[quote]Professor X wrote:
slimthugger wrote:
I’m in the process of moving, give me a few , sooner if my HD isn’t packed
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You are on a computer now. You must be one of the 1% in this country without a cell phone that has a camera.
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I resemble that.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Professor X wrote:
slimthugger wrote:
I’m in the process of moving, give me a few , sooner if my HD isn’t packed
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You are on a computer now. You must be one of the 1% in this country without a cell phone that has a camera.
I resemble that.
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I do too but that’s not the point.
My cell phone is so cheap is says, “Made by Mattel” on the back. I keep dialing wrong phone numbers because my fingers are too big for the buttons.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Professor X wrote:
slimthugger wrote:
I’m in the process of moving, give me a few , sooner if my HD isn’t packed
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You are on a computer now. You must be one of the 1% in this country without a cell phone that has a camera.
I resemble that.
I do too but that’s not the point.
My cell phone is so cheap is says, “Made by Mattel” on the back. I keep dialing wrong phone numbers because my fingers are too big for the buttons.[/quote]
I bought mine on Ebay. I lose all portable electronics over $50.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Professor X wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Professor X wrote:
slimthugger wrote:
I’m in the process of moving, give me a few , sooner if my HD isn’t packed
?
You are on a computer now. You must be one of the 1% in this country without a cell phone that has a camera.
I resemble that.
I do too but that’s not the point.
My cell phone is so cheap is says, “Made by Mattel” on the back. I keep dialing wrong phone numbers because my fingers are too big for the buttons.
I bought mine on Ebay. I lose all portable electronics over $50.[/quote]
I love electronics. I just can’t justify paying a shit load for a phone when I do most transactions over the internet and other gadgets I have compensate enough for a cheap camera inside my phone.
I guess the downside is that I am married to my lap top.
[quote]slimthugger wrote:
…thib,Shugart and the like have been writing about over the years. They all have written articles discussing the importance of form…
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Turns out there have also been articles on this site discussing the benefit of forced reps, which “cheat curls” happen to be.
[quote]slimthugger wrote:
SteelyD wrote:
slimthugger wrote:
Simple. A trainee doesn’t need to ever cheat to get optimal growth. Practicing stellar form has never held back anyone’s gains.
Curious. Please post some pics of your development from your 100% adherence to strict form.
Not necessary to prove my point. Which you quoted above. I’ve taken myself from 165lbs to 225lbs body weight over the years and I practice good form. There IS a right way to lift, believe it or not. [/quote]
The only right way to lift is the one that stimulates the target muscle(s) to grow and doesn’t cause injury.
Wow I guess I should have reloaded the thread before posting.
eat more, rest more, lift more. more curls
[quote]slimthugger wrote:
Professor X wrote:
slimthugger wrote:
Professor X wrote:
slimthugger wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Professor X wrote:
For the record, why is this board filled with so many beginners who won’t stay in the beginner forum?
Dunno… I actually have to start reading that section and see what they tell people there…
I’m just tired of the discussions here centering around someone experienced saying something like, “there’s nothing wrong with some cheating”…and then getting hammered by 15 newbies who have 14" arms as they all tell you that strict form is essential in their 20lbs dumbbell curls.
The debates never range above any of that bullshit yet everyone here seems to think they are so advanced that they need some hyper-technical over-analyzed super program made for Olympic gymnastics.
Ignorant,just ignorant.
Your one liners need work. I dare you to expand on your point of view with anything that indicates more than two brain cells were used in the process.
Simple. A trainee doesn’t need to ever cheat to get optimal growth. Practicing stellar form has never held back anyone’s gains. Improper technique better known as cheating is more than likely the root cause of most injuries.
A doctor of sports medicine would never say to a patient “get in the gym and do some cheat curls” or “arch you back on the bench”. The only exception to this would be juicees. So cheat away.
I am a doctor although not with a specialty in sports medicine. To reach the upper limits of human development, the weight used can often be more important than how perfect the form is. You can’t look at someone with 18+" arms who has had no significant injuries as they gained over 100lbs and claim they are training wrong.
Doc. The simple fact remains. Cheating IS NOT essential to reach maximal growth. Can some do it and get by? Yes, under aforementioned circumstances. Again, a natural trainee with lacking gains can NEVER say “my arms aren’t big because I don’t cheat enough”.
If that was the case every bonehead in my gym would be in the Mr. Olympia because just about all of the lifters there cheat. Steller physiques are built with steller form. Off topic-- I wouldn’t want a doctor operating on me if I KNEW he cheating his way through med school. Good grief charlie brown![/quote]
A commonly accepted scientific fact is that time under tension is what leads to hypertrophy (assuming the load is heavy enough).
Your muscles do not know the difference between cheating tension or good form tension. If you muscle is under tension then that is all that matters.
So cheating is not mandatory, but it works the same as other methods for increasing the time under the load.
So do 5 reps, fail, then rest, then 3 more reps, etc, or do 5 reps, fail, cheat out 3 more. There is little difference in these two approaches.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
I doubt that mr. slimthugger even knows what anyone here considers loose form and on which lifts one would use that and how.
Also, “rounded back” does ignore that fact that in reality a lot of world-class pullers use a rounded upper back to shorten the pull but obviously keep the lower back arched and abs braced.
