Has anyone here tried this? If so, what dose? Results? How would one measure a fluid which is 200mcg/ml?
Yes. Just got it. I will be using this soon. In order to ramp up and ramp down, with clen and T-3, I ordered a oral syringe for this. Use this link.
http://www.researchlabsupply.com/Scripts/prodList.asp?idCategory=33
BTW, Yes to your other post also. There are some brewers here, they probably haven’t seen your post yet.
Myself, I am a novice and will be starting my first within the next 2 weeks.
JW
Just use a regular syringe, remove needle, squirt into mouth
Local Pharmacy. Look in the infant medicine section. $3.99 if I recall correctly.
[quote]willijeJW wrote:
Yes. Just got it. I will be using this soon. In order to ramp up and ramp down, with clen and T-3, I ordered a oral syringe for this. Use this link.
http://www.researchlabsupply.com/Scripts/prodList.asp?idCategory=33
BTW, Yes to your other post also. There are some brewers here, they probably haven’t seen your post yet.
Myself, I am a novice and will be starting my first within the next 2 weeks.
JW
[/quote]
Will,
did you get yours from the liquidclen site? (green and white dopper vial) thanks
Currently I’m using Liquid Clen from AG-Guys.com . It’s dosed at 200mcg/ml, and comes in a dropper bottle. Basically, I’d reccomend using an insulin syringe (needle removed) to insure totally accurate dosing. You want to be able to distinguish between 1/4ml doses at least, or you could end up taking 100mcg at once (shake-city) instead of 20-40mcg (a reasonable dose).
I got mine from liquidclen.com Its a big step up from the “oxyflux” underdosed 2mcg tabs.
Thoughts on Clen an its effect on Cardiac tissue?
Freak
[quote]Genetic_Freak wrote:
Will,
did you get yours from the liquidclen site? (green and white dopper vial) thanks[/quote]
AG GUYS. PM me if you need more info.
BTW Freak, Welcome to the wonderful world of T-Nation!
Let me know if you need something, always willing to help a brutha out.
JW
Freak,
I have read reports that clen can actually harden cardiac tissue causing somewhat of a splintering effect in time. this was actually echoed by a doctor on the Today show this morning as they were doing some consumer awareness on clen.
i have heard that albuterol is a safer and more effective alternative for clen. you have less sides and better muscle sparing qualities even though both are beta 2 agonists. i have read several logs on other boards where guys have used both and like albuterol much more. i’ll se if i can find some more info or maybe AR can chime in.
here is one study, kind of vague though on all of the specifics
http://www.med.ucla.edu/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=154
Thanks, The article was interesting. Not the same drugs but, similar mechanism of action. My use would be “moderation” compared to a chronic medical condition…Feak
here’s the good stuff:
Albuterol, like its closely related chemical cousin clenbuterol, is an asthma medication that has been adopted by athletes and bodybuilders as an ergogenic aid. Like clenbuterol, albuterol binds to the so called beta 2 adrenergic receptors found on cells throughout the body. The beta 2 receptors on fat cells activate an enzyme called hormone sensitive lipase. This breaks up stored fat into free fatty acids that are able to then leave the fat cell and serve as a fuel source in other tissues. In athletes the primary target of these fatty acids is working muscle. This is the familiar process we know as lipolysis. Albuterol, like clen, is a potent lipolytic agent. But simply freeing up fat is not enough. Unless the body can burn the extra FFA they will simply be reincorporated into fat. Albuterol has the ability to elevate a person’s metabolic rate so these FFA can be utilized for fuel.
Numerous animal studies have shown that clenbuterol increases both muscle size and strength; data supporting these effects in humans are sparse. Albuterol on the the other hand has been shown to significantly increase both strength and endurance in humans (1,2). As an added benfit, albuterol lowers LDL and total cholesterol, while at the same time elevating HDL, the “good cholesterol”:
“Significant alterations (P < or = .02) were observed in total cholesterol ([TC] -9.1% +/- 2.5%), low-density lipoprotein cholesterol ([LDL-C] - 15.0% +/- 2.9%), and high-density lipoprotein cholesterol ([HDL-C] +10.4% +/- 3.2%) concentrations, as well as the TC/HDL-C (-17.4% +/- 2.6%) and LDL-C/HDL-C (-22.9% +/- 2.4%) ratios.” (3)
4 mg of albuterol taken approximately 1 to 2 hours before a workout allows for peak plasma levels to be reached during the training session. Additionally the much shorter half life of albuterol compared to clenbuterol allows one to benefit from its ergogenic effects during a training session but not suffer the sleeplessness that many clenbuterol users experience. Moreover, the short half life leads to much less beta 2 receptor downregulation than with clenbuterol, allowing one to use the drug daily for longer periods of time. On the other hand, if one is primarily interested in fat loss rather than performance enhancement, one could take 3 or 4 multiple doses of albuterol throughout the day, always of course cutting back if clenbuterol-like side effects are felt.
