Sometimes after it rains, I slip onto campus with a canister of salt, and do my part to Washburns sidewalks of slugs. Sometimes I beat my manly chest after a couple of kills.
Being a “warrior” is pretty rough you know.
(please understand, this was a crappy attempt at humor, and in no way should be taken seriously.)
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
Professor X wrote:
I don’t even understand the debate. Why is anyone else trying to tell people how they should view whatever fight or struggle they have to go through in life?
Why do you worry about when people miuse works like “eating clean,” or “ripped”? Fuck it: Words mean whatever the speaker wants them to mean.
If someone is 6’, 135 lbs. and calls himself big, then he’s big.
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Again, “Professional”, you miss the point. I may think that going to college doesn’t take much effort. Some kid who grew up in poverty with no guidance may view simply getting to college as the greatest triumph they’ve ever experienced until they graduate. Out of both perspectives, it isn’t my place to lessen the significance of that act when it comes to that person’s perspective of it.
Some guy who loses a leg but still manages to win a marathon has overcome obstacles that most of us will never experience…but to some, he simply ran a marathon. To him, that may be his greatest accomplishment.
It isn’t “everyone else’s” place to define an individual’s fight or the mindset they should have to fight it. If they succeeded, and calling themselves a ‘warrior’ while going through it helped them come out the other end, more power to them.
You and everyone else with a bug up their ass about it plays no part in it whatsoever.
If being a ‘warrior’ is about a personal fight, where do YOU come into the equation in terms of someone else’s life?
We are discussing a mindset, right? If so, why are you so intent on making sure no one considers themselves a fighter or a ‘warrior’ when trying to succeed? Shouldn’t a motivator be doing just the opposite?
Shouldn’t they?
Just because Dickie the Gin is the real deal doesnt’ mean he’s not full of it most of the time/
The German tribesmen, Samurai and Vikings = warriors, The Roman Legions, Zulus and Prussians = Soldiers: There is a difference (for those in the know)…
[quote]BarneyFife wrote:
Hack Wilson wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Dedicated wrote:
My idea behind it is doing something that is hard and requires effort beyond the norm. Most people choose the easy way out and are lazy and weak. To choose to get off your ass and go to the gym to battle the weights takes a warrior like mentality. In reality it’s just something to get amped up on and get the test flowing.
If it offends you sorry. Are you a former or current true warrior? (side note, I did serve in the military and have been in a street fight or two in my younger days)
D
That’s how I feel about it. If you are military, cool, you may have a reason to be upset with it. If not, you are just bitching because someone else used a term to describe their effort. How is that possibly harming someone because they consider themselves a “warrior” in the weight room? Sometimes it may take that mentality for someone to competely change their habits and the way they look. The real question is, who are you to define someone else’s battles in life and how important they are to them?
Could a cancer patient be considered going to war by fighting the disease? Would that offend you?
Some of you are full of shit.
yeah. they wage a war on cancer. they wage war against their own obesity. i get it. i think the original question was about these people - like yourself - who’ve not acheived much athletically speaking and now want to be ‘warriors’ because they are in the gym a few nights a week.
you know, guys who pose for pictures and shit because…well…i guess i don’t know why people do that. i never have. oh, i’ve had my photo in some magazines here and there with 400-some pounds over my fucking head. but never posed. in my little brother’s tank-top. kneeling in my backyard. standing in front of my mirror. and YOU are saying someone ELSE is full of shit? oh, man.
The funny part of hack’s post is where he says that the proffesser has not achieved much athletically. Say that part again, I love to read what stupid people type.
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obviously i meant compared to me.
[quote]BarneyFife wrote:
Hack Wilson wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Dedicated wrote:
My idea behind it is doing something that is hard and requires effort beyond the norm. Most people choose the easy way out and are lazy and weak. To choose to get off your ass and go to the gym to battle the weights takes a warrior like mentality. In reality it’s just something to get amped up on and get the test flowing.
If it offends you sorry. Are you a former or current true warrior? (side note, I did serve in the military and have been in a street fight or two in my younger days)
D
That’s how I feel about it. If you are military, cool, you may have a reason to be upset with it. If not, you are just bitching because someone else used a term to describe their effort. How is that possibly harming someone because they consider themselves a “warrior” in the weight room? Sometimes it may take that mentality for someone to competely change their habits and the way they look. The real question is, who are you to define someone else’s battles in life and how important they are to them?
Could a cancer patient be considered going to war by fighting the disease? Would that offend you?
