Lifting Weights = Warrior?

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[quote]MaloVerde wrote:
3rdman wrote:

I think someone let a little too much of the macho crap in bootcamp infect their brain, especially since serving in the military doesn’t necessarily even mean combat…(driving a supplies truck makes you a warrior!)

You either have never served or know nothing of the US military. Every soldier is gun ready and prepared to be in a battle zone at any given time.

How do you think the trigger pullers get their bullets? The supply drivers drive through the war fields and bring it to them, dumbass.

I think enough supply drivers have died in convoys for them to be considered warriors.

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Well said. Even doctors are weapons trained depending on what missions they’ve served on. The guys driving the supply trucks are at risk of losing their lives over there. Why are people so quick to dismiss soldiers this way? We always hear the same crap about those who only want to pay for college. That doesn’t take away the fact that they are more prepared than a civilian is to go fight for this country.

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[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
On your blog, you call yourself: “A brash, invincible toughguy from Jersey who wants everything.” I take it you are average. LMAO.
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Hey, are you one these dipshits that confuses things out on the real world with conversations on T-Nation?

Anyway, in case you are as stupid as you are starting to look, a blog is a different thing. You have to sell it, to convince people they want to read it.

What a fucking moron.

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If you have a problem with the definition, write to webster. If you haven’t competed in bodybuilding, you don’t know shit about what it takes to make the top 10. A power lifter does not make you more in tune to a “warrior” than a bodybuilder. I like to think of myself as a warrior in the gym, some battles are won and some lost, however the war continues… I don’t outright tell people “I’m a warrior!” That’s silly.

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[quote]panther2k wrote:
Hack Wilson wrote:
panther2k wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Hack Wilson wrote:
Professor X wrote:
CaliforniaLaw wrote:
Professor X wrote:
That’s how I feel about it. If you are military, cool, you may have a reason to be upset with it. If not, you are just bitching because someone else used a term to describe their effort. How is that possibly harming someone because they consider themselves a “warrior” in the weight room? Sometimes it may take that mentality for someone to competely change their habits and the way they look. The real question is, who are you to define someone else’s battles in life and how important they are to them?

Words have meaning. Using your logic, someone who is 6’, 145 pounds is “big.”

The cancer patient issue is actually a pretty easy call: Is the person literally fighting against a force that is trying to kill him or her? Yep.

In today’s society, everyone is a winner. Now EVERYONE is a warrior.

You seem to have missed the point. For me, getting my degree was no easy task. I could very easily say I “fought” to get it. It isn’t up toi you to decide how important my personal battles are. It isn’t your place to make that distinction for anyone but yourself.

Orion, your post was deep and right on topic.

i’ve been in fights. literally. does that mean that i’m a WARRIOR?

you ‘fought’ for your degree. i can see why you would have to. but…jesus. is EVERYTHING about you?

No, everything is clearly about YOU…and your 150k a year salary…with the gardener…and the almost-pro-ball career. I wouldn’t dare take your place. You are worth too much to all of us.

He does seem to be a bit cocky for someone who was a failure as a professional athlete.

we all fail at some point. i went to college for free and got payed to play football. i wasn’t good enough to get an active spot on an NFL roster.

some guys make the spot and never play. some guys get as far as special teams. some guys are backups. some guys start. some are stars. i walked away after one year and focused on other things, athletic and otherwise. i don’t display any of the trophies i won playing football, baseball or wrestling, weightlifting or powerlifting, golf or rec league basketball or softball. who gives a fuck.

i bring shit up HERE because there are lot of people i recognize and full-of-shit jokes who think they’ve done something because they’ve picked up a barbell and posed for a picture in their bathroom.

in my life i am respected and liked and i get along with everyone. i try for excellence in all areas of my life. like most, i don’t always get there. yeah. i AM a failed athlete. aren’t we all. i’m a failed lot’s of things. but i like where i am and where i’m going. do you?
Do I? Actually, yes I do.
And I am not a failed athlete.[/quote]

how so, tough guy?