Albuterol, like its closely related chemical cousin clenbuterol, is an asthma medication that has been adopted by athletes and bodybuilders as an ergogenic aid. Like clenbuterol, albuterol binds to the so called beta 2 adrenergic receptors found on cells throughout the body. The beta 2 receptors on fat cells activate an enzyme called hormone sensitive lipase. This breaks up stored fat into free fatty acids that are able to then leave the fat cell and serve as a fuel source in other tissues. In athletes the primary target of these fatty acids is working muscle. This is the familiar process we know as lipolysis. Albuterol, like clen, is a potent lipolytic agent. But simply freeing up fat is not enough. Unless the body can burn the extra FFA they will simply be reincorporated into fat. Albuterol has the ability to elevate a person’s metabolic rate so these FFA can be utilized for fuel.
Numerous animal studies have shown that clenbuterol increases both muscle size and strength; data supporting these effects in humans are sparse. Albuterol on the the other hand has been shown to significantly increase both strength and endurance in humans (1,2). As an added benfit, albuterol lowers LDL and total cholesterol, while at the same time elevating HDL, the “good cholesterol”:
“Significant alterations (P < or = .02) were observed in total cholesterol ([TC] -9.1% +/- 2.5%), low-density lipoprotein cholesterol ([LDL-C] - 15.0% +/- 2.9%), and high-density lipoprotein cholesterol ([HDL-C] +10.4% +/- 3.2%) concentrations, as well as the TC/HDL-C (-17.4% +/- 2.6%) and LDL-C/HDL-C (-22.9% +/- 2.4%) ratios.” (3)
4 mg of albuterol taken approximately 1 to 2 hours before a workout allows for peak plasma levels to be reached during the training session. Additionally the much shorter half life of albuterol compared to clenbuterol allows one to benefit from its ergogenic effects during a training session but not suffer the sleeplessness that many clenbuterol users experience. Moreover, the short half life leads to much less beta 2 receptor downregulation than with clenbuterol, allowing one to use the drug daily for longer periods of time. On the other hand, if one is primarily interested in fat loss rather than performance enhancement, one could take 3 or 4 multiple doses of albuterol throughout the day, always of course cutting back if clenbuterol-like side effects are felt.
(1) Med Sci Sports Exerc. 2000 Jul;32(7):1300-6. Effect of salbutamol on muscle strength and endurance performance in nonasthmatic men. van Baak MA, Mayer LH, Kempinski RE, Hartgens F.
(2) Aviat Space Environ Med. 2004 Jun;75(6):505-11 Albuterol helps resistance exercise attenuate unloading-induced knee extensor losses. Caruso JF, Hamill JL, Yamauchi M, Mercado DR, Cook TD, Keller CP, Montgomery AG, Elias J.
(3) Metabolism. 1996 Jun;45(6):712-7 Effects of oral albuterol on serum lipids and carbohydrate metabolism in healthy men. Maki KC, Skorodin MS, Jessen JH, Laghi F.
more,
Albuterol does not effect VO2 max and improves strength
Med Sci Sports Exerc. 2000 Jul;32(7):1300-6. Related Articles, Links
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Effect of salbutamol on muscle strength and endurance performance in nonasthmatic men.
van Baak MA, Mayer LH, Kempinski RE, Hartgens F.
Department of Human Biology, Maastricht University, The Netherlands.
PURPOSE: The ergogenic effect of acute beta2-adrenergic agonist administration in nonasthmatic individuals has not been clearly demonstrated. Therefore, the acute effects of oral administration of the beta2-adrenergic agonist salbutamol (4 mg) on muscle strength and endurance performance were studied in 16 nonasthmatic men in a double-blind randomized cross-over study. METHODS: Peak expiratory flow (Mini Wright Peakflowmeter), isokinetic strength of the knee extensors and knee flexors at four angular velocities (Cybex II dynamometer), and endurance performance in a cycle ergometer test until exhaustion at 70% of maximal workload were measured. RESULTs: Peak expiratory flow increased from 601 +/- 67 L x min(-1) to 629 +/- 64 L x min(-1) after salbutamol (P < 0.05). Peak torque was higher after salbutamol than after placebo (4.4% for the knee extensors, 4.9% for the knee flexors) (P < 0.05). Mean endurance time increased from 3,039 +/- 1,031 s after placebo to 3,439 +/- 1,287 s after salbutamol (P = 0.19). When four subjects complaining about adverse side effects were excluded from the analysis, the increase in endurance time (729 +/- 1,007 s or 29%) was statistically significant (P <-0.05). Salbutamol did not affect VO2, respiratory exchange ratio, heart rate, and plasma free fatty acid and glycerol concentration during exercise; plasma lactate and potassium concentrations were increased (P < 0.05). CONCLUSIONS: Under the conditions of this study, oral salbutamol appears to be an effective ergogenic aid in nonasthmatic individuals not experiencing adverse side effects.
the presentation was very well doen. Third party lab anaysis with the clen and the dropper was plastic with 1/10 ml increments(each 20mcg) liquidclen.com has got my attention. Go easy on this stufff guys. Its strong…Freak
Hey guys I’m new to the board but have done some research. My question is, I am starting a cycle of liquid clen ( my bottle is 100mcg/60ml ). I have an oral 1ml syringe and along the sides it has .1, .2, .3, and soforth all the way up to 1ml. If I am starting at 20mcg a day, how much would I draw up? Any info would be helpful, thanks guys
Hey Guys, newbie here.
