Amazing! Anyone who dares question the Bush administration is derided as not being a patriot. You can’t question the administration’s actions, you can’t question US actions, you simply have to be patriotic and follow the leader.
Nope, I don’t see that thinking here on the boards or in Washington at all…
And there goes all that oil we and the rest of the world depend on. Excellent plan. Someone on the terrorist nukes in the US thread mentioned we could make the mid-east into a giant glass prism. Also well thought out. I wonder how easy it is to drill through a couple hundred feet of glass? Fallout cocktails, anyone? Those who think nukes are the answer might do a little reading on the consequences of a nuclear blast in that region. The US would not go unscathed and would probably find itself isolated both economically and diplomatically. And in an increasingly globalized economy, isolationism would be cutting off our noses to spite everybody else.
RJ,
This has got to be one of the funniest things I have ever read. Maybe check the difference between turbAN and turbINE. But the picture of a terrorist with a jet engine on his head is hilarious. And traditional Arab headress is called a kaffiyeh not a turban. Sorry dissenting opinions bother you so, in America, land of the free. Just exercising my right to disagree.
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I’m just looking at the facts man and nobody has ever answered the question. Not sure what campaign slogans you’re talking about. I just remember it being brought up and the Bush camp doing a neat little tap-dance around the issue. Kerry’s a wanker but at least he went to Vietnam. Don’t assume that because I don’t like Bush that I’m a Democrat. Believe it or not the world isn’t a binary place. You are a funny guy, Rain. Seriously.
JeffR,
I was referring to the Ditto-heads on this forum/website. I know guys who are staunch Bush supporters, too and we have our arguments. Not sure what your point is here.
[quote] does seem strange that someone who was in “intel” wouldn’t look up information before calling a former military man a “coward.”
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I maintain that anyone who sends soldiers to war without sufficient equipment is at the very least incompetent and chickenshit. And just being in the military (or on the police force) does not make one brave or a hero, no matter how one wishes to mythologize it. Some pretty cowardly acts have been committed by both of these groups. And I mean no disrespect to those who do serve with courage and honor.
Please continue to make insinuations about my credibility. I find it amusing. BTW, to clarify, I was a tactical intelligence officer, not human intelligence. It’s a different specialty. Within the general category of intelligence, there are sub-categories such as electronic intelligence (ELINT), signals intelligence (SIGINT), human intelligence (HUMINT), etc. Just FYI.
[quote]Hard to be 14 and do my job, by the way.[/quote] And how do I even know what that job is? For all I know you flip burgers by day and live out cop fantasies by night. Just making a point about internet credibility. I don’t have any way of confirming your identity any more than you do mine.
[quote]I’m not big into so-called military men calling other military men “cowards.” [/quote] Sorry but if the shoe fits… What exactly was W’s service in Vietnam? When was his butt on the line?
No.
And some of those are rethinking that, I’m sure. If not, I guess some folks don’t figure things out as fast as others.
What I think of him and what he thinks of himself are two different things. You asked me why fly a desk. I answered with what I thought might be his motivation. Flying a desk is definitly not as much fun as flying a plane. And he could always claim he flew jets “during the war” without exactly lying about it. He just meant safe and sound stateside.
It’s been a constant screw-up, that’s for certain. I don’t know what leaders he’s deferring to because I’ve read several quotes by leaders (by this I mean company grade officers like lieutentants and captains) who don’t have enough manpower.
And do you think GWB in concerned about cost? The man has used up the Clinton surplus, is borrowing more and more from foreign countries and is working up to several trillion dollars in debt, with no end to this conflict in sight. And lots of things are discussed at high levels. Doesn’t mean anyting is being done about it on the ground where the troops are. And in real life more troops means better control of problem areas=fewer deaths.
Which one?
You have such devotion to these people you helped elect, that I imagine no amount of evidence could convince you otherwise. But I’ll show you mine if you show me yours.
WMD
[quote]jlesk68 wrote:
hedo wrote:
Your overwhelming logic has convinced me that the US, Russians, Israeli’s, Spanish and British are all blowing themselves up.
“The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger.”
Hermann Goering, Transcript of Nuremberg Trials.
[/quote]
So is he a Zionist too??
[quote]hedo wrote:
jlesk68 wrote:
hedo wrote:
Your overwhelming logic has convinced me that the US, Russians, Israeli’s, Spanish and British are all blowing themselves up.
“The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger.”
Hermann Goering, Transcript of Nuremberg Trials.
So is he a Zionist too??
[/quote]
Define Zionist…
[quote]jlesk68 wrote:
hedo wrote:
jlesk68 wrote:
hedo wrote:
Your overwhelming logic has convinced me that the US, Russians, Israeli’s, Spanish and British are all blowing themselves up.
