Lost All My Gains During PCT

Pharma / TRT
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We’re agreed on that.

“Hey Admin, I think you should change this thing, here’s why.”

“Yeah, forum guy, I kinda get what you’re saying, but I disagree. There’s no reason to change it.”

“I mean, I really think it should change. Here’s why.”

“I understand what you’re saying, but you’re mistaken. It’s not changing.”

“I really, really think it should change. Here’s why.” [rephrases argument 40+ times in two different threads over the course of one week]

“I said no. Now drop it.”

“But it should change. Here’s why.” [suspended one week.]

[returns from suspension] … “So here’s why I think it should change” … [gets reprimanded] … [11 days later… ] “LOL, see, here’s a perfect example of why you should change it.”

“No, it isn’t. And no, it won’t. No. To repeat myself for the ninth time in less than a month, No.”

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Nothing wrong with that, just watch not to fall into permablast and/or permabulk territory and try looking at it more like “Buncha steps forward, couple steps back”.

When you say you “lost all gains”, what kind of numbers are we talking about?

Height (for context), starting weight/ending weight, general bodyfat guesstimate?

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I myself am a man child.

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Just want to delve into this a little bit more. Its the exact experience I would bet 90% of users get. I’ve been there myself when I dabbled in my early years. You think cycling is going to make you huge, it works to a degree, and then you lose most to all of your apparent size during PCT. So the net sum is that you’ve endangered your HPTA function and overall health for nothing.

This is why ONLY those that are lifers in the gym should partake. The OP may be one of those guys and still had a bad experience. Point being even if you do everything right… one cycle can still end up as a net loss. Leave the cycles to the pros, BnC guys, or TRT plus guys.

Hell… delete the word ‘cycle’ from the whole process because it just doesn’t work.

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Man children can be a LOT of fun to hang out with.

However if I ever look to rely or depend on anyone for something (rare for me), a man child is the last person I’d pick

Not intending to offend you btw, however the irresponsible adult phase isn’t something you want to follow you around long term.

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You started PCT too early. The standard bro knowledge of 2 weeks in between last jab and PCT is BS.

Research test stasis/taper if you want to cycle successfully. Otherwise its blast and cruise, which if you want children, is a no go.

SB

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Sincere thanks to @Tim_Patterson. I am very proud of you and this site for taking a stand.

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Thank you @Tim_Patterson! You are a gentleman.

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Hope you learned something in prison. Most criminals are repeat offenders, don’t get yourself back in there brother! :smiley:

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More like exile for a while. Reinforced for me it takes a lot of work to do the right thing some times, but even if it is adding one letter to one word you should always try to do the right thing.

Also learned Tim Patterson is a principled and intelligent human being; we agree safer is a much better descriptor than safe.

Check.

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ThErE’s a NeW gUy On HeRe bY tHe nAmE oF @tareload I ThInK yOu’D gEt AlOnG wItH

@readalot

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Actually we can’t stand each other. Tareload did ok but he said something about a long vacation.

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He’s your… evil TWIN!

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now wait a minute

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Am I the last person to realize this was an anagram? I am, aren’t I

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This is the harsh reality that no one warns people about. They just see the before and after pics. No one posts the 16-24 week after pics where they’re just slightly better than before.

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I’ve been saying that for years. Cycling is rented muscle for most guys.

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There really isn’t enough guidance and advice for retaining gains out there. You can find 10000s of cycle templates but not much outlining this issue

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