Looking For Advice - Plan, Physique - M37

first time here, new to the community. posting here instead of log section to get your perspective on my plan and my physique and approach in general. help highly appreciated.

I’m 37 years, 190cm, 87.5kg, body fat 21.4 (scale), 18.9 navy method - strength training in the gym since 09/23.

I feel like making progress but it’s slow and my body doesn’t really transform, check my pictures for reference. Upper chest and shoulders aren’t growing at all, legs also weak.

ABC, 3x per week / A and C pretty much similar, I alternate between cable and kettlebell

Plan A
flat BP
Chest Fly Machine
kb Lunges Forw./Rev./Curtsy
kb Sq Thruster
kb kneeling Upright Row
kb kneeling Lateral Lift
kb kneeling Bicep Curls
kb kneeling Tricep Ext.
Hanging Knee Raises

Plan B
Iso Lat Pull
Horizontal Row Machine
OHP
kb shin box extend overhead
Pull ups
kb SA press
kb kneeling windmill
kb Halo
kb Bear Pull

Plan C
kb sq thruster
kb Lunges Forw./Rev./Curtsy
flat BP
Brustpresse incline
Cable Straight Bar Bicep Curls
Cable Straight Bar Upright Row
Cable Rope Tricep PD
kb Lateral Lift
Hanging Knee Raises

supplements: l-carnitine 1000mg, b6 p5p, creatine, l-glutamine, l-citrulline. tadalafil on weekend micro dose of 2.5mg

nutrition: +2800kcal, ~120g proteine, reduced carbs

background: I had to overcome chronic inflammation based on a condition but it’s getting better week by week. herniated disc. mild ED for past 5 years. low energy in general

How do you rate my plan, what would you change or what advice you would give me?


You’re new so I’ll just explain, any advice you get from me or others in general, even if some of it seems harsh, it’s mean positively, embrace it.

What’s the goal been since you started? Your program doesn’t scream strength training to me (more on that to follow).

I wouldn’t get hung up on individual body parts, particularly in the early years of training, try and grow everything.

Honestly I don’t like that training, at all. Where did you get it from? Are you training at home by yourself?

What equipment do you have access to?

Why these? I’d say omega 3, protein powder, creatine would be my only real recommendations (and even then I don’t personally use creatine).

120g of protein, not nearly enough, at your bodyweight I’d want to see 190-200g. Lay out a standard days worth of eating here for additional feedback (be completely honest, not like here’s what I eat on a perfect day, but here’s what I eat 95% of the time - include any calorie containing drinks).

Does this cause any limitations in movement patterns/gym lifts?

I’ll leave with something positive - been going for around 18 months even without seeing much progress, well done for the consistency, if you’re serious about making progress, being open and honest here and giving 100% effort to implementing the feedback you get will carry you far!

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Your list of exercises doesn’t show any progression. Are the weights you’re using getting heavier?

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X2 to everything @alex_uk said.

If you’re trying to gain muscle, none of your movements are easy to progress, load or push to failure - that’s going to make the journey pretty tough.

But also another thumbs up on getting after it for a year and a half!

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You’re new so I’ll just explain, any advice you get from me or others in general, even if some of it seems harsh, it’s mean positively, embrace it.

I appreciate it, thanks

What’s the goal been since you started?

I’m coming from a period of chronic fatigue, inflammation. so my goal is basically to become healthy and fit in general. I intentionally gained ~10kg over the last two years. I’m sitting all day for work, neglected my health and body for too long (see herniated disc). now I’m going to the gym 3x a week, move on a daily basis and am about to implement more outside activity like skipping and sprints.

My goal is to grow muscle, strength and increase mobility because of tight hips from sitting. I want to overcome fatigue. I feel like my hormones and/or metabolic health isn’t good (see ED for example).

I already feel like I’m on the right path but need fine tuning to get the results I want.

I wouldn’t get hung up on individual body parts, particularly in the early years of training, try and grow everything.

got it

Honestly I don’t like that training, at all. Where did you get it from? Are you training at home by yourself? What equipment do you have access to?

It’s a mix of exercises that felt good of which I tried over the last year. I read different programs (phraks, 5x5). my plan is inspired by strength training with kettlebell like for example by adriell mayes (check his work on yt) and also with a focus on body movement like ido portal (more the stretches that I do, not listed here).

Why these? I’d say omega 3, protein powder, creatine would be my only real recommendations (and even then I don’t personally use creatine).

yeah I forgot to add whey, and omega 3 I have as well (although it’s expensive). the l-glutamine is for muscle recovery and gut health. l-citrulline mainly because I noticed improved performance when on tadalafil, so I wanted to implement one for blood flow on a daily basis. b6 and l-carnitine because I had symptoms like chronic nerve pain in my quads (that got much better with the right dose of exercise).