“The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger.”
Hermann Goering, Transcript of Nuremberg Trials.
So is he a Zionist too??
Define Zionist…[/quote]
Oh come on…you know the guys who get blamed for everything. The secret world order behind all these bombings.
Come on dude you have us all convinced that those poor innocent terrorists are being blamed for everything by the evil new world order.
Your scaring me quoting Goring but you don’t know what a Zionist is?
Hey I lost the schedule…when is the next mothership coming in for an orbit? Let me know ok.
hey guys 
never thought it would happen…
born and brought up in london, lived there 30 years and have not come to terms with whats happened. I was in the maldives working at getting my padi diver certfication…had a really good day with some friends that i had made there, all from different parts of the world (usa, poland, russia and the uk)all different religions i myself being muslim. we got back to the island and lookining at every one around us we new something was going on, because the island was very quiet. we made plans to all meet up at dinner and went to our rooms. then i switched on the tv to watch bbc news 24 and the headlines made my head spin. phoned home (uk london)family and friends to find every body was ok and safe.
being in london for 30 years we have experienced bombings before by the IRA, docklands and liverpool st bombings by the IRA were on our doorstep, used the trains and buses all the time and experienced security alerts as part of everyday life in london, but this was just mind blowing.
after 9/11 i thought some thing like this would never happen in london, but it goes to show you cant stop somthing like this unless you become a police state…? am back in the uk now, and bracing for the backlash.
most of the people in the uk are well educated and aware of other cultures and religions its something you learn in school, but like all faiths cultures and races you get the idiots/mainiacs…
we just had 2 mins silences in millenium square (leeds) the mix of people and faiths all united is heart warming, its a shame it takes the loss of life to bring people together to do good, when we should be together looking after each other from the beginging, so things like this didnt happen in the first place…
gonzalis,
Thank you for that post. I’m glad you and yours are safe. May you remain so.
Denouncing Islamic Fundamentalism at every opportunity, would be an excellent way to calm the ignorant and reassure the enlightened.
JeffR
Hedo wrote,
"Oh come on…you know the guys who get blamed for everything. The secret world order behind all these bombings.
Come on dude you have us all convinced that those poor innocent terrorists are being blamed for everything by the evil new world order.
Your scaring me quoting Goring but you don’t know what a Zionist is?
Hey I lost the schedule…when is the next mothership coming in for an orbit? Let me know ok."
Fell off my chair laughing!!!
You are on FIRE, Hedo!!!
JeffR
[quote]hedo wrote:
jlesk68 wrote:
hedo wrote:
jlesk68 wrote:
hedo wrote:
Your overwhelming logic has convinced me that the US, Russians, Israeli’s, Spanish and British are all blowing themselves up.
“The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger.”
Hermann Goering, Transcript of Nuremberg Trials.
So is he a Zionist too??
Define Zionist…
Oh come on…you know the guys who get blamed for everything. The secret world order behind all these bombings.
Come on dude you have us all convinced that those poor innocent terrorists are being blamed for everything by the evil new world order.
Your scaring me quoting Goring but you don’t know what a Zionist is?
Hey I lost the schedule…when is the next mothership coming in for an orbit? Let me know ok.
[/quote]
I don’t know I thought you had the schedule…
POINTS OF INVESTIGATION: THE LONDON BOMBING
JULY 13, 2005. Several more issues are surfacing in the official investigation into the London bombings.
First, here is a brief excerpt from an AP piece:
Worried Mom’s Call Spurred Bombing Probe
Wednesday July 13, 2005 3:46 PM
AP Photo LON819
By BETH GARDINER
Associated Press Writer
…Detectives on Saturday revised their initial timeline of events, ascertaining from a review of the subways’ computer and electrical systems that the bombings on three Underground trains occurred within a minute of one another, at 8:50 a.m., not over a 26-minute span as they had initially thought.
…Four young men [the bombers] carrying backpacks chatted casually in King’s Cross station at about 8:30 a.m. - 20 minutes before the subway explosions - then separated. At rush hour in the busy station, a major hub for north London, they would have attracted little notice.
end AP excerpt
Someone who lives in London and is familiar with the underground system there should be able to answer the following question:
Given the locations where the three trains exploded, would it have been possible for the young men—supposedly IDed together on TV cameras at about 8:30AM, at King’s Cross—to have made their way to their separate trains and arrive at the spots where the bombs went off—at 8:50AM? That’s roughly 20 minutes, starting from King’s Cross. I don’t know the answer to this question, but it’s certainly worth exploring in detail.
