[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
jury still out on milk thistle? From all my research in the human and vet (dog) world, it’s highly recommended.
even those that run AAS (pills) take milk thistle.[/quote]
Guys that run AAS do a lot of things that don’t make sense.
Why is liver health a concern if you’re not an alcoholic, addicted to tylenol, or using steroids? Is there something you’re not telling us, “SteelyD”?
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
jury still out on milk thistle? From all my research in the human and vet (dog) world, it’s highly recommended.
even those that run AAS (pills) take milk thistle.[/quote]
I’ve not been able to find anything that suggests it actually does anything, that’s all. I’m not refuting it, just looking for some real backing. Highly recommended doesn’t really cut it to me.
If you have the research that shows any of these things do what they claim, please post-- that’s the point of the thread!
WebMD, MayoClinic – They use weasley words like “claimed” and “thought to be”. That’s not “conclusive” to me.
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/silymarin/NS_patient-milkthistle
[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
jury still out on milk thistle? From all my research in the human and vet (dog) world, it’s highly recommended.
even those that run AAS (pills) take milk thistle.[/quote]
Guys that run AAS do a lot of things that don’t make sense.
Why is liver health a concern if you’re not an alcoholic, addicted to tylenol, or using steroids? Is there something you’re not telling us, “SteelyD”?[/quote]
Nope. Just interested in liver health, that’s all. You don’t have to be an alcoholic or on AAS to be curious about a healthy liver. My diet isn’t normal (like many on this site), I have certain things I need to watch (blood sugar, cholesterol, etc etc) and I want to have a healthy liver.
In general, I do take aspirin, ibuprofren, NSAID’s, etc.
Plus, I just like to type “liver”. Say it-- it’s fun… “Liver”
Actually, now that I’m sitting hear saying it, I have a slight northeast accent… Not quite “livah”, but not “liverrrr”, either.
MODOK has recommended milk thistle in the past… again, not the “info” you wanted, but if he recommends it, good enough for me.
Consumerlabs shows is “may” reduce A1C as well
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
MODOK has recommended milk thistle in the past… again, not the “info” you wanted, but if he recommends it, good enough for me.
Consumerlabs shows is “may” reduce A1C as well [/quote]
thx man
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
jury still out on milk thistle? From all my research in the human and vet (dog) world, it’s highly recommended.
even those that run AAS (pills) take milk thistle.[/quote]
Guys that run AAS do a lot of things that don’t make sense.
Why is liver health a concern if you’re not an alcoholic, addicted to tylenol, or using steroids? Is there something you’re not telling us, “SteelyD”?[/quote]
Nope. Just interested in liver health, that’s all. You don’t have to be an alcoholic or on AAS to be curious about a healthy liver. My diet isn’t normal (like many on this site), I have certain things I need to watch (blood sugar, cholesterol, etc etc) and I want to have a healthy liver.
In general, I do take aspirin, ibuprofren, NSAID’s, etc.
Plus, I just like to type “liver”. Say it-- it’s fun… “Liver”
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Fair enough. The liver is pretty damn resilient though, and is probably the organ that I’d be least concerned about unless I was in one of the aforementioned categories.
Unless you had bloodwork come back with elevated liver enzymes, healthy diet & minimizing intake of medication is all you need–IMO, of course.
[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
jury still out on milk thistle? From all my research in the human and vet (dog) world, it’s highly recommended.
even those that run AAS (pills) take milk thistle.[/quote]
Guys that run AAS do a lot of things that don’t make sense.
Why is liver health a concern if you’re not an alcoholic, addicted to tylenol, or using steroids? Is there something you’re not telling us, “SteelyD”?[/quote]
Nope. Just interested in liver health, that’s all. You don’t have to be an alcoholic or on AAS to be curious about a healthy liver. My diet isn’t normal (like many on this site), I have certain things I need to watch (blood sugar, cholesterol, etc etc) and I want to have a healthy liver.
In general, I do take aspirin, ibuprofren, NSAID’s, etc.
Plus, I just like to type “liver”. Say it-- it’s fun… “Liver”
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Fair enough. The liver is pretty damn resilient though, and is probably the organ that I’d be least concerned about unless I was in one of the aforementioned categories.
Unless you had bloodwork come back with elevated liver enzymes, healthy diet & minimizing intake of medication is all you need–IMO, of course.
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Thanks, doc!
