Lingerie Bowl Training

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I think there are at least 2 different arguments going on here. I don’t condemn them for playing. I believe in a woman’s right to play in the LFL like I believe in a woman’s right to be a stripper. What I take issue with is the bar they are setting for other women and young female athletes today, reinforcing the gender bias that for a woman to be noticed for a sport she must be sexually attractive by traditional standards and honestly I’m surprised that more women here don’t also take issue with that bias.

My second point was that my first issue stems from the fact that this is presented as real women’s football and that these women are real football players. It isn’t and they aren’t. If this was presented as strictly entertainment, I would take not issue with it at all because then it wouldn’t be reinforcing gender bias in sports because they wouldn’t call it a sport. I hope I’m being clear. The fact that this is promoted as “women’s football” is offensive to real football players who never get noticed because no one wants to see “masculine” women knock the snot out of each other. Considering most of the women on this board would be considered masculine by the general public simply because they lift heavy weights, I’m shocked more of you don’t relate.

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For the sake of time saving, should I continue to monitor this thread?

I don’t give a fuck about any of your opinions about the “morality” of the lingerie bowl. It’s a useless and completely unproductive argument. It’s lingerie football and this particular female wants to play, because she’s attractive and wants to play football. Who cares if there is a deeper reason. Who are any of you to judge another person just because their shoes don’t fit your feet? Shut the fuck up and ignore it.

I don’t have experience in this particular field (Being strong enough to play football, as well as being attractive enough to play in lingerie), and there is no where I can send her (don’t say, “send her here” because this thread would have gone in a different direction if a woman started it, right?). So if any of you can provide me with some actual training techniques (aside from “do squats and run with weight” which any retard would know), without any useless comments about how I am an idiot or am probably a scrawny bitch or have no idea how to train, I would be appreciative.

This is what this woman wants to do, she asked for my help, I’m not going to turn her down. I came here to ask for your help in writing a good program to increase her chances of getting accepted. I figured the, seemingly, intelligent and helpful people here could accomplish this goal. If I am wasting my time tell me now.
Thank you.

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[quote]patrickmcmahon wrote:
For the sake of time saving, should I continue to monitor this thread?

I don’t give a fuck about any of your opinions about the “morality” of the lingerie bowl. It’s a useless and completely unproductive argument. It’s lingerie football and this particular female wants to play, because she’s attractive and wants to play football. Who cares if there is a deeper reason. Who are any of you to judge another person just because their shoes don’t fit your feet? Shut the fuck up and ignore it.

I don’t have experience in this particular field (Being strong enough to play football, as well as being attractive enough to play in lingerie), and there is no where I can send her (don’t say, “send her here” because this thread would have gone in a different direction if a woman started it, right?). So if any of you can provide me with some actual training techniques (aside from “do squats and run with weight” which any retard would know), without any useless comments about how I am an idiot or am probably a scrawny bitch or have no idea how to train, I would be appreciative.

This is what this woman wants to do, she asked for my help, I’m not going to turn her down. I came here to ask for your help in writing a good program to increase her chances of getting accepted. I figured the, seemingly, intelligent and helpful people here could accomplish this goal. If I am wasting my time tell me now.
Thank you.[/quote]

Id say stop monitoring it, for a few reasons. I, for one, have no interest in helping an asshole such as yourself do jack shit for your friend. Do I know how to train athletes for the game of football? Absolutely. I also get PAID to do it. If you had specific questions, Id help (until you made the asshole post quoted above), but your out of your mind if you think I, or anyone with the appropriate knowledge and skill base to write a program worth a fuck is just going to do it out of the goodness of our hearts. Maybe before you told her you would help you should have thought, or perhaps realized, you had no fucking idea what you were doing. Maybe now you will tell her. Also, Im willing to bet that most of the posters here dont give a fuck about your quandry of not knowing what to do, nor do they care, much as you dont give a fuck, nor care for, their discussion.