Some of you are full of shit.
yeah. they wage a war on cancer. they wage war against their own obesity. i get it. i think the original question was about these people - like yourself - who’ve not acheived much athletically speaking and now want to be ‘warriors’ because they are in the gym a few nights a week.
you know, guys who pose for pictures and shit because…well…i guess i don’t know why people do that. i never have. oh, i’ve had my photo in some magazines here and there with 400-some pounds over my fucking head. but never posed. in my little brother’s tank-top. kneeling in my backyard. standing in front of my mirror. and YOU are saying someone ELSE is full of shit? oh, man.
The funny part of hack’s post is where he says that the proffesser has not achieved much athletically. Say that part again, I love to read what stupid people type.
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im ignorant when it comes to professor x’s many athletic accomplishments. fill me in. right now i know that he lifts weights and poses for pictures. what else do you got?
[quote]panther2k wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Hack Wilson wrote:
Professor X wrote:
CaliforniaLaw wrote:
Professor X wrote:
That’s how I feel about it. If you are military, cool, you may have a reason to be upset with it. If not, you are just bitching because someone else used a term to describe their effort. How is that possibly harming someone because they consider themselves a “warrior” in the weight room? Sometimes it may take that mentality for someone to competely change their habits and the way they look. The real question is, who are you to define someone else’s battles in life and how important they are to them?
Words have meaning. Using your logic, someone who is 6’, 145 pounds is “big.”
The cancer patient issue is actually a pretty easy call: Is the person literally fighting against a force that is trying to kill him or her? Yep.
In today’s society, everyone is a winner. Now EVERYONE is a warrior.
You seem to have missed the point. For me, getting my degree was no easy task. I could very easily say I “fought” to get it. It isn’t up toi you to decide how important my personal battles are. It isn’t your place to make that distinction for anyone but yourself.
Orion, your post was deep and right on topic.
i’ve been in fights. literally. does that mean that i’m a WARRIOR?
you ‘fought’ for your degree. i can see why you would have to. but…jesus. is EVERYTHING about you?
No, everything is clearly about YOU…and your 150k a year salary…with the gardener…and the almost-pro-ball career. I wouldn’t dare take your place. You are worth too much to all of us.
He does seem to be a bit cocky for someone who was a failure as a professional athlete.
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we all fail at some point. i went to college for free and got payed to play football. i wasn’t good enough to get an active spot on an NFL roster.
some guys make the spot and never play. some guys get as far as special teams. some guys are backups. some guys start. some are stars. i walked away after one year and focused on other things, athletic and otherwise. i don’t display any of the trophies i won playing football, baseball or wrestling, weightlifting or powerlifting, golf or rec league basketball or softball. who gives a fuck.
i bring shit up HERE because there are lot of people i recognize and full-of-shit jokes who think they’ve done something because they’ve picked up a barbell and posed for a picture in their bathroom.
in my life i am respected and liked and i get along with everyone. i try for excellence in all areas of my life. like most, i don’t always get there. yeah. i AM a failed athlete. aren’t we all. i’m a failed lot’s of things. but i like where i am and where i’m going. do you?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
vroom wrote:
Y’know, whatever they are, warriors are still just people.
They don’t have to be elevated demigod status.
I don’t even understand the debate. Why is anyone else trying to tell people how they should view whatever fight or struggle they have to go through in life? If someone works abnormally hard for something, or fights for it, they can call themselves whatever the hell they want. They still stand out among millions of people who seem to be extremely happy with just being “average”.
The real question is why are there so many average mutherfuckers out there worried about what the above average call themselves?[/quote]
don’t tell me, that’s you, right? the warrior fucking dentist?
[quote]vroom wrote:
Y’know, whatever they are, warriors are still just people.
They don’t have to be elevated to demigod status.[/quote]
Good point. Many of them can actually be fighting for the wrong cause!
The gang bangers that shoot and kill rival gangs and support each other are warriors but they are not to be admired.
[quote]3rdman wrote:
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I think someone let a little too much of the macho crap in bootcamp infect their brain, especially since serving in the military doesn’t necessarily even mean combat…(driving a supplies truck makes you a warrior!)