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[quote]BlaZe wrote:
duffman59 wrote:
Enlighten me: Why are you guys who never risked your life fighting or served in combat warriors?

The question you should really be asking is “Why do politicians who have never served in combat and would never send their own children to battle beat the war drum the loudest to send the young and the poor to learn to be ‘warriors?’”

Black Sabbath’s War Pigs… 'nuff said[/quote]

Piggybacked with Guns ‘N’ Roses “Civil War” and “Fortunate Son” by CCR :wink:

How sad is it, for them, that many of the same people who love these bands would cheer on a war? /offtopic

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[quote]hedo wrote:
Personally I don’t see anything wrong with drawing that analogy for internal motivation. I think it’s a strong motivator in a lot of cases.
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Bingo!

Now, people who go around loudly proclaiming themselves such, that’s a different issue.

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[quote]Hack Wilson wrote:
BarneyFife wrote:
Hack Wilson wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Dedicated wrote:
My idea behind it is doing something that is hard and requires effort beyond the norm. Most people choose the easy way out and are lazy and weak. To choose to get off your ass and go to the gym to battle the weights takes a warrior like mentality. In reality it’s just something to get amped up on and get the test flowing.

If it offends you sorry. Are you a former or current true warrior? (side note, I did serve in the military and have been in a street fight or two in my younger days)

D

That’s how I feel about it. If you are military, cool, you may have a reason to be upset with it. If not, you are just bitching because someone else used a term to describe their effort. How is that possibly harming someone because they consider themselves a “warrior” in the weight room? Sometimes it may take that mentality for someone to competely change their habits and the way they look. The real question is, who are you to define someone else’s battles in life and how important they are to them?

Could a cancer patient be considered going to war by fighting the disease? Would that offend you?

Some of you are full of shit.

yeah. they wage a war on cancer. they wage war against their own obesity. i get it. i think the original question was about these people - like yourself - who’ve not acheived much athletically speaking and now want to be ‘warriors’ because they are in the gym a few nights a week.

you know, guys who pose for pictures and shit because…well…i guess i don’t know why people do that. i never have. oh, i’ve had my photo in some magazines here and there with 400-some pounds over my fucking head. but never posed. in my little brother’s tank-top. kneeling in my backyard. standing in front of my mirror. and YOU are saying someone ELSE is full of shit? oh, man.

The funny part of hack’s post is where he says that the proffesser has not achieved much athletically. Say that part again, I love to read what stupid people type.

im ignorant when it comes to professor x’s many athletic accomplishments. fill me in. right now i know that he lifts weights and poses for pictures. what else do you got?[/quote]

270, and 5’10". X sometimes gets mistaken for a giant refrigerator. You don’t have to hold a football, or kick a soccer ball to be an athlete. Try to think in broader terms.

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Slightly off topic, but has any of the other young people on these boards been turned down for ROTC?

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[quote]Blacksnake wrote:
So Dick Marcinko was not a warrior because he wrote Rogue Warrior?
Just because Dickie the Gin is the real deal doesnt’ mean he’s not full of it most of the time/:wink:

Demo Dick is the definition of a Warrior…Roman style.

The German tribesmen, Samurai and Vikings = warriors, The Roman Legions, Zulus and Prussians = Soldiers: There is a difference (for those in the know)…
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Viking, Samurai, German tribesman were in warfare for plunder and profit… is that the analogy you are making? That makes them warriors?

Roman Legions, Zulus and Prussians were simply in it for the glory of combat?

I’m sure they were well compensated for being professional soldiers. Romans served to become citizens of the ruling class.

So…Marcinko…Navy Seal, founder of the first dedicated anti-terrorist team (S-Six)= Soldier?

Marcinko…Soldier of Fortune, Soldier for hire = Warrior?

Please explain, for those of us “Not in the know”

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
MaloVerde wrote:
3rdman wrote:

I think someone let a little too much of the macho crap in bootcamp infect their brain, especially since serving in the military doesn’t necessarily even mean combat…(driving a supplies truck makes you a warrior!)

You either have never served or know nothing of the US military. Every soldier is gun ready and prepared to be in a battle zone at any given time.

