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[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]Caltene wrote:
What needs to happen is for T-Nation mods(if they even have any) to ban ProfX. When one guy causes that much trouble, the ignore button isn’t enough.[/quote]
Many that are banned deserve to post, and some that post deserve a ban. Can you give it to them, Caltene? Do not be too eager to deal out bans in judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends. My heart tells me that Professor X has some part to play, for good or ill, before this is over.[/quote]

LOL. Nicely done.

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[quote]yolo84 wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]yolo84 wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]yolo84 wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]yolo84 wrote:
Brick -

what is your opinion on X claiming to start at 150 11% and to currently be 250 15%?

hasn’t he gained 80lbs LBM?[/quote]

  1. That he’s not 250 at 15%. Rather he is more like in he mid-20’s% bodyfat.
  2. Not in the way we speak of here, where we are trying to stay focused on training induced gains. I think he has gained more like 30 to 40 pounds training induced LBM, which is very good![/quote]

He said he has just had his BF done at 15% though?

can you explain “training induced gains” - aren’t all his training induced?[/quote]

I don’t believe he’s 15% because he’d appear far leaner in pictures if he’s 15% (going off the picture he has recently posted several times).

Training induced means gains not induced by puberty or natural growth. Anyway, if you go by what I think is his current mid-20s percentage, it doesn’t come out to an 80 pound gain. If he is 25% bodyfat, which I believe he is or around there in that picture, you come out about 188 pounds of LBM. At 150, with 11% bodyfat, you come out with 134 pounds LBM. So that would be a 54 pound gain in LBM, which is hugely impressive for a natural!
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i think he is saying he is leaner than that pic which has been going around so that may account for the 15% reading as opposed to your estimate[/quote]

Perhaps.

Wait a second… if I recall correctly (I might be wrong), he said in that picture he was 255 and what I believe to be 25% bf. Now he is 250 at 15%! That is an outrageous recomp for someone of that training experience!

At 255 at 25% bodyfat, that would be 191 pounds LBM.
At 250 at 15%, that would be 212 pounds LBM!

We’re talking a 20 pound LBM difference from a short term recomp!

Does anyone know what a man at 250 and 15% looks like? Ever stood near one? [/quote]

dude stop trolling with the 25% estimate lol

come on now dont be silly

the recomp could be due to muscle memory from his accident last year

yeah a 250 dude at 15% would be a huge moutherfucker

i train at a gym with multiple people 280-300 at 10% (mostly pretty tall, over 6ft)

there are around a dozen Pros there and some very well known faces from time to time (Ronnie, etc)

i also trained for years at a top PL gym - people with 1000lb squats, 800+ DL - all huge fuckers

i do realise how big this is
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I think Brick skipped this one…and I agree. Unless I somehow lost over 10% body fat while staying near the same weight, I obviously was not “25%” body fat in the previous picture. Yes, I dd gain some muscle back especially in shoulders and back since the accident. My legs are still coming back also.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

Source: Top natural bodybuilders who haven’t gained a damn pound of muscle after a decade of training. [/quote]

I am not sure why anyone else is allowing you to type things like this without any objection, but if all gains stopped after only ten years, there would be no reason to keep lifting anywhere near as hard.

I know too many guys who had trained since high school who still saw gains way into their late 30’s and early 40’s.

Please show WHERE you got this “10 year limit” from now.

I want to see who is saying all gains stop after ten years.

[quote]

Source: Top natural bodybuilders.[/quote]

Does this mean no one can do better than these people? No one on Earth has better genetics? No one can gain more if they simply don’t diet down to contest shape?

Please answer these questions.

What does you thinking they are “rational” have to do with how right they are?

But…someone just asked you about this and you basically ignored the question.

If someone goes from 130lbs of lean body mass to 210lbs of lean body mass, haven’t they gained 80lbs of lean body mass?

Please answer this.

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[quote]heavythrower wrote:

haha, do you enven hear yourself or go back and look at how ridiculous your posts are? everyone here notices it, but you, but you sit back and whine “why me”

lol

you are either clinically insane or the best troll ever. i vote the latter.

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How ridiculous my posts are?

We have a guy who just wrote gains stop after ten years…yet you think me questioning that is ridiculous and NOT the statement?

You guys would rather focus on me than the straight up nonsense being written by someone else?

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[quote]yolo84 wrote:

[quote]BHappy wrote:

[quote]yolo84 wrote:
Brick -

what is your opinion on X claiming to start at 150 11% and to currently be 250 15%?

hasn’t he gained 80lbs LBM?[/quote]

The caliper test is useless for us. You have to understand, if someone tells someone that she/he is fat it can create a distance between the 2. But put in a cheap tool(caliper) use a short break(consult a table, add a few numbers) and the fat verdict comes from some unknown expert(s). In a gym setting any student working at minimum wage can charge 20$ or more while earning a buck, that is what many consider good business. A personal trainer might prove you that you are improving under her/his guidance and sell you more private sessions.
It only serves to mesure the under skin fat. Deep down fat escapes the caliper test everytime.

