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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Legalsteel wrote:

[quote]SkyNett wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
Wrong. They all had hope in the face of almost certain death. The ones that accepted their fate lost the will to even try to survive. [/quote]

Lol - dude, what the bloody fuck are you talking about? How the hell would you have the VAGUEST idea about the actual mindset of specific individuals some 70 years ago unless you were there? Which you obviously weren’t.

And even if you were, and you talked to 2 guys who survived and had the supposed requisite “positive attitude” - that wouldn’t prove shit about your spurious theory.
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Indeed, the whole positive attitude spiel is possibly the dumbest thing I have ever read. You can’t stop Zyklon B from killing you just by having an Ubermensch style positive attitude.[/quote]

People are really arguing that a positive attitude won’t help you overcome obstacles in life?

Am I missing something? This is the mindset of people who don’t achieve much in life. [/quote]

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]heavythrower wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]PB Andy wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
I have lost many pics recently from my computer because it broke and I don’t have a smart phone and I’m not the biggest picture taker, but here’s one I have (yeah, it’s not shirtless). X, you can say I look worse all you want. I don’t look terrible. And at least I can wear a pair of Under Armor which some people think looks good on me. [/quote]
you > X and it’s a landslide. At least you have some quads lol.
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I didn’t think my quads were non-existant even with the injuries.

But yes, Brick has nice quads.[/quote]

??? i dont get you man. your a BIG dude, you have a very good build, i would love to look like you.

nobody is saying you have not built a way above average head turning physique.

if you really think that is the points being debated here, and every other shit storm you are part of…

waitaminute, of course you do, this is just how you have fun f-ing with people. lol
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Then what is being debated? I asked very specific questions. This thread isn’t about what you think of me…yet that is all you seem to want to talk about in every thread.

Why is it OK to tell someone like Kingbeef as a newb that he won’t reach a level that he already recahed?

Why are you ok with this?[/quote]

Many will not answer any of your question because you earned the top position on their ignore list.
Many adults will not answer you because your posts seems the result of a 6 yo who plays superhero hiding behind a mask (fullhouse).
fullhouse- no dictionary results
You are more like full of …
Enjoy your thin reality !

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Look, everyone told me I was going to be small for the rest of my life as a kid. People here are literally teaching that it is ok to believe these goals that have no basis in science fact because that is the in thing to do now?

This is a LOSER MINDSET. No one who people gawk at in amazement limits themselves like this.

If you are now arguing that it is BETTER to believe these limits people throw out than believe that more rides on your commitment and drive, you have joined a side filled with people who will pat each other on the back forever while acting like crabs in a bucket.

If you think this is a BS argument, then you really don’t understand my point at all.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Legalsteel wrote:
To clarify, my objection was that such a mindset will not alter objective reality. [/quote]

That’s the problem…your perception of reality is COMPLETELY SUBJECTIVE.

And we are just now finding out what the mind is capable of.[/quote]

I agree on both counts.
I do, however, find it distasteful to talk of survivor mindset when it is completely impossible to know if victims possessed it or not.

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[quote]Legalsteel wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Legalsteel wrote:
To clarify, my objection was that such a mindset will not alter objective reality. [/quote]

That’s the problem…your perception of reality is COMPLETELY SUBJECTIVE.

And we are just now finding out what the mind is capable of.[/quote]

I agree on both counts.
I do, however, find it distasteful to talk of survivor mindset when it is completely impossible to know if victims possessed it or not. [/quote]

I don’t know what you are even referring to, but in regards to superhuman feats throughout history that would have killed most people, I wold think that the person who survives this is NOT the one thinking that since most people die in that situation, they will too.

It is like people are literally arguing that it is ok to accept defeat before you ever try based on what “most people” can do.

All that will do is limit the people who ever comes close or surpass that goal in the future.

People used to believe no one could build a arm over 18" naturally.

General public strives off of making sure no one thinks they can do more. Once again, crabs in a bucket.