Id suggest, as you so eloquently put it, doing what “any retard would know,” as it seems to fit well in your skill set for this situation.

Hope this helps!
Jason

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[quote]JPeggEFS wrote:

Id say stop monitoring it, for a few reasons. I, for one, have no interest in helping an asshole such as yourself do jack shit for your friend. Do I know how to train athletes for the game of football? Absolutely. I also get PAID to do it. If you had specific questions, Id help (until you made the asshole post quoted above), but your out of your mind if you think I, or anyone with the appropriate knowledge and skill base to write a program worth a fuck is just going to do it out of the goodness of our hearts. Maybe before you told her you would help you should have thought, or perhaps realized, you had no fucking idea what you were doing. Maybe now you will tell her. Also, Im willing to bet that most of the posters here dont give a fuck about your quandry of not knowing what to do, nor do they care, much as you dont give a fuck, nor care for, their discussion.

Id suggest, as you so eloquently put it, doing what “any retard would know,” as it seems to fit well in your skill set for this situation.

Hope this helps!
Jason [/quote]

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[quote]Bobbi Miller wrote:
I think there are at least 2 different arguments going on here. I don’t condemn them for playing. I believe in a woman’s right to play in the LFL like I believe in a woman’s right to be a stripper. What I take issue with is the bar they are setting for other women and young female athletes today, reinforcing the gender bias that for a woman to be noticed for a sport she must be sexually attractive by traditional standards and honestly I’m surprised that more women here don’t also take issue with that bias.[/quote]

without making a personal attack, and realizing that this thread is fubar from where it started, i hafta ask a question/make an observation.

from what i see here, you think its ok for these women to play in the lfl (respect their right to do it), but dont think it’s ok (because you disapprove of the bar it might set* for women in other football leagues and other sports).

i dont think those two points are mutually exclusive, because the right comes with the consequences once someone acts on that right, and what you’re taking issue with are the consequences.

it seems inconsistent, and if im missing something, i’d like to hear more about it.

  • i say “might set” because i really can’t convince myself that too many people will see this as more than entertainment. women in sports have been around long enough to have attained the rougher, tougher image that these women are shying away from, and i dont feel that the female athlete image is in any danger. on the contrary side; if a pretty, breakable type started in the LFL and realized she wanted something more serious, i’d be proud that she “saw the light” and wanted to excel at something else. something she might not have taken an interest in otherwise.

i can see why some women football players would find offensive the allegation that LFL is real football. however, i’d hope that most of them would take themselves, and their sport, seriously enough to brush off this silliness.

as one of the women here considered more masculine than the general public- i’ve made and kept that image for myself for a reason. i cant be bothered with most of the ridiculousness i find in styling my hair, doing my nails, wearing makeup or high heels, as i take the rest of my life far too seriously. my priorities have nothing to do with being “pretty,” and i would, in no way, be offended by any women calling themselves a powerlifter with a different set of priorities for themselves.

taking it one step farther, i’d offer encouragement where i could, and celebrate each small victory with the bitch. :wink:

unless they had a friend plus or minus a few chromosomes asking for help on an anonymous, free, public internet forum and threw a fit reminiscent of a 2 year old when the conversation strayed away from any possibility of the anonymous, free help that was asked.

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Statements like “Well if you were wondering if you’re going to see some real football, wonder no more,” “one of the things that the ladies said was, don’t treat us like ladies, treat us like football players” and “you can see that these girls know football,” is more than a little ridiculous.

I don’t support the “league” and I don’t support the way that they promote it and the crowd that shows up. A mob of drunken men who want to see hot half naked girls basically catfight in pads and if they’re lucky, tear each other’s clothes off.

I wouldn’t care as much as I do if it wasn’t for the fact that they push it as real women’s football which can be confusing as most people don’t know that there are real women’s pro leagues. Imagine if you were a professional soccer player and all of a sudden this league came out where a bunch of hooters girls put on bikinis and kicked a ball around on a half sized field with no real plays, skills, technique, speed - none of it - and it was promoted everywhere as women’s soccer with statements like “well if you were wondering if you’re going to see some real soccer, wonder no more” and “you can see that these girls really know soccer”. Wouldn’t you be a little irritated with that?