A coach with a great reputation(if my memory serves me well it was Christian Thibodeau) here wrote that at a convention he was tested via calipers by the bests and results went from 2 to 12% the same day. So X or Y might get a 15 a 20 a 23% reading by reputable people and add 5% (hiden fat) and 15 might be 28 or 10.
Now you know why he will never get in the pool because that would include the hidden fat.[/quote]

i agree with the overall point that underwater. would be more accurate though. [/quote]

Agree.

Calipers can vary widely.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Source: Top natural bodybuilders.[/quote]

Does this mean no one can do better than these people? No one on Earth has better genetics? No one can gain more if they simply don’t diet down to contest shape?

Please answer these questions.
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Seriously man, we get it, you have pointed out many times the possibility that someone may exist with traits or skills well outside the accepted norms, but until it’s verified through means that no one can objectively dispute, it will always be subject to scrutiny and remain a wild idea (this is when you usually scream about Kingbeef).

As such, the constant bringing up of the top natural competitors is always going to happen because they seem to be the only people willing to put themselves on public display in degrees of leanness where you can compare photographed (if not hydrostatically weighed) similar conditions from year to year.

S

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[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]Caltene wrote:
What needs to happen is for T-Nation mods(if they even have any) to ban ProfX. When one guy causes that much trouble, the ignore button isn’t enough.[/quote]
Many that are banned deserve to post, and some that post deserve a ban. Can you give it to them, Caltene? Do not be too eager to deal out bans in judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends. My heart tells me that Professor X has some part to play, for good or ill, before this is over.[/quote]

LOL

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[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Source: Top natural bodybuilders.[/quote]

Does this mean no one can do better than these people? No one on Earth has better genetics? No one can gain more if they simply don’t diet down to contest shape?

Please answer these questions.
[/quote]

Seriously man, we get it, you have pointed out many times the possibility that someone may exist with traits or skills well outside the accepted norms, but until it’s verified through means that no one can objectively dispute, it will always be subject to scrutiny and remain a wild idea (this is when you usually scream about Kingbeef).

As such, the constant bringing up of the top natural competitors is always going to happen because they seem to be the only people willing to put themselves on public display in degrees of leanness where you can compare photographed (if not hydrostatically weighed) similar conditions from year to year.

S[/quote]

I dont get it. Where the fuck is Captain Outliar? Is he hiding somewhere in the congo bulking on gorilla meat? Why are we even accepting that the plot of X-Men is bodybuilding’s future.

This is so fucking stupid.

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[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Source: Top natural bodybuilders.[/quote]

Does this mean no one can do better than these people? No one on Earth has better genetics? No one can gain more if they simply don’t diet down to contest shape?

Please answer these questions.
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Seriously man, we get it
S[/quote]

Really? You do? This is about his SPECIFIC LIMITS, not whether I think that most people can do this or not.

He is literally giving very specific limits and claiming no one can do better than that.

THAT is what I take issue with, not the concept that many natural competitors may show what “most people” can do.

If you got that, you wouldn’t be trying to stop me from asking the questions I am just because you like Brick as a person or for whatever reason.

Do you or do you not agree with his “new ten year limit” to muscle growth?

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[quote]Waittz wrote:

I dont get it. Where the fuck is Captain Outliar? Is he hiding somewhere in the congo bulking on gorilla meat? Why are we even accepting that the plot of X-Men is bodybuilding’s future.

This is so fucking stupid. [/quote]

What is stupid is for anyone to ignore that apparently if you simply are ok with carrying more body fat, these limits don’t seem to exist.

People are relating this to health…when I doubt most of the people typing here are under 10% body fat and that does not dictate health in itself at all.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

I dont get it. Where the fuck is Captain Outliar? Is he hiding somewhere in the congo bulking on gorilla meat? Why are we even accepting that the plot of X-Men is bodybuilding’s future.

This is so fucking stupid. [/quote]

What is stupid is for anyone to ignore that apparently if you simply are ok with carrying more body fat, these limits don’t seem to exist.

People are relating this to health…when I doubt most of the people typing here are under 10% body fat and that does not dictate health in itself at all.[/quote]

Why do you even bother? I get it, you have your mind set on this topic, the others do as well. So how about we all just move along here and stop trying to debate a topic that is past debatability at this point. The unstoppable force meets the immovable object is now this subforum. There is no longer value in these banters.