Guys who really make so much progress that it shocks people do not live by that mindset…which is likely why they think most hardcore gymrats are crazy to start with.

Setting a “limit” so close to what people are actually coming to and many are saying they surpassed is making no sense at all…but people do it just to be against me in this thread?

What the fuck has happened to T-Nation?

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[quote]Legalsteel wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Legalsteel wrote:
To clarify, my objection was that such a mindset will not alter objective reality. [/quote]

That’s the problem…your perception of reality is COMPLETELY SUBJECTIVE.

And we are just now finding out what the mind is capable of.[/quote]

I agree on both counts.
I do, however, find it distasteful to talk of survivor mindset when it is completely impossible to know if victims possessed it or not. [/quote]

No it isn’t. Some of those victims also possessed the survivor mindset. Nothing is ever guaranteed. But guess what, those who made it through unanimously had hope, because without hope conditions were so bad that giving up survival meant CERTAIN DEATH.

In the concentration camps, cigarettes were used as currency amongst the prisoners. These could be traded for food and other items essential for survival. When someone gave up in the camps, they usually smoked their cigarettes first. The other prisoners all knew that whoever smoked their cigarettes was soon to die, because they knew what smoking those cigarettes signified, the loss of hope and the acceptance of fate.

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I don’t remember what the hell this thread was about, but I find the discussion interesting.

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I think those that get upset by listening to other people setting out limits seem weak willed to me. If you are the kind of person who believes in the power of the mind then just fucking use that power and ignore the people who offend you.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Legalsteel wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Legalsteel wrote:
To clarify, my objection was that such a mindset will not alter objective reality. [/quote]

That’s the problem…your perception of reality is COMPLETELY SUBJECTIVE.

And we are just now finding out what the mind is capable of.[/quote]

I agree on both counts.
I do, however, find it distasteful to talk of survivor mindset when it is completely impossible to know if victims possessed it or not. [/quote]

I don’t know what you are even referring to, but in regards to superhuman feats throughout history that would have killed most people, I wold think that the person who survives this is NOT the one thinking that since most people die in that situation, they will too.

It is like people are literally arguing that it is ok to accept defeat before you ever try based on what “most people” can do.

All that will do is limit the people who ever comes close or surpass that goal in the future.

People used to believe no one could build a arm over 18" naturally.

General public strives off of making sure no one thinks they can do more. Once again, crabs in a bucket.

Guys who really make so much progress that it shocks people do not live by that mindset…which is likely why they think most hardcore gymrats are crazy to start with.

Setting a “limit” so close to what people are actually coming to and many are saying they surpassed is making no sense at all…but people do it just to be against me in this thread?

What the fuck has happened to T-Nation?[/quote]

Apparently the way to succeed in life is set some easy goals and let “reality” do the rest for you. If the magics gonna happen then it will just happen, your attitude and belief system has nothing to do with it! That way when I fail then it wasn’t my fault. Phew!

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I am saying that attributing a mindset to any person who is dead is ridiculous. The ones who dies may have shared the positive mindset. Neither you or I can know either way.

I would not saying you should accept defeat before trying. You can’t know your capabilities either way in the abstract. I think mindset is a factor, just not THE factor. That is my point. Nothing more. If you disagree, that’s fine. I do not claim to be the arbiter of truth.

I would agree that setting precise limits is absurd.

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[quote]steven alex wrote:
I think those that get upset by listening to other people setting out limits seem weak willed to me. If you are the kind of person who believes in the power of the mind then just fucking use that power and ignore the people who offend you.[/quote]

Your perception of reality is defined by peers and environment. That means it is easy to say that these mental limits don’t matter. It is way harder to actually believe they don’t matter when faced with surpassing a goal that literally takes everything to get past.

People laughed at the Wright Brothers. Man wasn’t supposed to fly.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

Ben Carson was told by every teacher in school that he was near retarded and would never be anything.

