London Bombing

[quote]jlesk68 wrote:
http://espn.go.com/outdoors/conservation/news/2003/1027/1648110.html

Texas fish on Prozac pose a problem
By Jon Herskovitz
Reuters

DALLAS ? What could be more peaceful, more restful or more relaxing than dropping a line into a quiet Texas lake and trying to hook a fish that is on Prozac.

According to a study by a Baylor University toxicologist, fluoxetine ? the active ingredient in the antidepressant Prozac ? is making its way to a lake in the Dallas area and into the tissue of the freshwater bluegill fish.

Bryan Brooks, an assistant professor of environmental studies at Baylor said the fluoxetine most likely made its way through a waste water treatment plant and into a river that feeds into Lake Lewisville, northwest of Dallas.

Brooks will present his findings next month at a conference of the Geological Society of America in Seattle.

While he has been asked several times about whether fish on Prozac find pleasure in floating aimlessly and no pain when hooked by a fisherman, Brooks said the most important part of his findings are that some pharmaceuticals can make their way through water treatment plants and back into waterways.

Brooks said the fluoxetine, and a metabolized compound similar to it, most likely made their way into the water systems from the urine of users or through people flushing Prozac down the toilet. The waste water facility was not equipped to remove the compounds, which then made their way into the bluegills, and perhaps other aquatic life.

“If we release something in the environment, we need to understand what will happen to it,” Brooks said.

Brooks said his findings lead to a bevy of other questions such as how many pharmaceuticals can escape water treatment, can these chemicals harm the water supply, how wide-spread is the problem and what are the long-term health effects caused by these pharmaceuticals on aquatic life and humans.

But, unfortunately, the nonscientific community seems to be more interested in the idea of fish on Prozac.

Brooks said the exposure of the fish to fluoxetine is below therapeutic levels. He is studying how current exposure might affect the ability of the fish to find food, fight off predators and find a mate.

And if the bluegills were exposed to enough of the antidepressant, the drug would likely have similar effects in the fish that it does in humans.

“They would be happy fish,” Brooks said.

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Wouldn’t free of anxiety be more accurate. Not sure what they have to be anxious about but good for them!

[quote]jlesk68 wrote:
http://espn.go.com/outdoors/conservation/news/2003/1027/1648110.html

Texas fish on Prozac pose a problem
By Jon Herskovitz
Reuters

DALLAS ? What could be more peaceful, more restful or more relaxing than dropping a line into a quiet Texas lake and trying to hook a fish that is on Prozac.

According to a study by a Baylor University toxicologist, fluoxetine ? the active ingredient in the antidepressant Prozac ? is making its way to a lake in the Dallas area and into the tissue of the freshwater bluegill fish.

Bryan Brooks, an assistant professor of environmental studies at Baylor said the fluoxetine most likely made its way through a waste water treatment plant and into a river that feeds into Lake Lewisville, northwest of Dallas.

Brooks will present his findings next month at a conference of the Geological Society of America in Seattle.

While he has been asked several times about whether fish on Prozac find pleasure in floating aimlessly and no pain when hooked by a fisherman, Brooks said the most important part of his findings are that some pharmaceuticals can make their way through water treatment plants and back into waterways.

Brooks said the fluoxetine, and a metabolized compound similar to it, most likely made their way into the water systems from the urine of users or through people flushing Prozac down the toilet. The waste water facility was not equipped to remove the compounds, which then made their way into the bluegills, and perhaps other aquatic life.

“If we release something in the environment, we need to understand what will happen to it,” Brooks said.

Brooks said his findings lead to a bevy of other questions such as how many pharmaceuticals can escape water treatment, can these chemicals harm the water supply, how wide-spread is the problem and what are the long-term health effects caused by these pharmaceuticals on aquatic life and humans.

But, unfortunately, the nonscientific community seems to be more interested in the idea of fish on Prozac.

Brooks said the exposure of the fish to fluoxetine is below therapeutic levels. He is studying how current exposure might affect the ability of the fish to find food, fight off predators and find a mate.

And if the bluegills were exposed to enough of the antidepressant, the drug would likely have similar effects in the fish that it does in humans.

“They would be happy fish,” Brooks said.

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Just curious if you are trying to make a point. The title of the thread is the Londing Bombing. How are you tying in Fish on Prozac.

Perhaps this would fit better under the conspiracy theory thread?

[quote]soupandspoons wrote:
Zap,

I’m not sure which search function you were using to search for the bills, but the one that I used, THOMAS, turns up the bills exactly as outlined in jlesk68’s post.

http://thomas.loc.gov/bss/d108query.html

Cheers,

Soup[/quote]

I used went to the Senates website and it linked to Thomas. Searched by the numbers jlesk gave copied and pasted.