120g of protein, not nearly enough, at your bodyweight I’d want to see 190-200g. Lay out a standard days worth of eating here for additional feedback (be completely honest, not like here’s what I eat on a perfect day, but here’s what I eat 95% of the time - include any calorie containing drinks).

yeah I agree, there are days with +150g of proteine but the average might be below. since I started my health journey like three years ago I had to change my nutrition heavily bc of chronic inflammation. typical day of eating (which I track with cronometer):

breakfast. greek yog 300g, peanut butter 30g (sugar free), oats 80g, whey 30g
lunch. rice cooked 250g, chicken 250g, broccoli 100g, carrots 125g, sauerkraut 30g
dinner. mozzarella 125g, sourdough bread 200g, olive oil 15g, mango 125g, kiwi 50g

Does this cause any limitations in movement patterns/gym lifts?

yes it does, I can’t sit on the floor with my legs straight or bend over to touch the floor. part of that might come from tight hips due to sitting but it’s also like a block in the back. nerve pain is mostly gone since exercising (had tingling sensation in my right foot) but the block is still there. when I OHP then I have some pain bc of compression I guess, so I don’t go too heavy even though I like the exercise.

that’s the reason I’m looking for exercises like kb chops, windmill and so on, as it promotes mobility and rotation to strengthen my core.


as I said, my main goal is to gain muscle (target around 90-95kg with like 17% bf), target of bench my bw, increase mobility and become ‘functional’ again.

I had a long period of fatigue, ED and trouble with inflammation so it feels like the last year was much needed to get somewhat back on track out of the negative spirale and now I have to build on top of that base. that’s what I’m here for.

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yes I go with progressive overload. I’m doing compound exercises for 2x8 and isolated accessories for 2x12.

Are these helping you? If so, definitely keep at them. For me, when I hurt my back, these didn’t do as much as working through progressions of planks, bird dogs, back extensions, leg raises, etc.

Also, I would be super careful on the OHP if it causes you pain. It sounds like you’re already thinking through it, but just remember that no exercise is mandatory. If you can’t do OHP pain-free, you don’t have to do it. Maybe find a variation that doesn’t hurt, or just hit your shoulders without it. A lot of us have a really tough time learning to hold a brace through that movement.

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Yeah! What everyone said.

Are kb halos, chops, lunges, windmills helping? If your hips and low low back are “blocked” all the motion from these crazy moves will occur in like 1 disc, which will need to move A LOT. Vs a small amount of motion in multiple discs. For Sure evaluate these moves carefully.

Upper chest and shoulders not growing? And standing up straight hurts? Its sounds like your back is stuck in extension, like you’re so “arched” its hard to get the work off the pec majors, and up onto the upper chest and shoulders.

If that’s the case, think about keeping your back flat, and your ribs down, and your abs tight. Maybe try putting your feet up to take the pressure off your back.

And not this, we’re You’re extended and squeezing up your back.

If OHP causes problems, consider the Arnold Press. The way you keep your arms in front at the bottom makes it easier to keep tightness in your abs and not get extended and compress your back.

Or do some high reps delt raises with short rests.

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Dude you’re absolutely speaking my language here. I’ve been so heavy on all of this stuff lol-the foot elevation on inclines (and even the alternating arms for that matter).

Ditto to Flats, he nailed everything here.

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thanks for all your input, appreciate the support!

great advice, thanks @TrainForPain and @FlatsFarmer - I will cut OHP from now on and replace it with Arnold Press. the linked article makes so much sense, prioritize being pain free is a no-brainer.

not really, there is no pain in standing up straight. I might have a problem with good posture bc of weak back muscles, but there is no pain.


so I did a session A today and should share some numbers, all in kg.

flat BP 62.5 for 8, 6
incline chest press machine 20 for 10 and 8
kb lunge var. 10 for 8, 8
kb squat thruster 10 for 8, 8
cable bicep curls straight bar 18 for 12, 12
cable tricep pulldown straight bar 16 for 12, 12
cable upright row 16 for 12, 12
kb lateral lift 6 for 10, 10
Hanging Knee Raises 10, 10

Problem: low energy in general, problem to generate energy when lifting heavy (weak ATP? weak mitochondrial health?), weak back (can only do one pull up), weak legs, low sex drive, ED, low T?

Take away so far: potentially cut lots of supplements, replace OHP with Arnold Press, increase proteine intake to 180-200g daily, consistency is key

Longterm goals: bp = bw (currently at 62.5), bw around 90-95 with bf of ~17, get high T/high sex drive back

pic from today:

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I’ve seen you talking about handling your ribs and it’s given me a bunch of good ideas. I’ve been dealing with the PEC pattern and a lateral shift for awhile.