Just ordered the Liquid Clen from Ag-guys. Can anyone tell me, in terms of drops (due to the fact that is comes with dropper)what should my dosing schedule be? I’m roughly 230 lbs.
I’m new to the site too! I’ve been taking the tablets, but they’re not doing anything for me. As of tonight, I’ll have a bottle of liquid Clen in my hand! I have all different size syringes, very small insilin too! (I pick them up when I fill my husband’s prescriptions $.10 to $.25 a piece) What’s the difference between mcg/ml or are they the same thing?
Mine’s not coming from a website, so I don’t have the ready made info. available. I was taking T-4 with the Clen, but the T-4 was making me ill. I did fine on Clen and Ephedrine! I felt 100% when I removed T-4 from my cycle. Should I substitute the T-4 with something else? I’m very new to all of this. My husband is a Personal Trainer, but some things are better left unsaid or not asked! I want lose weight so very badly, but nothing seems to work. I’m obese and there’s no way to sugar coat it. I need to lose at least 60lbs. Please help if you can!!
[quote]treedoles wrote:
I’m new to the site too! I’ve been taking the tablets, but they’re not doing anything for me. As of tonight, I’ll have a bottle of liquid Clen in my hand! I have all different size syringes, very small insilin too! (I pick them up when I fill my husband’s prescriptions $.10 to $.25 a piece) What’s the difference between mcg/ml or are they the same thing?
Mine’s not coming from a website, so I don’t have the ready made info. available. I was taking T-4 with the Clen, but the T-4 was making me ill. I did fine on Clen and Ephedrine! I felt 100% when I removed T-4 from my cycle. Should I substitute the T-4 with something else? I’m very new to all of this. My husband is a Personal Trainer, but some things are better left unsaid or not asked! I want lose weight so very badly, but nothing seems to work. I’m obese and there’s no way to sugar coat it. I need to lose at least 60lbs. Please help if you can!! [/quote]
It’s called a diet.
[quote]treedoles wrote:
I’m new to the site too! I’ve been taking the tablets, but they’re not doing anything for me. As of tonight, I’ll have a bottle of liquid Clen in my hand! I have all different size syringes, very small insilin too! (I pick them up when I fill my husband’s prescriptions $.10 to $.25 a piece) What’s the difference between mcg/ml or are they the same thing?
Mine’s not coming from a website, so I don’t have the ready made info. available. I was taking T-4 with the Clen, but the T-4 was making me ill. I did fine on Clen and Ephedrine! I felt 100% when I removed T-4 from my cycle. Should I substitute the T-4 with something else? I’m very new to all of this. My husband is a Personal Trainer, but some things are better left unsaid or not asked! I want lose weight so very badly, but nothing seems to work. I’m obese and there’s no way to sugar coat it. I need to lose at least 60lbs. Please help if you can!! [/quote]
Ms,
If you have 60+ pounds to use, please do not use stimulants, you dont need them. Chances are you have high blood pressure or high cholesterol and those stims can “mess with” your heart rate, and clen can actually increase the size of it. Its dangerous, and should only be used BBers trying to get to a very low bodyfat. I would recommend a low carb diet If you want to pm me, I can give you more details…
[quote]egnatiosj wrote:
Ms,
If you have 60+ pounds to use, please do not use stimulants, you dont need them. Chances are you have high blood pressure or high cholesterol and those stims can “mess with” your heart rate, and clen can actually increase the size of it. Its dangerous, and should only be used BBers trying to get to a very low bodyfat. I would recommend a low carb diet If you want to pm me, I can give you more details…[/quote]
eg I commend you on your patience, I couldn’t deal with that tonight haha. Lady I would PM this guy, he knows his shit. And PLEASE do not use clen. He gave you all really good reasons. Either way if you are that overweight you do not have a firm grib on nutrition which is way more important than using a potentially dangerous stimulant.
If you’re husband is a PT, why don’t you have him help you diet down? That seems like the obvious choice.
/end hijack sorry OP
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
It’s called a diet.[/quote]
Gosh, You’re so sweet! I already diet! I’ve changed my diet years ago! I don’t eat bread or potatoes. I eat very low calories, no sugar. Brown rice, everything wheat, etc. I walk and jog on the treadmill at least 30 min. daily. I do a dumbbell routine. I’m doing everything right, but still not losing weight!