I avoid alcohol at all costs; I won’t even drink a drop.
[quote]Tech-Junkie wrote:
I avoid alcohol at all costs; I won’t even drink a drop.[/quote]
There’s no need for that.
Drinking alcohol on occasion (not binging) doesn’t cause harm to your liver. In fact, moderate consumption may actually have health benefits.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]Tech-Junkie wrote:
I avoid alcohol at all costs; I won’t even drink a drop.[/quote]
Drinking alcohol on occasion (not binging) doesn’t cause harm to your liver. In fact, moderate consumption may actually have health benefits.
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I drink, but I disagree. The health benefits can be had in other ways that are non-toxic to the body (liver, brain, etc)
I only have a few drinks a year. Usually a couple bottles of wine on holidays with family, the occasional microbrew on the road.
I used to drink pretty heavily. Best thing I did for my cholesterol was cut alcohol. I’m not worried that I damaged my liver from the drinking, though.
A lot of the better brands of vitamins will sell Milk Thistle with Dandelion added in. I’ve been using if for years, not a heavy drinker, but I’m just trying to help my liver out. He works hard
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]Tech-Junkie wrote:
I avoid alcohol at all costs; I won’t even drink a drop.[/quote]
There’s no need for that.
Drinking alcohol on occasion (not binging) doesn’t cause harm to your liver. In fact, moderate consumption may actually have health benefits.
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I do mostly agree with Jehovas on this point. People are quick to point out things like “red wine contains antioxidants” and stuff like that. However I myself do believe this is a bit of an excuse because if a person was really that concerned with antioxidants they could just eat vegetables or something. As well I never jumped on the whole antioxidant bandwagon anyhow (not that I am sure you were talking antioxidants to begin with, please excuse the assumption).
I will agree though that moderate drinking probably posses very little long term health risk.
My opinion of alcohol is fairly biased because as I have grown up I have witnessed the horrible places alcohol has taken people that I used to be friends with.
Here is some stuff that might help: I would give you the research I have pertaining to supplements and liver detox but I don’t have permission to reprint those. You can buy supplements and do a detox (which really do help), but IMO nothing beats a solid, healthy diet. On a side note, I forget the exact number but the EPA estimates exposure to something like 80k chemicals per year, all of which the liver has to handle. Hope it helps.
Nutrients that Support Detoxification
Phase I
Thiamine
Riboflavin
Niacin
Folic acid
Vitamin C
Flavinoids
Phospholipids
Indoles
Pyridoxine
Cobalamin
Iron ,zinc, selenium, magnesium
Nutrients that support intermediate metabolites (between Phase I and Phase II)
Antioxidants in general (vitamin A,C,E)
Flavinoids
Coenzyme Q10
Phase II
Flavinoids
Indole-3 carbinol
Carnosic acid
Isoflavinones
Ellagic acid
Garlic
Specific Phase II nutrients, (Inducers) and [inhibitors];
Glutathione conjugation ? glutathione, B6, NAC (Inducers-Brassica family, dill, caraway); [Inhibitors ? deficiencies of selenium, B12, zinc and glutathione]
Amino Acid conjugation ? glycine (Inducers ? glycine); [Inhibitors ? low protein diet]
Methylation ? S-adenosyl-methionine (Inducers - Lipotropic nutrients ? choline, methionine, betaine, folic acid, and B12); [inhibitors ? deficiency of B12 or folic acid]
Sulfation ? cysteine, methionine, molybdenum (Inducers - cysteine, methionine, taurine); [inhibitors ? NSAIDS, molybdenum deficiency, tartrazine(yellow food dye)]
Acetylation ?Acetyl-CoA, B5 [inhibitors ? deficiency of B2, B5, or C]
Glucuronidation ? glucuronic acid (inducers- fish oils); [inhibitors ? probenicid, aspirin]
[note that the Brassica family (broccoli, cabbage and brussel sprouts) stimulate both Phase I and Phase II)
i know this is an old thread but liv.52 by himalaya pharmaceuticals is unparalleled for liver support/detoxification. it’s cheap as hell, and has been around since the 1950’s and has like, 138 independent studies proving it works for all kinds of different things. ive been taking it for 6-7 months and my bloodwork is amazing. now, i dont think i had any problems before i started taking it, and the reason i had bloodwork done was for a staph infection, but still, the liver is doing fantastic so im sure the liv52 has something to do with that. oh and never a sip of alcohol.