[quote]Frenchie7 wrote:
Question: i recently had a conversation with a gym buddy who is doing crossfit,i told him that i’m going to start training with more bodybuilding parameters this year to add some quality muscle. he then went on to talk about how body building type training is “non functional” and will not add to strength development or athleticism, i personally think this is bullshit. what do you guys have to say about this? [/quote]
There’s a huge difference between squats and deads, and leg extensions and leg curls.
That is the takeaway from talk like this.
Shitty training is not “functional.”
But not all bodybuilders train shittily.
Try not to lump people in to camps.
It limits your thinking.
Good thread so far.
Aragorn is dropping a lot of good stuff.
Also, IME, training frequency>session volume, every time.
Every lifter I’ve ever known, trained with, or coached, has had better, more rapid gains when their training facilitated daily lifting.
[quote]Frenchie7 wrote:
Question: i recently had a conversation with a gym buddy who is doing crossfit,i told him that i’m going to start training with more bodybuilding parameters this year to add some quality muscle. he then went on to talk about how body building type training is “non functional” and will not add to strength development or athleticism, i personally think this is bullshit. what do you guys have to say about this? [/quote]
Heavy/strength work on the big lifts is a big part of the bodybuilding equation and this has carryover to just about every sport. Just ignore him.
Even better ask him if he knows of a single NFL, Major league, or NBA team that uses crossfit as a cornerstone of its training program or would even let its athletes do kipping pullups!
[quote]Frenchie7 wrote:
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
OP, as I said above I don’t think your volume of EXERCISES chosen or SETS is crazy at all. HOWEVER, you spend too much time over 15 REPS in a set. That is not really beneficial in my mind. I would say for the immediate short term take your ME Upper day and do all repped sets under 12 for your assistance exercises. Keep in the 6-10 zone most of the time. If you want you could keep one really good high rep set right after your ME movement, but only 1 set and then start increasing the weight to keep it in the 8-10 zone.
On your Repetition Upper body day, then you can do the 10-15+ rep sets. ME day is supposed to be heavy weight, Max EFFORT. Rep day is rep day. Separate the two methods out into their own days like they are labeled, instead of mixing them together. I would say the same for ME lower.
Personally I would hit the gym Sat/Sun for a second lower body day as well, however that may or may not work with your schedule and/or sports competitions if you play sports.[/quote]
ahh interesting,i see what you mean. what do you think of a westside template being used by someone who is interested in physique development as well as strength development?
i was thinking of starting westside for viking bastards.
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Hahaha. I love westside. I put hundreds of pounds on my total and added over 50+ lbs to my frame without ever going above a 34 waist. I have very fond memories. I would suggest doing your ME work on the 3 rep maxes for 75/80% of the max effort days for you personally, just to get more volume.
I am currently bastardizing the shit out of a standard template for an experiment and we will see how it goes. the standard one is great training frame IMO.
all hail the norsemen!
[quote]RampantBadger wrote:
[quote]Frenchie7 wrote:
Question: i recently had a conversation with a gym buddy who is doing crossfit,i told him that i’m going to start training with more bodybuilding parameters this year to add some quality muscle. he then went on to talk about how body building type training is “non functional” and will not add to strength development or athleticism, i personally think this is bullshit. what do you guys have to say about this? [/quote]
Heavy/strength work on the big lifts is a big part of the bodybuilding equation and this has carryover to just about every sport. Just ignore him.
Even better ask him if he knows of a single NFL, Major league, or NBA team that uses crossfit as a cornerstone of its training program or would even let its athletes do kipping pullups![/quote]
mostly bullshit if powerlifting or bodybuilding work is done intelligently. I kicked the crap out of the WOD at my local gym.a couple months ago. went in to borrow some good olympic lifting bars on the platform originally. Then they wanted to do a complex for their WOD after squatting (which I also murdered). So I beat them to death on the kb complex. see, if you can front squat 400 lbs, and push press near 300 lbs, a 70 kb is a piece of cake.
come on…how functional are kipping pull ups, really? I dont know any rock climbers who do them for sport ability, and I dont know any bodybuilders.eho.do.them to get big. and certsinly gymnasts dont do them.
Btw, “functional” is goal specific. If I want to get big and strong, crossfit blows ass. If I wanted to do a triathelon or a mountain biking event, crossfit again blows ass. If I want to run around like a hyperactive ADD chipmunk on meth, then crossfit is great. The widespread opinion among crossfitters that “if it’s not crossfit its crap” is annoying and has no basis in reality. You train for your goals. what is functional is that which FUNCTIONS to help you achieve your SPECIFIC goals. if for some unforeseeable reasom I really reeeaally want be able to perform circus tricks like squat on a bosu ball, then what functional for that one (retarded) goal is bosu ball squats…
and crossfit again blows ass. And it’s non-functional too!
Next time anyone says something about “functional,” the correct response is “What does functional mean?”
I guarantee they’ll fumble around and come up with nothing or say something like, “You know…like it carries over into real world activities.”
Last I checked we’re not chasing wild boars with spears or building shelters from scratch anymore.
Ring pull-ups, timed cleans, box jumps, etc. have no more inherent functionality than a machine curl or a hack squat.
Thanks for the elaboration guys, i didn’t understand the term “functional” prior to your responses.
hey jskrabac i’m not sure if you train anyone, but i wouldn’t mind paying you through paypal to help me figure out my nutrition for the next year.
You have compound movements in each of your workdays. You are performing “functional” lifts because of that.
Run away from Crossfit as quickly as possible. Better yet, in 6 months, if you are consistent in working out and eating right, compare your progress with his, I bet you’ll be surprised. Do it on your own though, don’t be vocal, because then you just get excuses.