Zap,

Thomas seems to have a few quirks. If you follow the link in my previous post and search from that site it returns bill s.45 from the 108th congress entitled “To make changes to the Office for State and Local Government Coordination, Department of Homeland Security. (Introduced in Senate)”

The s.45 bill that you referred to is for the 109th congress bill s.45 entitled “To amend the Controlled Substances Act to lift the patient limitation on prescribing drug addiction treatments by medical practitioners in group practices, and for other purposes. (Introduced in Senate)”

I’m Canadian, so I’m not aware of the innerworkings of the american government. What is the difference between the two 108th and 109th congress?

Cheers,

Soup

[quote]soupandspoons wrote:
Zap,

Thomas seems to have a few quirks. If you follow the link in my previous post and search from that site it returns bill s.45 from the 108th congress entitled “To make changes to the Office for State and Local Government Coordination, Department of Homeland Security. (Introduced in Senate)”

The s.45 bill that you referred to is for the 109th congress bill s.45 entitled “To amend the Controlled Substances Act to lift the patient limitation on prescribing drug addiction treatments by medical practitioners in group practices, and for other purposes. (Introduced in Senate)”

I’m Canadian, so I’m not aware of the innerworkings of the american government. What is the difference between the two 108th and 109th congress?

Cheers,

Soup[/quote]

109th congress is likely the new term.
108th is likely the old term.

Perhaps his posting was a year or two out of date?

As I said before, I have little trust for our government, but I do not believe they are trying to blow us up to pass these laws.

Staging An Attack To
Fix The Coverup
Of Another

From LibertyForum Post By “Impatient”
7-23-5

This latest “attack” is supposed to correct some faults in the first without causing further mayhem.

What has given them the most trouble with the first attack? Their choice of patsies.

They assumed that a loose Muslim connection would be enough to persuade everyone that these lads from Leeds were suicide bombers. But rather than clinch it for the planners, it backfired and the most common and reasonable question that everyone has about the suicide bomber fiction was invoked: How could young men who were not religious fanatics, who were educated, decent fellows, with loving families, and bright futures ? how could they kill themselves and others?

Another unforeseen problem was the effusive praise coming from Efraim Halevi that described the London bombings as “near-perfect”. Too many people could not get a picture in their minds of four young men with rucksacks able to so perfectly execute simultaneous bombings. It caused doubts that have not been quelled.

Too many people saw the hand of the Mossad and its affiliates in the earlier bombing because the four “bombers with rucksacks” did not evoke the necessary sophisticated timing, operational capacity, and scope.

The latest “attack” is supposed to reaffirm that young men with rucksacks are perfectly capable of a simultaneous triggering of devices, a demonstrable fearlessness in the face of death, and a disregard for the lives of others, even women with babies.

Because all four bombs malfunctioned this time round, it tells us that the bombers are not the Mossad or any other intelligence agency because 100% malfunction is very unprofessional, it may mean that their first bombing was just good luck, not expertise.

While the rucksacks in the first bombing have not turned up, this new bombing tells us once again that four young men carried bomb-laden packs aboard the trains and [would have] died when they detonated.

The investigation has not proceeded methodically. The whole question of how the bombing was done and who did it was effectively squelched when they began looking for the needle in the haystack ? the CCTV films. Without knowledge of the type of bombs, their power, placement, and detonation, there could be absolutely no reason to begin looking at CCTV tapes. They could not know what to look for without the certainty that the bombs were carried on, and not placed beforehand.

It is significant that of all the thousands of hours of CCTV tape they have examined, the only tape they seem to have of the young men from Leeds does not come from London at all! In the pictures we have seen the lads are in Luton, 25 minutes away.

Unless they can show us the “bombers” going their separate ways and boarding three or four different trains I will not believe that the young men ever made it to London. Seeing them together at Luton means nothing if they cannot be placed getting on the trains at exactly the right time to take them the right distance from King’s Cross before they explode.

In the case of the 7/7 bombings, going straightaway to the video tapes was very premature and irrational. It can only mean that they knew what they would find because they had planted the “evidence”. It makes no sense to begin looking at thousands of hours of video tape from as far away as Luton without any idea of what you are looking for. What could it be? Rucksacks, packages, briefcases, baby strollers, gym bags? Suspicous looking people of a certain race? And remember that the first story was that at least 24 people had been involved.

What would be the motivation to look at the tapes from Luton? Did they also look at tapes from video cameras at the airports and bus stations? It would seem to be just as reasonable to look at those tapes as looking at Luton. And why is the Luton tape the only tape?

