LIMITS

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

5’9" at 245 with abs is believable assisted or not.

5’7" 225, natty, and year round 6% is something else entirely[/quote]

Why keep doing that?[/quote]

It was only curiosity…keep your pants on. A natty freak that nobody has ever heard of…who grew to Olympia level proportions with EVER BULKING?? I would think you would be curious too?

Massive G is not going anywhere…and since he posts almost exactly like you we have him to look forward to for another 45K posts.

Fine, barring him knowing an absolute once in generation genetic marvel, isn’t it far more likely that he is full of shit or so naïve that he believed the dude at the gym who gave him his “stats” and repeated it as truth?? And now that someone called him out on it he is trying to save face?

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

5’9" at 245 with abs is believable assisted or not.

5’7" 225, natty, and year round 6% is something else entirely[/quote]

Why keep doing that?[/quote]

It was only curiosity…keep your pants on. A natty freak that nobody has ever heard of…who grew to Olympia level proportions with EVER BULKING?? I would think you would be curious too?

Massive G is not going anywhere…and since he posts almost exactly like you we have him to look forward to for another 45K posts.[/quote]

I find it funny that EVERYONE who agrees with me is somehow also me.

yet none of you see the hubris in that.

Interesting.

Let’s keep this forum on track and end this shit.

[quote]bpick86 wrote:
Fine, barring him knowing an absolute once in generation genetic marvel, isn’t it far more likely that he is full of shit or so naïve that he believed the dude at the gym who gave him his “stats” and repeated it as truth?? And now that someone called him out on it he is trying to save face?[/quote]

What the hell did you just say? Are you trying to stop me from posting?!?!

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

5’9" at 245 with abs is believable assisted or not.

5’7" 225, natty, and year round 6% is something else entirely[/quote]

Why keep doing that?[/quote]

It was only curiosity…keep your pants on. A natty freak that nobody has ever heard of…who grew to Olympia level proportions with EVER BULKING?? I would think you would be curious too?

Massive G is not going anywhere…and since he posts almost exactly like you we have him to look forward to for another 45K posts.[/quote]

I find it funny that EVERYONE who agrees with me is somehow also me.

yet none of you see the hubris in that.

Interesting.

Let’s keep this forum on track and end this shit.[/quote]

I notice that you did not address what I said in my post…

“A natty freak that nobody has ever heard of…who grew to Olympia level proportions with EVER BULKING?? I would think you would be curious too?”

That IS the topic we were discussing.

[quote]super saiyan wrote:

[quote]bpick86 wrote:
Fine, barring him knowing an absolute once in generation genetic marvel, isn’t it far more likely that he is full of shit or so naÃ?¯ve that he believed the dude at the gym who gave him his “stats” and repeated it as truth?? And now that someone called him out on it he is trying to save face?[/quote]

What the hell did you just say? Are you trying to stop me from posting?!?![/quote]

Yes, you bastard, if I have to look at one more GIF I am going to show you all that limits do not exist by stopping a big rig on the interstate with my shoulder.

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

I notice that you did not address what I said in my post…

“A natty freak that nobody has ever heard of…who grew to Olympia level proportions with EVER BULKING?? I would think you would be curious too?”

That IS the topic we were discussing.
[/quote]

I didn’t address it because I have seen this before…and nothing comes from it but a bunch of guys arguing about what is impossible…when most of the ones arguing wouldn’t even rate as “above average” in genetic potential themselves.

I mean, shit, in the 1990’s, no one thought you could built an 18" arm without steroids.

It makes as much sense as going back in time and bitching that no one can do it ever on some old ass 1990 tech internet service provider.

[quote]bpick86 wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:

[quote]bpick86 wrote:
Fine, barring him knowing an absolute once in generation genetic marvel, isn’t it far more likely that he is full of shit or so naÃ??Ã?¯ve that he believed the dude at the gym who gave him his “stats” and repeated it as truth?? And now that someone called him out on it he is trying to save face?[/quote]

What the hell did you just say? Are you trying to stop me from posting?!?![/quote]

Yes, you bastard, if I have to look at one more GIF I am going to show you all that limits do not exist by stopping a big rig on the interstate with my shoulder.[/quote]

DON’T LIMIT YOURSELF!!..use your foot.