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One of the more dangerous occupations in this modern warfare.
all bullshit aside, my take:
the term ‘warrior’, in american society, is obsolete. it does not apply to how any of us live our lives. it has become an analogy. and that is fine. it’s effective in conveying a meaning for how someone does his or her job. fair enough.
you have to look at a thing like this in a context. when i played football i was a warrior. i thought of myself as that and i was surrounded by guys who thought the exact same way because for the next few hours, in our minds, that’s what we were: warriors.
but when it’s all over, we were football players. and we all KNOW, deep down, that we were not warriors. you believe it when the game is on. but you know when it’s over that you ain’t a warrior and you never were.
if i get hit and i can’t get up someone is going to run out there and help me up, give me treatment. if a bomb goes off a block from the stadium, the game is over and we are out of there. warriors don’t get games called and they don’t get timeouts.
on meet day, it’s the same thing for me. i don’t talk to anyone. i have a different mind-set. i’d probably describe it as a warrior mentality. my wife does not even try to talk to me. i’m not angry. i’m ready for battle. I’m distracted. it’s a slow build up to what i gotta do. i’m focused on that. but when it’s over i know i’m not, and was never, a warrior. the term, it’s true meaning, just does not apply.
but i don’t begrudge it’s use. i don’t use it because i think that most people that use it are full of shit. they say things for affect. they usually say shit like that about themselves. i reserve that term. it’s like the term ‘brilliant’. i don’t use it much to describe people. when i do, i mean it and i believe it really applies.
leonardo davinci (most of you think he’s a character in the davinci code - he was a REAL GUY!) was a genius. i marvel at his works and his private notebook. put in the context of his times, he may have been the personification of the word.
eisenhower, rommell, ghengis khan, alexander the great, george washington, teddy roosevelt. these men were warriors. members of the roman preatorian guard. shit. i could go on. i’ve given enough to get attacked over already.
[quote]Blacksnake wrote:
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The German tribesmen, Samurai and Vikings = warriors, The Roman Legions, Zulus and Prussians = Soldiers: There is a difference (for those in the know)…
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The more I read about the Samurai the more I think they were bullies rather than warriors, at least in their later years.
My opinion is you have to seperate the warrior spirit and the warrior. Two different things.
Lot’s of people face personal challenges with a warrior spirit. Disabilities, setbacks, challenges. They attack the problem, overcome it and defeat it. It’s a mindset to dealing with a problem or setting a goal. A lot of guys who train fit into that category. Maybe not a lot, but some.
A warrior is something different. You can be athletic and carry yourself like a warrior but it’s not combat. You are not going to get killed and most likely will not have to kill your opponent. That’s a prerequisite to being a warrior.
I’ve met less then a half dozen guys I would consider warriors in my life. None were flashy, particularly tough looking or psychotic. All were measured men who knew how to fight and to kill, by whatever means they had available. It’s not about fighting fair, it’s about killing and winning. You wanted to be with them when the battle started. You know them when you see them.
[quote]Hack Wilson wrote:
in my life i am respected and liked and i get along with everyone. [/quote]
[quote]hedo wrote:
My opinion is you have to seperate the warrior spirit and the warrior. Two different things.
Lot’s of people face personal challenges with a warrior spirit. Disabilities, setbacks, challenges. They attack the problem, overcome it and defeat it. It’s a mindset to dealing with a problem or setting a goal. A lot of guys who train fit into that category. Maybe not a lot, but some.
A warrior is something different. You can be athletic and carry yourself like a warrior but it’s not combat. You are not going to get killed and most likely will not have to kill your opponent. That’s a prerequisite to being a warrior.
I’ve met less then a half dozen guys I would consider warriors in my life. None were flashy, particularly tough looking or psychotic. All were measured men who knew how to fight and to kill, by whatever means they had available. It’s not about fighting fair, it’s about killing and winning. You wanted to be with them when the battle started. You know them when you see them.[/quote]
I agree with just about everything you wrote, however, does any of this mean people should never make the analogy between what they struggle through and being a ‘warrior’? I personally don’t use the term because I feel pretty much like you do about it. However, there were many times in my life that I had to have a mindset like I was about to have the toughest battle of my life and I needed to come in fighting for what I believed in. If a person hasn’t felt that way in their lives, they probably aren’t that interesting. They have probably never dealt with any type of hardship and life has handed them everything.
If calling that fighting mindset that of a ‘warrior’ helps that person push through, why would anyone try to take that away from them? Unless it is a negative act, they shouldn’t.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
hedo wrote:
My opinion is you have to seperate the warrior spirit and the warrior. Two different things.
Lot’s of people face personal challenges with a warrior spirit. Disabilities, setbacks, challenges. They attack the problem, overcome it and defeat it. It’s a mindset to dealing with a problem or setting a goal. A lot of guys who train fit into that category. Maybe not a lot, but some.
A warrior is something different. You can be athletic and carry yourself like a warrior but it’s not combat. You are not going to get killed and most likely will not have to kill your opponent. That’s a prerequisite to being a warrior.
I’ve met less then a half dozen guys I would consider warriors in my life. None were flashy, particularly tough looking or psychotic. All were measured men who knew how to fight and to kill, by whatever means they had available. It’s not about fighting fair, it’s about killing and winning. You wanted to be with them when the battle started. You know them when you see them.