Luton is interesting because an office of ICTS (the Israeli security firm) is about a mile from a Thameslink station. ICTS is actually located in the Luton and Dunstable NHS Hospital. It seems a little odd that this firm that handles security for the Stansted airport would be located at the Hospital.

Just like the problem with 9/11 and Madrid - there were no hijackers and no bombers to film. They tried to get around that on 7/7 by getting some patsies to photograph. They did not leave it to chance, for those picked had to be disposed of as though they had been killed in the blasts. Never Mind the “Evidence,” Who Planted it? The “investigation” that led to the Leeds four was not a real investigation because the videotape evidence was “planted” and the investigation was “led” to find it.

People seem to overlook this fact and assume that there were real clues that led the “investigators” to check the video cameras in Luton. Luton is distant from London and a real investigation would have no more reason to check those cameras than they would the cameras at Stansted or Heathrow or the bus stations or Thameslink stations in other directions. They vaguely justify looking northward and in Leeds because one mother called about her missing son - one mother out of 120,000 calls!

Just like the 19 photographs of the suicide hijackers, we never ask where those came from and how the FBI got them. The FBI admits there was not a single piece of paper to indicate the planning or knowledge of 9/11 but we are to believe that pictures of 19 hijackers sort of “turn up” very quickly after 9/11.

But people seem to begin their questions too far down the road, away from the initial and thoroughly incriminating points.

Wherever there is “planted” evidence it means the perpetrators have planted it to divert honest investigators. To investigate the planted evidence as though it is real is to miss the opportunity of catching the fix at the beginning. It is those who plant the evidence who are responsible for the crime.

The real perpetrators give themselves away by going directly to Luton to find their video. What are the chances of that? They went to Luton before there was any forensic investigation at the bomb sites. They were off to Luton even before they had removed all the body parts from the blasts - before they had any evidence that rucksacks were used to bring the bombs onto the trains - they were on their way to Luton to find the pictures of the lads carrying rucksacks and they found them.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
Elk -

There is no use responding to this crap.

Tell you what - you go ahead and make up a post for me. You haven’t gotten a damn thing I’ve said right yet - so why even debate you? Your ears are pinned back at anyone that supports this war, and you have no problem putting words in their mouths.

Your rants are not even supported by fact - unless you now consider Al Jazeera a valid dependable news source.
[/quote]

It’s more reliable than fox news.

Updates on the London bombings and the war on citiz… I mean terrorists.

MI5 downgrades terror threat to UK businesses
Financial Times
June 7 2005
The security service, MI5, has advised British businesses that the threat from international terrorism in the UK is lower than at any time since the September 11 terror attacks on the US.

Spies warned of Tube attack
The Sunday Times
December 18, 2005
SPYMASTERS warned Tony Blair before the July 7 suicide bombings that Al-Qaeda was planning a “high priority” attack specifically aimed at the London Tube.

A leaked four-page report by the Joint Intelligence Committee (JIC), which oversees all spying, is the first definitive evidence that the intelligence services expected terrorists to strike at the Underground.

No public inquiry into 7/7 bombings
The Times
December 14, 2005
THERE will not be a public inquiry into the July 7 London bombings, the Home Secretary Charles Clarke has decided.


Shooting to kill needs no warning
The Guardian
July 27, 2005
Police have been given permission to shoot dead suspected suicide bombers without any verbal warning, the Guardian has learned.

‘Judge Dredd’ powers for police urged
22/09/2005
The Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Ian Blair said “modernisation” of the force should be carried forward by introducing “an escalator of powers” for the dispensing of instant justice.

Terrorism: ‘The Sky Is Dark’
November 02, 2005
Britons are being warned of more attempts to attack the UK in coming months.

The country’s most senior policeman told of the threat as he battled for more powers to deal with suspected terrorists while MPs debate the Terrorism Bill.

"We need to detain terrorist suspects for far longer than we have ever had to do before.

Now you can be arrested for any offence
29/12/2005
Police are to be given sweeping powers to arrest people for every offence, including dropping litter, failure to wear a seat belt and other minor misdemeanours.

The measures, which come into force on Jan 1, are the biggest expansion in decades of police powers to deprive people of their liberty

Police to get more arrest powers
BBC
29 December 2005
The powers mean people can be arrested for all offences, even minor ones like painting graffiti and dropping litter

[quote]
“In some ways she was far more acute than Winston, and far less susceptible to Party propaganda. Once when he happened in some connection to mention the war against Eurasia, she startled him by saying casually that in her opinion the war was not happening. The rocket bombs which fell daily on London were probably fired by the Government of Oceania itself, ‘just to keep people frightened’. This was an idea that had literally never occurred to him.”[/quote]
~1984