How do you think the trigger pullers get their bullets? The supply drivers drive through the war fields and bring it to them, dumbass.

I think enough supply drivers have died in convoys for them to be considered warriors.

Well said. Even doctors are weapons trained depending on what missions they’ve served on. The guys driving the supply trucks are at risk of losing their lives over there. Why are people so quick to dismiss soldiers this way? We always hear the same crap about those who only want to pay for college. That doesn’t take away the fact that they are more prepared than a civilian is to go fight for this country.[/quote]

So risking your life makes you a warrior? Having cancer, cliff diving, binge drinking, and such all make you a warrior I guess? My entire point was that limiting a warrior to “someone who serves in the army” is somewhat retarded.

And if the supplies truck example wasn’t good enough, how about the guy who fuels planes a country away from the fighting? Or the guy who programs military software? Or the guy who designs the bulletproof vests? I’ll admit all of these guys are important and do their jobs well, but calling them warriors simply because they wear the uniform?

How about we all stop trying to do the impossible by attempting to come up with some kind of lists of qualifications for being a warrior?

And as for “fighting for the country,” I think with how we are going to hell economically that it will probably be civilians who save this country. Being able to fight in poorly thought out political occupations is hardly the only way to fight for the country.

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[quote]3rdman wrote:

So risking your life makes you a warrior? Having cancer, cliff diving, binge drinking, and such all make you a warrior I guess? My entire point was that limiting a warrior to “someone who serves in the army” is somewhat retarded.[/quote]

Who has even written that “someone who serves in the army” equals “warrior”? Why make up an argument that no one has even made? My point was quit degrading the service of men and women in the military with that lame ass “they just served to pay for college” bullshit.

One more time for the deaf, your constant need to degrade the service of military as if they aren’t part of an institution that makes it possible for you to even type what you have on this board is ridiculous and petty. That is a completely seperate issue than this debate about ‘warrior’ status.

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[quote]3rdman wrote:
Professor X wrote:
MaloVerde wrote:
3rdman wrote:

So risking your life makes you a warrior? Having cancer, cliff diving, binge drinking, and such all make you a warrior I guess? My entire point was that limiting a warrior to “someone who serves in the army” is somewhat retarded.

And if the supplies truck example wasn’t good enough, how about the guy who fuels planes a country away from the fighting? Or the guy who programs military software? Or the guy who designs the bulletproof vests? I’ll admit all of these guys are important and do their jobs well, but calling them warriors simply because they wear the uniform?

How about we all stop trying to do the impossible by attempting to come up with some kind of lists of qualifications for being a warrior?

And as for “fighting for the country,” I think with how we are going to hell economically that it will probably be civilians who save this country. Being able to fight in poorly thought out political occupations is hardly the only way to fight for the country.

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You two post troll!

Are you implying that a man prepared for war but never tastes it is not a warrior?

A warrior is not only defined by what he has done, but what he is willing to do.

A true warrior can feel fear but follows through, regardless of the consequences.

Being a warrior has nothing to do with the actual fight. It has everything to do with being willing to fight.

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[quote]MaloVerde wrote:
…Being a warrior has nothing to do with the actual fight. It has everything to do with being willing to fight.

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Didn’t Richard Simmons recently get in a fight?

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If you have to stretch for reasons to consider yourself a warrior (it’s a battle getting up for class every morning, it’s a battle to shit when constipated, etc…), then you probably aren’t one. It’s not being a warrior, it’s being human. Everyone struggles with one thing or another at some point.

Generally speaking, people think of warriors as people who have engaged in warfare and who may follow specific codes of conduct. Essentially, most people consider a warrior to be pretty much exactly what blondeguy said on page 3 (excellent post, by the way).

Hunting through dictionary definitions and cherrypicking one that fits you just to call yourself one is pretty lame.

It’s cool to think of yourself as being a warrior to get amped up for something (hell, I used to pretend to be my favorite NBA player during warmups to get pumped for games), but to run around calling yourself one is just a weak way to get an ego boost.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
MaloVerde wrote:
…Being a warrior has nothing to do with the actual fight. It has everything to do with being willing to fight.

