This will be my first cycle. I have been working out steadily for 2 years and currently I am 24 5’10" 175. I have always had a pretty good, high protein diet and would like to start to gain some good lean muscle through my cycle. I would like to do just this cycle and keep as much gains as possible and continue building naturally without having to keep doing cycle after cycle. My idea is to be cut with some added lean muscle not just gain a lot of size. Please critique and let me know what is best or what to adjust. Also I am kind of foggy on what would be the best PCT so please help with that as well. Thanks in advance.
I do have a couple of questions…
- Is running the Var 2weeks after the dbol going to be to hard on my liver?
- Is my PCT sufficient?
- Is 40mg of Var enough to be effective?
SUSTANON 325
1CC E3D WEEKS 1-10
DIANABOL 10MG
30MG ED WEEKS 1-4
ANAVAR 10MG
40MG ED WEEKS 7-12
PCT: Clomid
WEEKS 12-14
300mg for Day 1; 100mg/day for Days 2-11; and 50mg/day for Days 12-21
I hope you take the time to read my response in full. I am just letting you know that the responses you are bound to receive here will have less to do with cycle critique and more to do with your doing a cycle in the first place. And some will be harsh.
You are only two years into training and really haven’t hit your stride. You may think you have but you haven’t. You have plenty of gains to go before a cycle is, well, necessary. You and I are the same height and I outweigh you by 30-40lbs. That’s no brag, I am nothing special. I just want you to know you can do a lot before testing out the test option. I was 138lbs when I started training and once I focused on what I wasn’t doing and what wasn’t working, the gains started.
What I am saying is that you need to figure out why your gains have stalled. And you talk about leaning out but do you want to be 140lbs and ripped? If you are set on adding some kind of suplement regime in, outside of getting diet and training in order, you could look at one of the Anaconda Protocals on here. From what I have seen, both beginners(which you are) and experienced lifters and seeing some very good results.
Anyway, that’s my two cents.
Diet and training is more important than gear…
I truly appreciate all the help. I am not apposed to just doing it the natural way if it is what is best. My question is why is that I should not use gear to help give me a boost? What kind of negatives go along with not having a good base like ex:5 years of lifting with diet and can’t gain so then do gear. I hear that a lot and would like know why and what the negative effects would be. I do not want to hurt myself and would like to do things the right way, I just want to know why the answer is what it is instead of just getting an answer. Thanks again.
[quote]zenjitsu wrote:
I truly appreciate all the help. I am not apposed to just doing it the natural way if it is what is best. My question is why is that I should not use gear to help give me a boost? What kind of negatives go along with not having a good base like ex:5 years of lifting with diet and can’t gain so then do gear. I hear that a lot and would like know why and what the negative effects would be. I do not want to hurt myself and would like to do things the right way, I just want to know why the answer is what it is instead of just getting an answer. Thanks again. [/quote]
This is because if you dont eat, sleep and train right, no amount of gear will give you good results…an ignorant cycle is a complete waste thats why.
Gear wont give you muscle lazily you have to do it properly…
You cannot grow without stimulating the muscle properly for mass growth, giving it enough nutrients (proper diet) required to use the muscle tearing and turn it into growth, and rest for training recovery.
You can search these topics everywhere they have been covered thousands of times (start with this site).
Thanks for the reply. I have no intentions of being and by no means am I lazy. From what I read I apparently just do not have a good enough base for using gear. If I were to do gear I would keep my diet/workout routine and just up my cals and protein intake.
I work out at least for days a week doing high weight low reps and I like to throw in a couple of days of 3-4 mile runs. If I were to keep this diet/workout would it be effective in keeping a good amount of my gains in the cycle I listed above or would I just be wasting my time & money? I appreciate all the help.
[quote]zenjitsu wrote:
Thanks for the reply. I have no intentions of being and by no means am I lazy. From what I read I apparently just do not have a good enough base for using gear. If I were to do gear I would keep my diet/workout routine and just up my cals and protein intake.
I work out at least for days a week doing high weight low reps and I like to throw in a couple of days of 3-4 mile runs. If I were to keep this diet/workout would it be effective in keeping a good amount of my gains in the cycle I listed above or would I just be wasting my time & money? I appreciate all the help.[/quote]
At 24 you dont need gear. If you train hard, heavy and often with a well thought out or coached program you will make consistent strong gains for many many years. If all your goals are is to be lean and decent looking then i doubt you will need any gear at all ever. Gear is for athletes and bodybuilders [ie. competitive ones] and to some extent older dudes. Do your first cycle at 50 years old.
If your juicing for looks your not being patriotic. the olympic athletes need that shit and you’re taking it right out of their asses.
And the idea of going on a cycle is that you recover faster so therefore you would up the volume, density and frequency of your program to get the most out of it.
Try the anaconda protocool 1 first for a year of hard training and see what that does.
Also, cut the runs out champ. I find it really hard to put meat on clients that run or bike more than 1-2 x per week. They just dont eat enough to cover for it. Neither do you.
-chris
Avocado i have no idea what to make of that post lol so i’m just gonna leave it.
Zenjitsu your goals are mildly confusing.
You wish to get leaner and add a few pounds but not to many, but wish to take anabolic drugs (Huh?)
And you would like to do just 1 cycle but don’t go anywhere near any of the test derivatives… which is kinda like paying for 1 T-Nation order and getting all Creatine and none of the best stuff.
Test only cycle is probably the most mentioned, most applied cycle of all time. Least amount of compounds, cutting the sides to a minimum. It works and works damn well.
I’d highly advise against Clomid it’s nasty stuff maybe some like it, but i don’t like it 1 bloody bit.
If you were to do a cycle, and to be honest if your set on it, then best offer you a route, instead of you picking and choosing over the internet !
W 1-10 Test Enth 250mg E3D
W 1-12 Adex 0.25mg EOD (reduce to 0.125mg EOD in last week)
W 13 Nolva 20mg 2x/d or Clomid 50mg 2x/d
W 14-16 Nolva 20mg/d or Clomid 25mg/d
Before you run off and buy this just think some things through.
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Do you REALLY want/need to do this
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Are you going to commit to pinning yourself for 12 weeks
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Do you REALLY have your nutrition/ training nailed in 100% and are not using steroids to make up for some slacking.
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For a guy who wants to lean out and only add a few pounds - do you REALLY think steroids are the answer ? I personally don’t steroids are for those who want to be HUGE - not lean and a bit big - but not to big.
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Are you willing to deal with the shit that may come from friends/family/missus if they catch you doing steroids - i’ve known plenty of relationships to end and familys severely pissed.
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At 5 ft 10 175lbs that screams a yo-yo person as in you gain weight - lose weight - gain some - lose some if that’s you, then you NEED to sort out your priorities or you’ll be doing it forever.
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Lastly, for your one and only cycle, do you REALLY want to do it now, NOW is the best time for you ? NOW is the time where your nearing the end of your gains ?
Personally i don’t think you should, i don’t think you have the right mentality to do it correctly. Choice is yours- if you do it then do the Test only cycle, don’t fuck around with Orals, for 1 cycle wonder you don’t want or need them.
Regards.