Another issue: you’ll recall that yesterday I quoted a press report that stated bomber IDs were found very close to the seats on the trains where the bombs went off. I commented that these IDs must have been made of extremely thick steel to have survived the blasts. And to have remained in shape good enough to read There is another point. If these were true IDs, and if they weren’t planted after the explosions as a cover story, why would they have remained close to the seats where the bombs exploded? Wouldn’t air currents alone, from the bombs, have caused mere ID cards to blow some distance away—assuming they weren’t burned up altogether?
Here is a snip from that press report (Sky News). The comments about IDs found near seats where the bombs went off are from Peter Clarke/Scotland Yard:
“Deputy Assistant Commissioner Peter Clarke, head of Scotland’s Yard anti-terrorist branch…'We know that all four of these [bombers] arrived in London by train on the morning [of July 7]. We have identified CCTV footage showing the four men at King’s Cross Station shortly before 8.30am on that morning, July 7…We have since found personal documents bearing the names of three of those four men close to the seats of three of the explosions.”
You guys post really funny replies but have you read the info posted, is mainstream news, what are your opinions when confronted with the facts that they were running drills on July 7th 2005 and Sept 11, 2001? Nobody likes to doubt their government, but sometimes things just don’t add up and we have to be honest with ourselves, I voted for Bush and am a conservative, but that doesn’t mean that I have to accept and justify everything his administration does, we must learn from history so that we don’t repeat it…
[quote]jlesk68 wrote:
hedo wrote:
jlesk68 wrote:
hedo wrote:
jlesk68 wrote:
hedo wrote:
Your overwhelming logic has convinced me that the US, Russians, Israeli’s, Spanish and British are all blowing themselves up.
“The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger.”
Hermann Goering, Transcript of Nuremberg Trials.
So is he a Zionist too??
Define Zionist…
Oh come on…you know the guys who get blamed for everything. The secret world order behind all these bombings.
Come on dude you have us all convinced that those poor innocent terrorists are being blamed for everything by the evil new world order.
Your scaring me quoting Goring but you don’t know what a Zionist is?
Hey I lost the schedule…when is the next mothership coming in for an orbit? Let me know ok.
I don’t know I thought you had the schedule…[/quote]
I will notify the supreme ruler we have both lost the schedule.
Continue confusing the humans with the conspiracy theories, this will waste their valuable time and conceal our true plans.
[quote]hedo wrote:
jlesk68 wrote:
hedo wrote:
jlesk68 wrote:
hedo wrote:
jlesk68 wrote:
hedo wrote:
Your overwhelming logic has convinced me that the US, Russians, Israeli’s, Spanish and British are all blowing themselves up.
“The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger.”
Hermann Goering, Transcript of Nuremberg Trials.
So is he a Zionist too??
Define Zionist…
Oh come on…you know the guys who get blamed for everything. The secret world order behind all these bombings.
Come on dude you have us all convinced that those poor innocent terrorists are being blamed for everything by the evil new world order.
Your scaring me quoting Goring but you don’t know what a Zionist is?
Hey I lost the schedule…when is the next mothership coming in for an orbit? Let me know ok.
I don’t know I thought you had the schedule…
I will notify the supreme ruler we have both lost the schedule.
Continue confusing the humans with the conspiracy theories, this will waste their valuable time and conceal our true plans.
[/quote]
No need to do that, the leaders of the humans are greedy and the populorum worship their leaders blindly, and never ask any questions, and their leaders have created this false Republican vs. Democrat paradigm to keep them entertained, kind of like a political WWF, meanwhile the human elite prepare their world plantation…
jlesk68, you keep putting these silly posters showing how our freedom of speech has been taken away.
Isn’t this kind of an oxymoron, you are using your free speech to demonstrate that you don’t have the freedom to speak.
Zap, obviously you are not interpreting the intent of the posters accurately… is that on purpose?
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
jlesk68, you keep putting these silly posters showing how our freedom of speech has been taken away.
Isn’t this kind of an oxymoron, you are using your free speech to demonstrate that you don’t have the freedom to speak. [/quote]
The posters are to make people aware of what The Patiot Act will be doing to our freedoms if there is a next terror attack on U.S. soil, after all, the government says “not if, but when”…
now, this one is from a Washington DC bus stop, memories of the old Soviet Union huh?
[quote]vroom wrote:
Zap, obviously you are not interpreting the intent of the posters accurately… is that on purpose?[/quote]
Since our freedom of speech is stronger than ever (inspite of a potential flag burning amendment) I really do not understand the point of these posters.
Is it to try to deceive the weak minds that are susceptible to this hogwash?
Is it to make the person that posts them look like an ass?
Are they generated by the real crooks in order to divert our attention?
