Love Lifting, Need to Lose Fat

[quote]Jeffe wrote:
I really, really hate to be the one to say it…but if you intend on cutting any significant amounts of fat (20+ lbs.) I would re-think the 500 lbs DL by the end of this year.
That is a much bigger lift than people seem to think, and strength gains will be slowed because of the reduced calories. A more realistic goal (seriously) may be to reduce body fat to a certain level (whatever you feel happy with) and simply maintain that 460 lb lift…with 3 months of lifting under you, hitting a 460 lb dead is absolutely unheard of.

What type of dead was it (pin pull/full dead/sumo?) and how did your lower back feel after that?[/quote]

it was a full deadlift from the ground, since i started working out, i do squats after my deadlifts and i deadlift every 4 to 5 days because i fucking love it, i bench lately has been sucking cause i started getting into oylmpic lifts, and kind of stoped doing them, but i will never leave the deadlift,

as for my back i never use straps and only use a belt for the last few max effort day, because i dont think it is safe to do alot of weight all the time without some safety, but i only use it like i said for the last few, my back feels great and i feel incredibly strong when i pick someone up to throw them,

oh it was 450, but i cant wait to get that extra 10 pounds,

[quote]haggle wrote:
beeph wrote:
From what I’ve seen 600-650 lbs deadlift is like the most a non-mutant can do. Not to say a 600 lbs deadlift isnt fucking awesome. Same with the squat… I see even fewer big squats.

If you got 10+ inch wrists size 14+ feet or something then yeah otherwise no.

If I saw anyone deadlift 5 plates in my gym i’d sit back and watch. It would be spectacle at least where I am.

my goal is 500 by the end of the year on deadlift and 650 by the time i am 21 or 22, i am 18 now, i like the other lifts but there is something about the deadlift that i dream about

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WHEN you dead 500, please video it and make a link. I think there is probably 1 guy in my gym that can full dead 500, and he’s an absolute BEAST - cool guy, though.

Not saying it’s not possible for ya, but you’re going to have to work HARD at it if you still want to lose significant BF.

from what everyone is saying it seems it is going to be hard but i am going to do it

what are your views on taking creatine and BCAA, i bought some creatine acouple of days ago and want to buy the Biotest BCAA

[quote]haggle wrote:
would it be possible to lose fat(not in huge amounts) and still get a little stronger[/quote]

If your new, yes; Provided you follow a good diet. Count your calories and limit your carbs. Always make sure your in caloric deficit or you wont lose weight.

I think you’ll like this routine.

[quote]haggle wrote:
from what everyone is saying it seems it is going to be hard but i am going to do it

what are your views on taking creatine and BCAA, i bought some creatine acouple of days ago and want to buy the Biotest BCAA[/quote]

I’m all for BCAA’s as a catabolic prohibitor while losing bodyfat due to caloric deficit. Not a huge fan of creatine, and I’m probably in the minority there.

How the fuck can you deadlift and squat that much fucking weight after just 3 months of working out. Put up a video or something …that would be cool!!
That’s bananas. I dunno what my max on deadlift is but after almost 3 months of using Mark’s SS i do my deads with 240lbs and i use a narrow stance with a slightly wider than shoulder grip and i go down a little lower than parallel to the floor of course all the while i maintain a flat back and chest out.

Dude, first thing you need to figure out is your lean body mass… You look like you are about 150-160 lbs lean mass. You may need to cut weight first otherwise you will be disappointed that you wont be seeing gains.

HOLY FUCK! You pulled 450 after 3 WEEKS OF LIFTING?

You are going to be a monster.

I would second what Ramo said- if I were you, I’d eat a high volume of clean food and lift like a beast. You ARE a beast. You can become an even BIGGER beast. Literally, the sky’s the limit for people with genes like yours.

However, it seems you want to do wrestling in a middleweight class, which means you’ll be walking around at 200 instead of 250. I respect that, even if I cry a little on the inside for the loss of your potential.

As far as supps go, Biotest creatine is excellent. Follow the loading pattern (10g, 4x/day for 4 days, followed by 5g/day daily thereafter). For best results, take it with your Biotest Surge. The insulin spike from Surge helps shuttle the creatine into the muscle cells where it does the most good.

BCAA’s are like ultra-quality protein. They’re good, if pricey. As far as supps go, they’re mid-way down on my list. I do not currently use them, and do not recommend them for a cutting cycle.

Instead of BCAA’s (or Surge, but that’s just my take), I would recommend getting Flameout. Fish oil has more benefits than a job with Homeland Security, and assists in the fat-loss process (and bulking too, but that’s another story).

DO NOT take HOT-ROX (HOT-ROX is Biotest’s fat-burner) until you’ve managed to lose fat successfully for at least a month. It’s important to know you can do it on your own without exogenous help, if for nothing else to guage the effectiveness of said help.

DO NOT attempt to guage your bodyfat levels with anything less than a professional with calipers. There is the possibility that you will gain muscle and lose fat at the same time in equal amounts, thereby making it seem as if you’re doing nothing because the scale is standing still. Instead, measure your fat-loss progress by recording with a tape measure the circumference about your hips (belly-button lattitude). IME, this is much more reliable.