You didn’t say which part of the back you mean…
And if you think that anyone here pulls with a rounded lower back then think again.
Somehow bending at the knees and not keeping your elbows totally locked on curls now equates to cheating and to us using injury-promoting form on every lift just to lift more weight? huh?
I use loose form on biceps curls and even some chest movements if you count not locking out or not touching the chest as such.
I am not sure how someone could label that “POOR FORM” especially since I have not had a significant injury in well over a decade.
I also keep fairly strict form on most shoulder movement because avoiding injury and doing this long term in order to make the most progress is the primary goal.
I really can’t get over how someone like that calls more experienced lifters “ignorant”. It isn’t like this is coming from people who are uneducated.
I agree. I wouldn’t call not locking out “loose form” though… But of course everyone here needs to do competition-form PL bp’s or else it’s wrong and you’re just being an ego-lifter, right?
Bad form would be to let your shoulders come forward and squirm around on the bench, but which big guy does that?
Also, locking out on benches just unnecessarily fatigues the tris, takes the stress of the pecs and you would have to use somewhat less weight…
All crap, seeing as:
a) I train my tris with heavy Smith RGB’s, IH-CGP’s, Pjr’s etc later on, I want to give a 100 percent on those… Much better for tricep-growth than bench presses.
b) I find that locking out under a huge load sucks for my elbows/knees. I’m not a competitive powerlifter and thus don’t see the need for it anyway.
I have no nagging injuries in these areas today (as opposed to all the competitive benchers or powerlifters at my gym, though I’m not saying that they necessarily will develop these conditions… well… I’m being diplomatic here…) and guess why that could be?
c) Using less weight means less pec growth. Goes back to a)… I can overload the muscles individually with more weight which also allows for easier progression.
None of that matters. We are apparently ignorant according to the vastly intelligent “slimthugger” who, by the way, also has amazing development that rivals anything any of us have ever experienced based on his textbook form with every movement.
It doesn’t matter that you have thought it through and have good reasons for your choices. Clearly, someone parroting a personal trainer knows better.[/quote]
C’mon doc. We all know there are some laws of lifting that are etched in stone. Nutrition, recovery, and FORM to name a few. Some people are just ‘right’ fighters and can’t just admit that someone may know more than they do. No problem though…I expect nothing more from the net. BTW-I’ll abandon form in lieu of swinging, gyrating and slouching and see what it does for my gains and back…let me reconsider that…uh, no.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
slimthugger wrote:
I’m in the process of moving, give me a few , sooner if my HD isn’t packed
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You are on a computer now. You must be one of the 1% in this country without a cell phone that has a camera.
We’ll all be holding our breath waiting for those pics.
Begin inhalation…NOW!![/quote]
Just saw this one…yep I guess I’m a part of that 1% (not sure where that number came from) If I want to take pictures I like to use a camera, not a phone. I only talk on a cell phone, that’s it. So don’t be like Angela Basset…go ahead and exhale.
[quote]Lorisco wrote:
Your muscles do not know the difference between cheating tension or good form tension.
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THE DISCS IN YOUR BACK DO!!!
“Last word” guy.
[quote]slimthugger wrote:
THE DISCS IN YOUR BACK DO!!![/quote]
There’s a difference between doing a few cheat reps and being an idiot. Sure there are lots of idiots at the gym, but they will all get hurt before they get big. I’m not saying slightly cheating form is necessary at all, just that it wont hurt if done properly.
Btw, have you ever done heavy T-bar rows without cheating just a little bit? I find that impossible, and so do most of the people I know too.
[quote]pinkponyz wrote:
slimthugger wrote:
THE DISCS IN YOUR BACK DO!!!
There’s a difference between doing a few cheat reps and being an idiot. Sure there are lots of idiots at the gym, but they will all get hurt before they get big. I’m not saying slightly cheating form is necessary at all, just that it wont hurt if done properly.
Btw, have you ever done heavy T-bar rows without cheating just a little bit? I find that impossible, and so do most of the people I know too.[/quote]
Good post. However I never said my form was picture perfect all the time-nobody is perfect. But I never have and never will intentionally cheat because I don’t believe it to be necessary. “My” key word here is “my” motto is , if I can’t lift it with good form, it’s too heavy. I’d rather bench 305 for 5 clean reps (as I do) than arch my back and bounce the bar off my chest to do 315. Just me.
[quote]slimthugger wrote:
arch my back [/quote]
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[quote]countingbeans wrote:
slimthugger wrote:
arch my back
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For a remedial reader like yourself, a picture wouldn’t have been enough…here’s what I was speaking of.
Would you queers go back to making fun of me, not cheat curls and bad form. Jeez, start a new topic and play bum darts somewhere else. Thanks
[quote]slimthugger wrote:
remedial reader [/quote]
LOL
Glass Houses…
[quote]slimthugger wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
slimthugger wrote:
arch my back
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For a remedial reader like yourself, a picture wouldn’t have been enough…here’s what I was speaking of.
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You honestly think you are coming across as intelligent?
You are throwing out these little insults as if people aren’t laughing at you.
You don’t even understand the topic if you think anyone is talking about acting stupid with weights in their hands and promoting an injury.
YOU DON’T GET REALLY BIG BY TRAINING STUPIDLY.
I already know how you will respond to this though so I guess this post was a waste of time.