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I oscillate between LOLing at PX and feeling sorry for him. What could possible drive someone to devote 50,000 posts to arguing on the internet with strangers, desperately trying to prove you are right?

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[quote]super saiyan wrote:
I oscillate between LOLing at PX and feeling sorry for him. What could possible drive someone to devote 50,000 posts to arguing on the internet with strangers, desperately trying to prove you are right?[/quote]

When MTV’s Catfish reveal next season that his Colorado stint was actually his cousin who has never even heard of the T-Nation forum before, you will find out.

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[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

I dont get it. Where the fuck is Captain Outliar? Is he hiding somewhere in the congo bulking on gorilla meat? Why are we even accepting that the plot of X-Men is bodybuilding’s future.

This is so fucking stupid. [/quote]

What is stupid is for anyone to ignore that apparently if you simply are ok with carrying more body fat, these limits don’t seem to exist.

People are relating this to health…when I doubt most of the people typing here are under 10% body fat and that does not dictate health in itself at all.[/quote]

Why do you even bother? I get it, you have your mind set on this topic, the others do as well. So how about we all just move along here and stop trying to debate a topic that is past debatability at this point. The unstoppable force meets the immovable object is now this subforum. There is no longer value in these banters. [/quote]

I am debating his specific “ten year limits” and his “15 year limits”.

I am asking why anyone else is ok with him telling people that no one can do better than that.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

I dont get it. Where the fuck is Captain Outliar? Is he hiding somewhere in the congo bulking on gorilla meat? Why are we even accepting that the plot of X-Men is bodybuilding’s future.

This is so fucking stupid. [/quote]

What is stupid is for anyone to ignore that apparently if you simply are ok with carrying more body fat, these limits don’t seem to exist.

People are relating this to health…when I doubt most of the people typing here are under 10% body fat and that does not dictate health in itself at all.[/quote]

Why do you even bother? I get it, you have your mind set on this topic, the others do as well. So how about we all just move along here and stop trying to debate a topic that is past debatability at this point. The unstoppable force meets the immovable object is now this subforum. There is no longer value in these banters. [/quote]

I am debating his specific “ten year limits” and his “15 year limits”.

I am asking why anyone else is ok with him telling people that no one can do better than that.
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Dont piss on my forehead and tell me it’s raining, you know what I am talking about.

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[quote]Waittz wrote:

Dont piss on my forehead and tell me it’s raining, you know what I am talking about. [/quote]

Actually, I don’t. This entire thread was created because I find his specific limits ridiculous and asked about where he got those numbers from.

Why are you here?

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[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:
I oscillate between LOLing at PX and feeling sorry for him. What could possible drive someone to devote 50,000 posts to arguing on the internet with strangers, desperately trying to prove you are right?[/quote]

When MTV’s Catfish reveal next season that his Colorado stint was actually his cousin who has never even heard of the T-Nation forum before, you will find out. [/quote]

LOL!

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

Dont piss on my forehead and tell me it’s raining, you know what I am talking about. [/quote]

Actually, I don’t. This entire thread was created because I find his specific limits ridiculous and asked about where he got those numbers from.

Why are you here?[/quote]

I am Captain Outliar. I am here to save this forum with my superior genetics and crush all natural limitations.

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[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

Dont piss on my forehead and tell me it’s raining, you know what I am talking about. [/quote]

Actually, I don’t. This entire thread was created because I find his specific limits ridiculous and asked about where he got those numbers from.

Why are you here?[/quote]

I am Captain Outliar. I am here to save this forum with my superior genetics and crush all natural limitations. [/quote]

Do you agree with his specific numbers or not? Why not just answer the question?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

I dont get it. Where the fuck is Captain Outliar? Is he hiding somewhere in the congo bulking on gorilla meat? Why are we even accepting that the plot of X-Men is bodybuilding’s future.

This is so fucking stupid. [/quote]

What is stupid is for anyone to ignore that apparently if you simply are ok with carrying more body fat, these limits don’t seem to exist.

People are relating this to health…when I doubt most of the people typing here are under 10% body fat and that does not dictate health in itself at all.[/quote]

Why do you even bother? I get it, you have your mind set on this topic, the others do as well. So how about we all just move along here and stop trying to debate a topic that is past debatability at this point. The unstoppable force meets the immovable object is now this subforum. There is no longer value in these banters. [/quote]

I am debating his specific “ten year limits” and his “15 year limits”.

I am asking why anyone else is ok with him telling people that no one can do better than that.
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Because people understand these are general limits with variations and exceptions. Nobody seriously believes that on the 15th anniversary of your first workout the Gainz Factory shuts down for good, leaving the hard-working townspeople to find work elsewhere in the body of a noobie weight trainer.