Lastly, as far as training and diet go, I recommend these:
Training: The Waterbury Summer Project
http://www.T-Nation.com/readArticle.do?id=1140463
Diet: T-dawg Diet 2.0
http://www.T-Nation.com/readArticle.do?id=473067

WSP only lasts for 8 weeks, so you may have to do it two or three times. In eight weeks following it and a strict diet, I lost 18 lbs. While my strength levels did drop, they came back within four weeks, and actually exceeded my previous levels, so don’t let that scare you off (too much).

There is such a thing as metabolic down-shifting, where your body gets used to operating at a lower caloric level and stops burning fat as much as it used to. It is therefore necessary to either a) increase your activity levels or b) decrease your caloric intake roughly every 8 weeks in order to keep fat being burned at the same rate. If you follow WSP (Waterbury Summer Project, the training program listed above) increasing your activity isn’t really an option. Therefore, plan on decreasing your calories over the course of a cut, and don’t go balls-to-the-wall in the very beginning.

Good luck. I sincerely wish you success in your endeavors. Do not be afraid to ask further questions, and post with updates of your success.

[quote]Otep wrote:
HOLY FUCK! You pulled 450 after 3 WEEKS OF LIFTING?

You are going to be a monster.[/quote]

not three weeks, 3 months and it was actually 4 months from two days ago, 3 weeks i wish,

[quote]Damner wrote:
How the fuck can you deadlift and squat that much fucking weight after just 3 months of working out. Put up a video or something …that would be cool!!
That’s bananas. I dunno what my max on deadlift is but after almost 3 months of using Mark’s SS i do my deads with 240lbs and i use a narrow stance with a slightly wider than shoulder grip and i go down a little lower than parallel to the floor of course all the while i maintain a flat back and chest out. [/quote]

i said it was 3.5 months, but looking back at my journal it was actually a day short of 4 months,

i will borrow a camera this week and try to send you the video

[quote]haggle wrote:
Otep wrote:
HOLY FUCK! You pulled 450 after 3 WEEKS OF LIFTING?

You are going to be a monster.

not three weeks, 3 months and it was actually 4 months from two days ago, 3 weeks i wish,

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Fine, three months.

I really appreciate you trying to downplay this, but the truth is, you have incredible potential. I wish you the best success with your cut, so that you can get back to lifting heavy shit as fast as you can.

[quote]haggle wrote:
Otep wrote:
HOLY FUCK! You pulled 450 after 3 WEEKS OF LIFTING?

You are going to be a monster.

not three weeks, 3 months and it was actually 4 months from two days ago, 3 weeks i wish,

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still shows a natural strength not many have,that is awsome.

I would say what is working for me is this.
eating simple
meat,fishoil,dark greens and fiber rich vegatables like celery,cuccumber that type of thing.

have a protein shake in the morning with one peice of fruit, one after working out with BCAA included and one before bed with nothing but water.

drink atleast a gallon of water a day.
good way to do this is to make sure you always have water in your hand
and when you cant then get a glass of water chug it and then refill it and then sip that.

lift simple.
I didnt worry about all the oly lifts.started out with a stronglifts 5x5 program and now I do deads,squats shoulder/overhead press,rows cable rows and also freeweights. and bench press thast about it

do cardio get on that treadmill even if its just walking for 30 mins before you lift and 30 after tha tright there is alot of cardio.

I like to swim after I lift it cools me down and I get moving some more.

first few months write everything down
what you lift when you lift how many times
same with eating write what when and how much

get anal with it because tha twill get you into a habit of doing the same thing over and over.

good luck your heads on right it seems its all a mater of doing it now.

you might want to cut out the white rice and eat whole grain brown rice instead. In my opinion a better source of carbs.

[quote]transformation wrote:
you might want to cut out the white rice and eat whole grain brown rice instead. In my opinion a better source of carbs.[/quote]

agreed.
its great for fiber as well

[quote]haggle wrote:
Damner wrote:
How the fuck can you deadlift and squat that much fucking weight after just 3 months of working out. Put up a video or something …that would be cool!!

That’s bananas. I dunno what my max on deadlift is but after almost 3 months of using Mark’s SS i do my deads with 240lbs and i use a narrow stance with a slightly wider than shoulder grip and i go down a little lower than parallel to the floor of course all the while i maintain a flat back and chest out.

i said it was 3.5 months, but looking back at my journal it was actually a day short of 4 months,

i will borrow a camera this week and try to send you the video
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You height might help you out a little bit but still, even after 4 months thats just not believable to me, imagine what you’ll be doing in a few years from now.I think your overtraining like theres no tomorrow.

I couldnt figure out how to use my girlfriends video option on the camera so i had someone take a pic, check my profile

[quote]haggle wrote:
i couldnt figure out how to use my girlfriends video option on the camera so i had someone take a pic, check my profile[/quote]

You FUCKING ANIMAL! Good for you!!!

Along with the others, clean up your diet and supplement correctly. Do you have a trainer/coach? If not, get one. At your size and strength, you have some serious potential.

Wow dude… thats insane. 460 DL in 3 months… some crazy potential don’t blow it.