That’s about all I have to say on this topic.

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[quote]Bobbi Miller wrote:
Wouldn’t you be a little irritated with that?[/quote]

no, i wouldnt, because anyone with an iq higher than a grapefruit would realize its ridiculous.

everyone else, well, i’ll see at work on tuesday when they come to fill their rx’s.

stallone, do you know where you are? how many fingers am i holding up?

^^^^
not real wrestling.

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[quote]nlmain wrote:
I would pay to see good-looking men play football in their undies. anyone volunteering?[/quote]

<---------------raises hand----------------------------------!

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Really tho-

I, for one, hate to be objectified. I hate walking into the store, only to recieve the lustful gazes of wimmenz.

I hate to be at the bar, having a beer or two with my freinds only to be constantly hit on by drunk chicks.

I hate to be at a party, only to be pawed at and slobbered on by every female in the room, young, old, married, single…just never ends.

can’t someone want to spend time with me cause of my personality or my mind forchristsake?

(not really, I love the attention and I’m kinda slutty, so I’m down with alladatshit)

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So its ok for a gaggle of drunken men pay to see some sweaty half naked men hit each other (UFC) but its not ok to for those same guys to pay to see women tackling each other. I’m detecting a reinforcement of an irritating double-standard here.

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[quote]7thSonofa7thSon wrote:
So its ok for a gaggle of drunken men pay to see some sweaty half naked men hit each other (UFC) but its not ok to for those same guys to pay to see women tackling each other. I’m detecting a reinforcement of an irritating double-standard here.[/quote]

Unless the drunken men are spanking it later to the images of the UFC fighters (in their panties) then it really isn’t the same thing. Unless they do. Do they?

It really is all specatacle though; just different flavours.

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Why is this an issue? Women and men are objectified for bizarre reasons. For some people it’s feet, business shoes, there is even clown porn so imagine when Barnum and Bailey hits town. Thank goodness women do have the right to choose whatever they want to do (mostly).

Does anyone really think this is going to be taken as a serious football game? I would bet some, if not all those women are trying hard in every game, but they must know it isn’t their athleticism that is the draw, but their bodies. Who cares?

Their doing that does not degrade me.

Geez… when BushidoBadBoy did the Naked Butler thing did a bunch of guys jump on him for denigrating the role of men? Somehow he managed not to tear down the fabric of male society with his personal choice.

The sisterhood has a severe wedgy up their collective asses.

To the OP, why not PM MaximusB or Modok? Both of them played college football and could probably help you out. You may also want to try Bryan Krahn, Bret Contreras and Chris Colucci. All of those guys are really helpful.

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I pretty much agree with OG…

it’s 2010 and there still is and there will always be stereotypes and ways of behaving that women are expected to live up to. There are certain ways we are supposed to act and certain roles that we should take on, etc blah blah blah… for the rest of mankind…

If women want to get half naked and play football, who cares?? If I knew how to play football and could look half as good as those women, I’d probably do it too.

You only live once! I don’t see how it’s any different than some of the women here who lift to be strong and post or have posted naughty(but appreciable) pics…(myself included on occasion) And what about female wrestling? Does anyone remember GLOW? lol…I used to want to BE one of those girls, haha!

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And I forget the name of the very tall, leggy Blonde girl who was in the WWE…oh man, she was hot!

And what about American Gladiators?(the tv show) Those girls are dressed sexy.

I’m not for it or against it… I’m not going to burn my bra over it though.

I have a degree in Sports Management. It’s just another way to make money…

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Stacy Kiebler!! That’s her name.