He is now one of the world’s most famous neurosurgeons.
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Actually, this belittles your point. If talking about things that haven’t been done and likely won’t be is so bad, Ben Carson shouldn’t be a neurosurgeon.

The fact that being told daily by his teachers that he wouldn’t amount to anything didn’t change anything is pretty much the opposite of what you are saying.

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Woman joined the US army after recruiters told them repeatedly they would never see combat.
Some did.
Some died.
Positive thinking is sometimes priceless.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

Ben Carson was told by every teacher in school that he was near retarded and would never be anything.

He is now one of the world’s most famous neurosurgeons.
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Actually, this belittles your point. If talking about things that haven’t been done and likely won’t be is so bad, Ben Carson shouldn’t be a neurosurgeon.

The fact that being told daily by his teachers that he wouldn’t amount to anything didn’t change anything is pretty much the opposite of what you are saying.[/quote]
Exactly Ben Carson mustnt have cried like a baby when people mentioned limits

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[quote]steven alex wrote:
I think those that get upset by listening to other people setting out limits seem weak willed to me. If you are the kind of person who believes in the power of the mind then just fucking use that power and ignore the people who offend you.[/quote]

I agree totally. The humanitarian in me however, want’s to spread the love. The irony is out of all the advice given out on this site, having the right mental attitude is the most important piece of the entire pumpkin pie. This site is filled daily with the cries of “help me I’m small”. People could do a shit load worse than prick up their ears, put down that blueberry muffin and listen.

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[quote]steven alex wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

Ben Carson was told by every teacher in school that he was near retarded and would never be anything.

He is now one of the world’s most famous neurosurgeons.
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Actually, this belittles your point. If talking about things that haven’t been done and likely won’t be is so bad, Ben Carson shouldn’t be a neurosurgeon.

The fact that being told daily by his teachers that he wouldn’t amount to anything didn’t change anything is pretty much the opposite of what you are saying.[/quote]
Exactly Ben Carson mustnt have cried like a baby when people mentioned limits[/quote]

Crying about what people say and caring about what others believe while worrying that you might be held back by words is a real loser mentality.

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[quote]Legalsteel wrote:
I am saying that attributing a mindset to any person who is dead is ridiculous. The ones who dies may have shared the positive mindset. Neither you or I can know either way. [/quote]

But…with many dead people, we have writings and meetings they had through life which tell us their mindset.

Then that is why I started this thread…,because it has now become the in thing to agree with Brick that there is a magical “80lbs limit” for all naturals.

People seem to be agreeing with that just to disagree with me…which is absurd.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

Actually, this belittles your point. If talking about things that haven’t been done and likely won’t be is so bad, Ben Carson shouldn’t be a neurosurgeon.

The fact that being told daily by his teachers that he wouldn’t amount to anything didn’t change anything is pretty much the opposite of what you are saying.[/quote]

It actually did change him. It took his mother stepping in to change that mindset. I have met the man and he has spoken to my class before.

let me know if you would like to know more.

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[quote]steven alex wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

Ben Carson was told by every teacher in school that he was near retarded and would never be anything.

He is now one of the world’s most famous neurosurgeons.
[/quote]

Actually, this belittles your point. If talking about things that haven’t been done and likely won’t be is so bad, Ben Carson shouldn’t be a neurosurgeon.

The fact that being told daily by his teachers that he wouldn’t amount to anything didn’t change anything is pretty much the opposite of what you are saying.[/quote]
Exactly Ben Carson mustnt have cried like a baby when people mentioned limits[/quote]

?? He believed those limits all of the way through school…thus why he did so badly in high school.

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I wrote this:
Your perception of reality is defined by peers and environment. That means it is easy to say that these mental limits don’t matter. It is way harder to actually believe they don’t matter when faced with surpassing a goal that literally takes everything to get past.

People laughed at the Wright Brothers. Man wasn’t supposed to fly.