Didn’t Richard Simmons recently get in a fight?[/quote]

That would be “willing to slap”. Big difference.

Not that there is anything wrong with that.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
MaloVerde wrote:
…Being a warrior has nothing to do with the actual fight. It has everything to do with being willing to fight.

Didn’t Richard Simmons recently get in a fight?[/quote]

I was using the word “fight” as a metaphor.

Way to bring the tension down, Zap.

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[quote]BarneyFife wrote:
Hack Wilson wrote:
BarneyFife wrote:
Hack Wilson wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Dedicated wrote:
My idea behind it is doing something that is hard and requires effort beyond the norm. Most people choose the easy way out and are lazy and weak. To choose to get off your ass and go to the gym to battle the weights takes a warrior like mentality. In reality it’s just something to get amped up on and get the test flowing.

If it offends you sorry. Are you a former or current true warrior? (side note, I did serve in the military and have been in a street fight or two in my younger days)

D

That’s how I feel about it. If you are military, cool, you may have a reason to be upset with it. If not, you are just bitching because someone else used a term to describe their effort. How is that possibly harming someone because they consider themselves a “warrior” in the weight room? Sometimes it may take that mentality for someone to competely change their habits and the way they look. The real question is, who are you to define someone else’s battles in life and how important they are to them?

Could a cancer patient be considered going to war by fighting the disease? Would that offend you?

Some of you are full of shit.

yeah. they wage a war on cancer. they wage war against their own obesity. i get it. i think the original question was about these people - like yourself - who’ve not acheived much athletically speaking and now want to be ‘warriors’ because they are in the gym a few nights a week.

you know, guys who pose for pictures and shit because…well…i guess i don’t know why people do that. i never have. oh, i’ve had my photo in some magazines here and there with 400-some pounds over my fucking head. but never posed. in my little brother’s tank-top. kneeling in my backyard. standing in front of my mirror. and YOU are saying someone ELSE is full of shit? oh, man.

The funny part of hack’s post is where he says that the proffesser has not achieved much athletically. Say that part again, I love to read what stupid people type.

im ignorant when it comes to professor x’s many athletic accomplishments. fill me in. right now i know that he lifts weights and poses for pictures. what else do you got?

270, and 5’10". X sometimes gets mistaken for a giant refrigerator. You don’t have to hold a football, or kick a soccer ball to be an athlete. Try to think in broader terms.[/quote]

i see. physical dimensions make you an athlete. unique definition, but…

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[quote]MaloVerde wrote:
I was using the word “fight” as a metaphor.

Way to bring the tension down, Zap.
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Metaphors and analogies are pretty sophisticated for some folks, be careful with those things man… they are loaded weapons.

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[quote]ckg21 wrote:
If you have to stretch for reasons to consider yourself a warrior (it’s a battle getting up for class every morning, it’s a battle to shit when constipated, etc…), then you probably aren’t one. It’s not being a warrior, it’s being human. Everyone struggles with one thing or another at some point.

Generally speaking, people think of warriors as people who have engaged in warfare and who may follow specific codes of conduct. Essentially, most people consider a warrior to be pretty much exactly what blondeguy said on page 3 (excellent post, by the way).

Hunting through dictionary definitions and cherrypicking one that fits you just to call yourself one is pretty lame.

It’s cool to think of yourself as being a warrior to get amped up for something (hell, I used to pretend to be my favorite NBA player during warmups to get pumped for games), but to run around calling yourself one is just a weak way to get an ego boost.[/quote]

I agree and as I said before it’s just a way or mindset to get amped up to do something tough. As far as ego goes the guys getting on here and saying one who call themselves a warrior is not warrior are doing the same ego stroking.

Indirectly they are saying “I would never say that so, I am that,”. Everyone here should stop jerking off and get to the gym to do some warfare with the weights! Hahaha

D

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[quote]Hack Wilson wrote:
i see. physical dimensions make you an athlete. unique definition, but…[/quote]

Hack, I need to know, is it working… do you feel better about yourself yet?