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

Why is this an issue? Women and men are objectified for bizarre reasons. For some people it’s feet, business shoes, there is even clown porn so imagine when Barnum and Bailey hits town. Thank goodness women do have the right to choose whatever they want to do (mostly).

[/quote]

Agreed. And yet again, this is not the argument that some of us are making, so I think we can move past this.

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

Does anyone really think this is going to be taken as a serious football game? I would bet some, if not all those women are trying hard in every game, but they must know it isn’t their athleticism that is the draw, but their bodies. Who cares?

[/quote]

The fact that the OP has started this thread suggests that he and his friend are both taking this serious enough to want to train for it, so you’re argument that this is not “serious football” is problematic. Plus, don’t you think its a bit insulting for this anonymous would-be lingerie football player to want to train for something that no one will take seriously? Kinda sucks for her, huh?

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

Geez… when BushidoBadBoy did the Naked Butler thing did a bunch of guys jump on him for denigrating the role of men? Somehow he managed not to tear down the fabric of male society with his personal choice.

[/quote]

Please explain how a naked butler has anything to do with a discussion regarding women and sport…?

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
The sisterhood has a severe wedgy up their collective asses.

[/quote]

How about this - some of us in the sisterhood play women’s team sports. Have you ever played on a women’s team? There is something very sacred and special playing sports with women that I have a personal affection for. Its an avenue for women to bond, to be physical, to build confidence, etc., etc.

Furthermore, there are tons of studies that suggest that women’s sports actually help women in their personal and profesional lives later in life. Here’s one:

Women’s sports lacks funding and interest, we don’t get the same field conditions, equipment, playing times, and this is both throughout high school and college and whatever professional leagues exist. In terms of sport, women are second class citizens. Does this makes me uptight? Yes, it does.

So you can understand why women playing in underwear and getting more recognition for it, both in terms of access and funding, might make some of us take issue with perpetuating this “sport” when there are women all over the country who have to spend time fighting for us to play sport legitimately.

I agree with you and with what Cbear said (and i paraphrase Cbear, so sorry and please do correct) that there will always be things in life that you won’t agree with. But for some of us, taking the path of least resistance and saying “oh well, to each his own” negates all the work that the women before us had to put in just to get the chance to play sports.

I’m not trying to be rude here, i’m just trying to convey that playing sports as a female merits more than just turning a blind eye to what’s being viewed by the general public. It also means educating other individuals about what is entailed in playing women’s sports, especially when you’re the kind of girl that prefers to play sports on equal footing to men and not as some glorified sex symbol.

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Don’t hurt me Maschy! I respect your love and hard work you put in for the game and not letting it play YOU!

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[quote]mom-in-MD wrote:
Don’t hurt me Maschy! I respect your love and hard work you put in for the game and not letting it play YOU! [/quote]

HAHAHAH! I <3 you!

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
The sisterhood has a severe wedgy up their collective asses.
[/quote]

This is a pretty shitty thing to say to female athletes wanting to discuss an issue that affects them directly.

I’m not an athlete and I only do this training thing for health, recreation and vanity but here are women here on the other hand who are athletes and have every right to have a discussion without being belittled for it by someone who is not.

Edit: My comment isn’t about your position by the way but your tone.

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[quote]Mascherano wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

Why is this an issue? Women and men are objectified for bizarre reasons. For some people it’s feet, business shoes, there is even clown porn so imagine when Barnum and Bailey hits town. Thank goodness women do have the right to choose whatever they want to do (mostly).

[/quote]

Agreed. And yet again, this is not the argument that some of us are making, so I think we can move past this.

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

Does anyone really think this is going to be taken as a serious football game? I would bet some, if not all those women are trying hard in every game, but they must know it isn’t their athleticism that is the draw, but their bodies. Who cares?

[/quote]

The fact that the OP has started this thread suggests that he and his friend are both taking this serious enough to want to train for it, so you’re argument that this is not “serious football” is problematic. Plus, don’t you think its a bit insulting for this anonymous would-be lingerie football player to want to train for something that no one will take seriously? Kinda sucks for her, huh?

