solitary legs/glutes exercise. This is quite a limited range of exercises - so I’m here asking for all advice I can get on how to maximise my workouts. I do at least have one exercise for all the main body parts, so at the moment I’m just increasing training volume. Does anyone have any good suggestions/good exercises for me to try?

Currently I’m training typically 4 days a week, eating 2900kcal + extra for workout days. Most of my workouts involve the few exercises above - mostly trying to train my arms, and shoulders via lateral raises and forward raises with the bench press for chest. Back is worked through pull-ups and chin-ups.

I’m very grateful for all useful suggestions.

You had xrays done? Not even MRI? Oh deer. You need to diagnose this problem correctly.

Ive got the feeling you really dont give a shit about your legs.

You dont rotate your back during squats or deadlifts. They stay neutral throughout the whole thing. if your lower back hurts from leg extensions, then I can tell your hamstring flexibility is shit. Which is probely why you are getting pain doing deadlifts, squats, cleans…

You shouldnt have any pain when your spine is compressed, your probely doing it wrong.

learn to squat, deadlift, press CORRECTLY.

mobilitywod.com, stretch hamstrings daily. be aware of posture.

I knew someone would point out the obvious, but what’s done is done. Fact is - deadlifts hurt like fuck now when I go past 30-40kg so it’s just not worth it. And yeah I am stretching my hamstrings daily because I know they got tight over the last year.

I’m pretty sure that when I was at the doctors and they were looking at my x-rays, they would point out if I need an MRI scan.

It’s not just my legs though - I have pains in my back when I go to sleep so I have to sleep on my side, or use a cushion under my back. I’ve got physio from the doctors so I’ll just keep using that.

You should probably try hyper extensions or reverse hyperextensions. You need to work your lower back and stretch it to keep it from tightening up. If those are too difficult then perhaps try planks and side planks. Supermans, cat and camel, birddog. There’s a ton of stuff you can do but you’re going to have to strengthen your lower back to do it. Once that happens you can probably get back to doing deadlifts.

Another thing I’ve noticed recently is using a tennis ball and rolling the piriformis helps relieve the stress on my lower back. So I’d try that too. Cressey’s foam rolling video on youtube shows you how to.

Reverse hypers might be too difficult for you, and I’d recommend focusing on regular hypers first. I’m not sure where you hurt your lower back. Mine was at the very bottom and reverse hypers appear to hit that area. When doing reverse hypers you go 3 seconds up and 3 seconds down. This way the it puts the weight entirely on the muscle and your back isn’t using the stretch reflex to lift the weight. Matt Wenning recommends it in the So you think you can Squat series when he talks about them.

I actually couldn’t do them this way at first and had to slowly add weight going up 1 second down 1 second. After getting to 40 pounds I deloaded and my lower back was strong enough to do 10 pounds going up 3 seconds and down 3 seconds, but you can feel it working your lower back muscle a lot more this way.

What part of the deadlift aggreviates your back?

X-rays dont show the condition of the discs, MRI do.

thanks for that, this is good advice. I actually have been doing planks (here and there) as it’s the only way I can think of to work my abs. Hyperextensions are a good idea, I’ll try that next time I’m at the gym. I’ve also started doing the yoga move called the bridge which seems to help a bit. I realise I need to exercise my lower back, it’s going to be quite a patience game - to try not to advance the weight too fast.

Supermans are a good shout, I’ll look these other moves up. I may have to try yoga or something, at this point I’m willing to try anything. My repetoir of weights exercises is quite limited at the moment.

Well then, I guess I’ll go ask for an MRI scan. Problem is it could take months to get an appointment with the UK’s NHS. At least it’ll be free…

I asked what part of dead lifting aggravates your back.

Hi,

Ok so you’re probably going to be told the standard stuff when it comes to this. IE: You need to stretch, fix your posture, change your Deadlift form, get an MRI scan because there’s absolutely no Orthopedic test on earth that can tell you what you’ve hurt, and a whole slew of other completely irrelevant untrue stuff that is parroted on these forums. If you’re unlucky someone might start talking about the pain neuromatrix theory soon.

Here’s the low down. The lower back just like every other joint in the body, is held together by ligaments. The muscles of the lower back are attached to the bones by the tendons. The muscles are attached to eachother by way of the fascia. Most people who give you the advise in the previous paragraph most likely do not know anything about spinal anatomy. In fact if you’re in the UK chances are your GP won’t know either, although he will know where to google it.

You’re not in front of me so I can’t perform any orthopedic tests to see what you may have sprained, strained, or herniated, fractured (in the case of spondylolisthesis etc). MRI’s should only be used to A. confirm what your physician already knows, and B. because you’re going to have surgery. If you’re not going to have surgery then it is sort of irrelevant because the treatment options remain the same.

At any rate let me just give you a quick anatomy low down, before you go through the pain and torment that is the NHS. Bear in mind no surgeon will ever accept that the lower back can suffer strains and sprains because this is not something that they know how to or will operate. No surgeries exist for this yet, if they ever will. Unlike the knee where ACL autografts are common, if you avulse your Iliolumbar ligaments from the enthesis there’s nothing they can do for you.

The anatomy. The “lower back” consists of the five lumbar vertebrae. These are L1 to L5. These connect and articulate with the Ilium, and the Sacrum. The Sacrum articulates with the Coccyx.

The ligaments of the spine that are of particular relevance when it comes to injury are the Supraspinous and the interspinous ligaments, the facet capsules, and the intertransverse ligaments to a lesser extent. The supraspinous ligaments attach the superior and inferior spinous processess the interspinous ligaments lie deep to the supraspinous ligaments.

Moving down towards the sacrum and ilium you have the iliolumbar ligaments which run over the inner lip of the ilium and attach onto the transverse processess of L4 and L5. Further down you have the short posterior sacroiliac ligaments, deep to them you have the interossesus sacroiliac ligaments. Once you reach the posterior superior iliac spine you have the long posterior sacroiliac ligaments which attach onto the inferior lateral sacrum just above the superior lateral coccyx.

Without going further into the ligament side of injury, because there’s a lot more I could write, I’ll just write about the tendons real quick. You have the erector spinae, which is also refered to as the sacrospinalis. These are three muscle groups which run down the length of the spine.

The tendons of the longissimus dorsi and the iliocostalis lumborum attach onto both the illium and the sacrum as well as the spinous processess of the lumbar vertebrae. The multifidis runs lateraly onto the spinous processess and onto the sacrum. Then you have the glute maximus medius minimus, these originate from the ilium.

That write up is pretty sloppy but that is a boat load of structures to consider, any of which can become chronically injured, although tendons are secondary generally speaking.

The discs of the spine are ligamentous in nature. The annulus of the disc is ligament based. Also a herniation can be classed as three types, buldge, protrusion and extrusion. Buldges and protrusions are common and actually many asymptomatic people have them, with no pain or dysfunction. Consider this, to create a herniation in an animal during studies they destroy the interspinous ligaments and let the animal walk around, later on herniations appear. This should tell you something about your own anatomy.

Anyway maybe that’s a lot to take in, there are a lot of posts on here about lower back injuries and what to do. It’s very individual based and I’m certain most people here just don’t have a clue about these things, with neither the experience or knowledge to help. I can’t PM yet but as you’re in the UK drop me a PM or email or something I can send you a list of Dr’s who I’d recommend as being able to actually diagnose and work to fix the issue, although I don’t want to go into treatment options here.

Good luck with whatever you choose to do.