[quote]Bobbi Miller wrote:
There are 4 professional female football leagues. I’ve played in 2 of them. If these women were good enough or actually cared about football they’d play in the real “full gear, NFL rules” leagues. This league is about hot women FIRST, football players SECOND. They sell tickets because they’re half naked, not because of the football. Let’s not kid ourselves.
For a woman to be noticed for a sport she must be half naked and “hot” by traditional standards is infuriating. Look at some of the most well known women in sports. How many have done a Maxim or FHM photo shoot?
These women dress in next to nothing and knock each other around for the amusement of drunken men to hoot and holler over them. Why are women still basing their self worth on how many men want to have sex with them? It tends to be that confident, talented women don’t need to whore themselves out for the approval of the opposite sex. I would think strong women like the ones of this board would expect more in this day and age. [/quote]
This no T&A session, they are hitting pretty hard, and running their asses off. I do with the field was a bit bigger, you have touchdowns on almost every play with poor tackling. OP, basically she needs to train like a football player (duh), quick feet, strong/explosive hips, powerful back are some good things to work on. Strongman (or strongwoman in the case) stuff is great.
[quote]Bobbi Miller wrote:
There are 4 professional female football leagues. I’ve played in 2 of them. If these women were good enough or actually cared about football they’d play in the real “full gear, NFL rules” leagues. This league is about hot women FIRST, football players SECOND. They sell tickets because they’re half naked, not because of the football. Let’s not kid ourselves.
For a woman to be noticed for a sport she must be half naked and “hot” by traditional standards is infuriating. Look at some of the most well known women in sports. How many have done a Maxim or FHM photo shoot?
These women dress in next to nothing and knock each other around for the amusement of drunken men to hoot and holler over them. Why are women still basing their self worth on how many men want to have sex with them? It tends to be that confident, talented women don’t need to whore themselves out for the approval of the opposite sex. I would think strong women like the ones of this board would expect more in this day and age. [/quote]
I like a strong woman who can take care of herself personally. On principal, I agree with you, but I am a lifestyle libertarian so I won’t be judging them at all. Also as a point of interest: Alot of guys base there self worth on how many girls want to have sex with them too. Its a two way street, its just more pronounced on the female side because of pre-existing gender stereotypes.[/quote]
I don’t know why judging is so frowned upon. How else do you evaluate yourself and the people around you?
On topic I am of the mind of Masch and Bobbi. Even as someone who has objectified herself I see how something like this can ridicule female athletes. I don’t personally see a problem with objectification under some circumstances (sort of) but like Bobbi said, lets not kid ourselves as the nature of this ‘sport.’
But like deja, I also like to objectify women and certainly enjoy the show of T&A. However I do see the problems it can create for women who do not wish to be objectified and would like to be valued for their skills rather than their sex appeal. ( It’s a bit of a conflict for me personally to have the awareness of the issues surrounding the objectification of women but being in the habit of doing it both as the object and the one doing the objectification–I recognize the hypocrisy for sure)
women will continue to dress provocatively, in whatever degree, for as long as being sexy gets you somewhere. feeling attractive is, has been, and will continue to be important, no matter what attractive seems to be at the moment (latin curvy, heroin chic, etc).
im sure these women would look at a highly paid desk job with a bigger salary and no focus on their looks and turn up their nose higher than the other posters in here.
they WANT to be pretty, to be objectified, and to have drunk men drooling and jerking off to them.
ever listen to them talk? they don’t sound as if they know what a grip on the good kings english is, and probably think articulating a thought is dirty talk.
whether it’s true or not, thats what they’re CHOOSING to sound like, and they’re pretty happy about it.
either stop bitching about it, or stop dressing to show off your physique and posting naked pictures on the internet.
take up a real cause… like, getting into the brains of young women, before they hit puberty, and convincing them that being beautiful and needing approval from the sex you’re attracted to are NOT the same thing.
Have her do squats. Forty yard dashes, leg curls/extensions. Have her (with a group of 2-4 other women) do hundred yard (or 50 yard) sprints with tires connected via a chain or rope to a belt around her waist (the tire will be dragging behind her as she runs).