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

Geez… when BushidoBadBoy did the Naked Butler thing did a bunch of guys jump on him for denigrating the role of men? Somehow he managed not to tear down the fabric of male society with his personal choice.

[/quote]

Please explain how a naked butler has anything to do with a discussion regarding women and sport…?

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
The sisterhood has a severe wedgy up their collective asses.

[/quote]

How about this - some of us in the sisterhood play women’s team sports. Have you ever played on a women’s team? There is something very sacred and special playing sports with women that I have a personal affection for. Its an avenue for women to bond, to be physical, to build confidence, etc., etc.

Furthermore, there are tons of studies that suggest that women’s sports actually help women in their personal and profesional lives later in life. Here’s one:

Women’s sports lacks funding and interest, we don’t get the same field conditions, equipment, playing times, and this is both throughout high school and college and whatever professional leagues exist. In terms of sport, women are second class citizens. Does this makes me uptight? Yes, it does.

So you can understand why women playing in underwear and getting more recognition for it, both in terms of access and funding, might make some of us take issue with perpetuating this “sport” when there are women all over the country who have to spend time fighting for us to play sport legitimately.

I agree with you and with what Cbear said (and i paraphrase Cbear, so sorry and please do correct) that there will always be things in life that you won’t agree with. But for some of us, taking the path of least resistance and saying “oh well, to each his own” negates all the work that the women before us had to put in just to get the chance to play sports.

I’m not trying to be rude here, i’m just trying to convey that playing sports as a female merits more than just turning a blind eye to what’s being viewed by the general public. It also means educating other individuals about what is entailed in playing women’s sports, especially when you’re the kind of girl that prefers to play sports on equal footing to men and not as some glorified sex symbol.[/quote]

Just because you’ve moved past a point in a thread doesn’t mean I won’t comment on it.

I played and still play team sports. I even played on a boy’s baseball team because they didn’t have a girl’s softball team where we lived.

GREAT!!! if the woman wants to take it seriously and do a good job. That is a GREAT work ethic. I applaud her. I don’t think it sucks for her. I think if that is what she wants to do and she wants to work hard and take it seriously, good for her. Because I don’t take it seriously doesn’t mean she shouldn’t. When I was a secretary I loved that I typed 90wpm, LOVED IT and I took it seriously. It isn’t that great of an accomplishment but I took pride in doing a good job.

The example of Bushy is an example of a man who used his sexuality to make some money. Most issues aren’t as specific as we would like to think they are. If you’ve read the posts, strippers and everything else has been thrown around, even newscasters. Just because you report sports doesn’t mean you play sports, but they have been mentioned.

You are right that women’s sports don’t get enough funding, but we are such a long way from where we were. When I was in high school I wasn’t allowed to take Engineering because they wanted the class for boys because they would make a career out of their learning.

Things are changing in regards to opportunity. Thank goodness for that. But in regards to the economics that is driven by the market. Regarding professional sports, driven by the market. If I were a parent I would want equal funding and equal opportunity, but I am not, and I am not going to fight that battle. Let the parents do that.

I don’t hold my team playing sacred. I hold how I play and how I am as a teammate to a high standard, but no… not sacred. I have far more important things in my life that are sacred than a sport. My teammates know if I show up I put in all my effort that is all that matters. They know they can count on me to back them up or tell them where I need help but sacred? Please, I got family with needs that I hold sacred.

EDIT: I was actually thinking of my response to DebraD’s comment on my post and what I typed made me realize that my perspective is skewed in that I enjoy sports and play them, I don’t hold them sacred, it isn’t my career, and it isn’t my motivation for my physicality, so in that my comments probably seem cavalier. That is not my intention. I just am not outraged or even dismayed at Lingerie Football, I am actually more hopeful that it can evolve into more opportunities for women. Change doesn’t always take the course we want. It starts off with this, but it can change into something better.