[quote]bpick86 wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:

[quote]bpick86 wrote:
Fine, barring him knowing an absolute once in generation genetic marvel, isn’t it far more likely that he is full of shit or so naÃ??Ã?¯ve that he believed the dude at the gym who gave him his “stats” and repeated it as truth?? And now that someone called him out on it he is trying to save face?[/quote]

What the hell did you just say? Are you trying to stop me from posting?!?![/quote]

Yes, you bastard, if I have to look at one more GIF I am going to show you all that limits do not exist by stopping a big rig on the interstate with my shoulder.[/quote]

See Below

[quote]super saiyan wrote:

[quote]bpick86 wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:

[quote]bpick86 wrote:
Fine, barring him knowing an absolute once in generation genetic marvel, isn’t it far more likely that he is full of shit or so naÃ???Ã???Ã??Ã?¯ve that he believed the dude at the gym who gave him his “stats” and repeated it as truth?? And now that someone called him out on it he is trying to save face?[/quote]

What the hell did you just say? Are you trying to stop me from posting?!?![/quote]

Yes, you bastard, if I have to look at one more GIF I am going to show you all that limits do not exist by stopping a big rig on the interstate with my shoulder.[/quote]
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FML

It would seem there isn’t much to discuss once the witch hunt dies out.

It would seem there isn’t much to discuss because the same person keeps rehashing the same topic in multiple threads and refuses to discuss any topic in a civil manner.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
It would seem there isn’t much to discuss once the witch hunt dies out.[/quote]

Crazy that MassiveGunz left when you showed up…or when his imaginary friend made him take his ball and go home.

What would you like to talk about?

Limits? How about when a natty wins the Olympia?

Discuss.

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Kevin English, 5’7", looking rather Palumboesque and competing in 212 or 202 class. [/quote]

280 pounds offseason weight? You do realise you are just proving my point further here.
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So your friend has like, 40 pounds of water to lose to be in contest condition from 6% bodyfat? I mean that still puts him at 185 on stage at 5’6 which would be pretty fucking disgusting, especially considering he kind of hates bodybuilding and just ‘sort of eats protein and salads and whatnot.’

I also find it amazing that despite this diet that would keep a person pretty low as far as water retention goes, that he is apparently holding ridiculous amounts of water.

How do you get internet under a bridge?[/quote]

40 lbs no. The point I’m making is that ANYONE can drop 15% of their bodyweight with diuretics and the host of other tricks used to drop water.

As with most weight class based sports if you can squeeze into a lower class whilst actually carrying way more muscle then you are at a massive advantage. Thats why people go to such drastic lengths to make weight categories.

People on here seem to be quoting the best of the best bodybuilders competition weights like that’s their “normal” weight and status.

If you deplete water, your bodyfat levels do not change at all. Does anyone here actually think LBM changes as well when people deplete water? It just ain’t that fucking simple. Its a manipulation.

I’ll repeat my point for clarity again with some examples.

Flex wheeler

Off season he walks around at apprx 270-280. Lets say he is 12% bf off season max which based on how he looks most of the time i think is a fair judgement. That gives the following…

247lb of LBM, 33lbs of bodyfat.

When he diets down to 6% bodyfat, he loses 15lbs of fat. He obv uses anabolics so will not lose muscle.

That takes him to 247lb of LBM, and aprx 15lbs of bodyfat. Now how does he weigh in at 225? Does he lose muscle? Fuck no, you want to keep all that muscle and just squeeze it down so it looks nice and dry and dense and freaking awesome on stage, so what you do is drink a ton of deionised water, then cut your water intake and hop on the lasix. Not quite there yet? Hop in the sauna. You can lose up to 15% of water before you risk death, and tolerance varies from person to person.

15% removed from 247 lb + 15 lb equals 223lbs. Is this any coincidence? He’s at the maximum level of development which he can squeeze into his weight class.

Now some retards on here think they can compared him to someone who with no drugs at all is walking around at 225. If he dehydrated and used diuretics he could hit a stage at 191 MAX since he may weight less in the morning.

Is it really that hard to believe?

I think because people haven’t achieved such things themselves they have to shit on other peoples achievements. Purely because they don’t appreciate that there could be other people out there way fucking more dedicated, better educated and disciplined and humble enough not to want to walk around in posing trunks or feel the need to prove or justify themselves to a bunch of strangers on internet.

Post some more drug assisted pictures if you want but it means nothing and proves you have absolutely no logical refutation to my argument. Most likely because you know I’m right and you are probably just trying to troll me for laughs.

And still NO-ONE has put forward the FUCKING MAGIC NUMBER COMBINATION OF LBM AND BF THAT PROVES SOMEONE IS USING STEROIDS. I wonder why? Because you can’t do its an exercise in futility.

[/quote]

You have very poor reasoning skills, and apparently an awful understanding of math and simple biology.

But at least that bridge provides incredible shelter from inclement weather, and amazing shade.

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Kevin English, 5’7", looking rather Palumboesque and competing in 212 or 202 class. [/quote]

280 pounds offseason weight? You do realise you are just proving my point further here.
[/quote]

So your friend has like, 40 pounds of water to lose to be in contest condition from 6% bodyfat? I mean that still puts him at 185 on stage at 5’6 which would be pretty fucking disgusting, especially considering he kind of hates bodybuilding and just ‘sort of eats protein and salads and whatnot.’