Also have her do powercleans, and or clean and jerks. If she can do all that stuff, after a few months of training she will be hitting really fucking hard, running fast, and pushing people around (probably harder than you can, because it sounds like you don’t know how to train)
You know what, yes, I am a man (just barely, 28 years old) and a former sociology major. Lets get real about this horrible thing about ‘objectifying’ women. Yes, it is bad to objectify ANY person, but secondly, this is sports entertainment. Yes, they are engaging in athletic activities, but this (in my opinion) is better than WWE ‘wrestling’ and a lot better than the fucking romans having gladiators fight to the death or feeding people to lions. (yes, I just used those two things as comparisons)
These women are choosing to engage in this activity, and unlike porn or stripping it is novel and a true display of some level of athleticism. My guess is they are being compensated in some kind of way, whether it be through money, food/benefits/supplements or free healthcare!
I tell you what, If I could, I would do what they are doing. So drop the ‘horror of them being objectified’ and move on with your bleeding heart liberal or uptight conservative lives.
I don’t understand why some posters are saying that we should stop talking about the objectification of women in sport.
Are you saying that “powerful women” can’t also be thoughtful and reflective of our position as athletic females living in a society that yet understands how to support women who want to display athleticism and muscularity, both in sport and in our every day lives?
Cbear, I understand what you’re saying and I think its great that women can choose to objectify themselves - and i do choose it for myself at times (as you allude). But I think a lot of women such as myself feel there’s a tenuous line between being feminine and sexualized and being athletic and masculinized - which also creates a lot of conflict for many athletic females. Discussions like this are helpful and enlightening, and not simply about bitching.
Perhaps I am a quarter gay; or just more elightened than most, but I do not correlate athleticism with masculine. Now defined muscles are getting closer to masculine; but I think women can be fit and have some tone/definition and still be feminine. When getting to vascular and delineated muscles is when I feel it becomes masculine; of course these last two sentences are my opinion.
[quote]Mascherano wrote:
a lot of women such as myself feel there’s a tenuous line between being feminine and sexualized and being athletic and masculinized - which also creates a lot of conflict for many athletic females. Discussions like this are helpful and enlightening, and not simply about bitching.[/quote]
that line will always be fine, and you will have no control over where it is. it’s up to the people who are judging you, their tastes, their mood at the moment. If they happen to verbalize it, the only thing you have control over is the level of respect you have for yourself.
[quote]CBear84 wrote:
women will continue to dress provocatively, in whatever degree, for as long as being sexy gets you somewhere. feeling attractive is, has been, and will continue to be important, no matter what attractive seems to be at the moment (latin curvy, heroin chic, etc).
im sure these women would look at a highly paid desk job with a bigger salary and no focus on their looks and turn up their nose higher than the other posters in here.
they WANT to be pretty, to be objectified, and to have drunk men drooling and jerking off to them.
ever listen to them talk? they don’t sound as if they know what a grip on the good kings english is, and probably think articulating a thought is dirty talk.
whether it’s true or not, thats what they’re CHOOSING to sound like, and they’re pretty happy about it.
either stop bitching about it, or stop dressing to show off your physique and posting naked pictures on the internet.
take up a real cause… like, getting into the brains of young women, before they hit puberty, and convincing them that being beautiful and needing approval from the sex you’re attracted to are NOT the same thing. [/quote]
Isn’t condeming the particpants in this without knowing their reasons for doing another form of objectification? Objectification through denial of autonomy?
I mean I’m not going to watch bad football but its not up to me to say, or imply, what another person should do with their body.
I understand wanting to discuss the subject of objectification in sports, but a couple of posts seem directed at these specific women in ways that seem to discount their individual agency.
[quote]JoeGood wrote:
Isn’t condeming the particpants in this without knowing their reasons for doing another form of objectification? Objectification through denial of autonomy?
I mean I’m not going to watch bad football but its not up to me to say, or imply, what another person should do with their body.
I understand wanting to discuss the subject of objectification in sports, but a couple of posts seem directed at these specific women in ways that seem to discount their individual agency.[/quote]
QFT.
There are a lot of things that upset me in this world but I can’t see why this should be one of them. Women in their undies are just not that big a deal in the broader scheme of things. It’s just people having fun in their own way.