All the information about fixing it that I’ve been working with was like rehab focused, that I tried to adapt into the gym. Sometimes it’s been OK, sometimes it’s a failure. To see the Jonathan Warren, Lifting based approach in the videos you’ve been posting has been really helpful and cleared a few things up.

It’s cool to see you taking some time, during your prime physical years, to address and fix these issues now. So you can avoid wear and tear now, and extend your peak swoleness for years and years into the future.

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Absolutely man! Jonathan really opened my eyes to some of the mistakes I was making in the gym and the compression I was creating that was worsening my own PEC pattern. His approach to combining clinical knowledge with lifting is so applicable for me and has been great to learn to not only fix myself, but help me address these things with my own clients to keep them from learning bad habits early on. “Keeping your stack” Is something I wish I learned years and years ago. I find it super value to take 15 minutes before my lifts to do some breath work and inhibition exercises, like you said should hopefully help extend my peak and keep me healthy.

Working out with friends and clients, it’s crazy to see just how disconnected so many people are from their rib positioning and how compressed they are in the dorsal rostral region, which keeps their scapula from gliding freely. The latter really keeps chest, back and delt exercises from being as effective. This is really why mind-muscle-connection can’t be undervalued, because it can give you feedback if you’re stimulating the muscle appropriately with your form or simply moving weight from point a to point b.

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so I had to rest this week bc of an infection, will be back in the gym in the next days.

in general I’m wondering how you guys treat and think about the following:

  • optimize hormones: I suspect I’m having low T bc of low libido and weak erections, almost no morning wood. nutrition, nofap or what else?

  • increase sex drive: overtraining might be a thing, lack of movement throughout the day, too much screen time. other ideas to turn things around?

Get enough sleep every night, eat a healthy diet of meat and eggs and fruit and veggies (skip the other crap). I don’t think overtraining is the issue here, but sleep, nutrition and body composition probably are.

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thanks. I’m eating greek yoghurt in the morning with peanut butter (no sugar added) + oatmeal with whey. on top of that lots of clean food like veggies, carbs a bit reduced and fat and I love kiwis (just started to take two kiwis before bed and experience some improved morning wood).

what do you think of the supplements? I guess after testing a bunch of it I can say that there isn’t a magic pill.

my feeling is, that my body is functional but blocked by something, like I can’t absorb all nutrition or similar. is this just stress related or are there ways to test such areas?

If you’re making progress, you like your training, and you aren’t eating like a dumpster raccoon, my opinion is you need: time.

Most people don’t have capped delts and a shelf of upper pecs to rest their protein shake on after a year…or a lifetime (!) of training. What everyone said: progressive training, good nutrition, and…time.

BTW, try upping the volume and/or intensity of cable lateral raises. Unless you have a perfect mind muscle connection, do not use any weight you can’t control/stop mid-range.

People use too much weight, not enough target muscle. Try dropsets, myo match, regular rest pause etc. Go for pump. You almost can’t abuse the side deltoid enough (my experience and a lot of others).

You don’t necessarily want to train every bodypart the same. Learn your body and follow.

Best wishes on your journey.

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Some solid advice in here already. A couple things I haven’t seen addressed yet though-

  1. Do you do any kind of cardio or conditioning? Looks like no. What is your resting heart rate and blood pressure like? That stuff can play a role in the ED issues. And chances are if you are having performance anxiety that can create the low libido you talk about.
  2. You say your goal is to gain another 10kg but stay around the same bodyfat. That is gonna be very tough when your exercise selection and diet plan is very “longevity focused” shall we say. And being heavy and at 17%+ bodyfat isn’t exactly a recipe for optimal health to begin with anyway. It may be more realistic to hang around your current bodyweight and focus on leaning out. That would be much better for hormones, for sure.
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thank you, gonna give it a try and will report back. thanks man

thanks for your input. I started to do cardio zone2 sessions, but I haven’t found a good way to implement into my weekly routine. when done after a strength session I don’t always have the time for another 30min cardio session, and when I did them on the rest day I didn’t felt recovered enough. I’m also very much interested in doing sprints outside, as a mix of some skipping and short sprints. it feels natural to me and might result in better oxygen intake and hormonal health as long as my body can handle the movements.

I have to measure my resting HR, no idea about my blood pressure tbh.

makes sense, I should start small here. as I said, I gained ~10kg over the last year or two on purpose and should focus now on building muscle, mind-muscle connection and then go for a cut for hormonal health. you are right, thanks for that.

so I should already cut some calories or stay at around 2600-2800 and just focus on intensity and volume and thereby will cut?

I would say give this another shot but drop the intensity wayyyyyyy down. I’m talking like 30 minute brisk walk in the neighborhood, you should still be able to hold a conversation. If you’re having trouble recovering, sprinting sounds like a terrible idea, if I’m being honest.

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