I also find it amazing that despite this diet that would keep a person pretty low as far as water retention goes, that he is apparently holding ridiculous amounts of water.

How do you get internet under a bridge?[/quote]

40 lbs no. The point I’m making is that ANYONE can drop 15% of their bodyweight with diuretics and the host of other tricks used to drop water.

As with most weight class based sports if you can squeeze into a lower class whilst actually carrying way more muscle then you are at a massive advantage. Thats why people go to such drastic lengths to make weight categories.

People on here seem to be quoting the best of the best bodybuilders competition weights like that’s their “normal” weight and status.

If you deplete water, your bodyfat levels do not change at all. Does anyone here actually think LBM changes as well when people deplete water? It just ain’t that fucking simple. Its a manipulation.

I’ll repeat my point for clarity again with some examples.

Flex wheeler

Off season he walks around at apprx 270-280. Lets say he is 12% bf off season max which based on how he looks most of the time i think is a fair judgement. That gives the following…

247lb of LBM, 33lbs of bodyfat.

When he diets down to 6% bodyfat, he loses 15lbs of fat. He obv uses anabolics so will not lose muscle.

That takes him to 247lb of LBM, and aprx 15lbs of bodyfat. Now how does he weigh in at 225? Does he lose muscle? Fuck no, you want to keep all that muscle and just squeeze it down so it looks nice and dry and dense and freaking awesome on stage, so what you do is drink a ton of deionised water, then cut your water intake and hop on the lasix. Not quite there yet? Hop in the sauna. You can lose up to 15% of water before you risk death, and tolerance varies from person to person.

15% removed from 247 lb + 15 lb equals 223lbs. Is this any coincidence? He’s at the maximum level of development which he can squeeze into his weight class.

Now some retards on here think they can compared him to someone who with no drugs at all is walking around at 225. If he dehydrated and used diuretics he could hit a stage at 191 MAX since he may weight less in the morning.

Is it really that hard to believe?

I think because people haven’t achieved such things themselves they have to shit on other peoples achievements. Purely because they don’t appreciate that there could be other people out there way fucking more dedicated, better educated and disciplined and humble enough not to want to walk around in posing trunks or feel the need to prove or justify themselves to a bunch of strangers on internet.

Post some more drug assisted pictures if you want but it means nothing and proves you have absolutely no logical refutation to my argument. Most likely because you know I’m right and you are probably just trying to troll me for laughs.

And still NO-ONE has put forward the FUCKING MAGIC NUMBER COMBINATION OF LBM AND BF THAT PROVES SOMEONE IS USING STEROIDS. I wonder why? Because you can’t do its an exercise in futility.

[/quote]

You have very poor reasoning skills, and apparently an awful understanding of math and simple biology.

But at least that bridge provides incredible shelter from inclement weather, and amazing shade.[/quote]

That’s interesting, because you haven’t exactly wowed anyone with your intelligent contributions. Just an arrogant “I’m right” attitude with no logic, reasoning or debate in any of your posts.

Until you prove otherwise your insults apply only to yourself, which is pretty cool!

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
It would seem there isn’t much to discuss once the witch hunt dies out.[/quote]

Crazy that MassiveGunz left when you showed up…or when his imaginary friend made him take his ball and go home.

What would you like to talk about?

Limits? How about when a natty wins the Olympia?

Discuss.[/quote]

Why don’t you actually respond in detail to my lengthy post. Instead of farting around with idle banter…

[quote]super saiyan wrote:
It would seem there isn’t much to discuss because the same person keeps rehashing the same topic in multiple threads and refuses to discuss any topic in a civil manner.[/quote]

There isn’t much to discuss since you are more interested in following PX around like a girl with a teenage crush and posting oh so clever “humiliations” which really make you look like a small child that got spanked and now wants to get its own back.

You could try debating my points? Crazy fucking idea I know!

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:
It would seem there isn’t much to discuss because the same person keeps rehashing the same topic in multiple threads and refuses to discuss any topic in a civil manner.[/quote]

There isn’t much to discuss since you are more interested in following PX around like a girl with a teenage crush and posting oh so clever “humiliations” which really make you look like a small child that got spanked and now wants to get its own back.

You could try debating my points? Crazy fucking idea I know!
[/quote]

Your points have been disproven, time and time again.

You just pass over those posts, just like X does.

Hmmmmmmmm strange indeed.

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:
It would seem there isn’t much to discuss because the same person keeps rehashing the same topic in multiple threads and refuses to discuss any topic in a civil manner.[/quote]

There isn’t much to discuss since you are more interested in following PX around like a girl with a teenage crush and posting oh so clever “humiliations” which really make you look like a small child that got spanked and now wants to get its own back.

You could try debating my points? Crazy fucking idea I know!
[/quote]

Everyone has debated your posts to death and you still keep up with the delusion. No natty needs to shed 34 pounds of water weight if he’s sitting at 6% year round.