I agree with just about everything you wrote, however, does any of this mean people should never make the analogy between what they struggle through and being a ‘warrior’? I personally don’t use the term because I feel pretty much like you do about it. However, there were many times in my life that I had to have a mindset like I was about to have the toughest battle of my life and I needed to come in fighting for what I believed in. If a person hasn’t felt that way in their lives, they probably aren’t that interesting. They have probably never dealt with any type of hardship and life has handed them everything.
If calling that fighting mindset that of a ‘warrior’ helps that person push through, why would anyone try to take that away from them? Unless it is a negative act, they shouldn’t.[/quote]
Personally I don’t see anything wrong with drawing that analogy for internal motivation. I think it’s a strong motivator in a lot of cases.
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
Here are some “definately nots”:
bodybuilders
computer programmers
businessperson
I recognize, of course, that principles of war can be applied to business and other activities. But going bankrupt or missing a lift is quite a different thing from dying.[/quote]
Come on, every time I lose a deal, I die a little on the inside. I consider myself a banking warrior.
DB
[quote]Hack Wilson wrote:
panther2k wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Hack Wilson wrote:
Professor X wrote:
CaliforniaLaw wrote:
Professor X wrote:
That’s how I feel about it. If you are military, cool, you may have a reason to be upset with it. If not, you are just bitching because someone else used a term to describe their effort. How is that possibly harming someone because they consider themselves a “warrior” in the weight room? Sometimes it may take that mentality for someone to competely change their habits and the way they look. The real question is, who are you to define someone else’s battles in life and how important they are to them?
Words have meaning. Using your logic, someone who is 6’, 145 pounds is “big.”
The cancer patient issue is actually a pretty easy call: Is the person literally fighting against a force that is trying to kill him or her? Yep.
In today’s society, everyone is a winner. Now EVERYONE is a warrior.
You seem to have missed the point. For me, getting my degree was no easy task. I could very easily say I “fought” to get it. It isn’t up toi you to decide how important my personal battles are. It isn’t your place to make that distinction for anyone but yourself.
Orion, your post was deep and right on topic.
i’ve been in fights. literally. does that mean that i’m a WARRIOR?
you ‘fought’ for your degree. i can see why you would have to. but…jesus. is EVERYTHING about you?
No, everything is clearly about YOU…and your 150k a year salary…with the gardener…and the almost-pro-ball career. I wouldn’t dare take your place. You are worth too much to all of us.
He does seem to be a bit cocky for someone who was a failure as a professional athlete.
we all fail at some point. i went to college for free and got payed to play football. i wasn’t good enough to get an active spot on an NFL roster.
some guys make the spot and never play. some guys get as far as special teams. some guys are backups. some guys start. some are stars. i walked away after one year and focused on other things, athletic and otherwise. i don’t display any of the trophies i won playing football, baseball or wrestling, weightlifting or powerlifting, golf or rec league basketball or softball. who gives a fuck.
i bring shit up HERE because there are lot of people i recognize and full-of-shit jokes who think they’ve done something because they’ve picked up a barbell and posed for a picture in their bathroom.
in my life i am respected and liked and i get along with everyone. i try for excellence in all areas of my life. like most, i don’t always get there. yeah. i AM a failed athlete. aren’t we all. i’m a failed lot’s of things. but i like where i am and where i’m going. do you?[/quote]
Do I? Actually, yes I do.
And I am not a failed athlete.
[quote]duffman59 wrote:
CaliforniaLaw wrote:
The question you should really be asking is “Why do politicians who have never served in combat and would never send their own children to battle beat the war drum the loudest to send the young and the poor to learn to be ‘warriors?’”
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I think this is a misconception about politicians (maybe the only one). Because they are the ones in front of the media and making the decisions on whether or not we fight or not, they are perceived as war-mongers. Everyone probably knows more than one person who, after 9/11 said that we should just wipe out the Middle East. Those folks just aren’t holding press conferences or debating on tv when their comments are made.
While I would argue that all politicians should have some military experience or at least have worked a real job before holding office (something that doesn’t seem to happen much anymore), I don’t think it’s fair to say that they beat the war drum the loudest. It is just that their drums are the ones on camera.
War should always be a last resort, but sometimes it cannot be avoided.
And just a historical note, people have been buying their way out of war for thousands of years, this isn’t an American political phenomenon.
DB
I think after several pages of posts, people have gone off the tangent a little bit. The orginal point OP raised was he finds too many people “calling” themselves warriors. As one poster has pointed out, we know a warrior when we see one, you don’t need to say it out loud and claim that you’re a warrior. Here’s my 2 cents: if you have to tell others that you’re a warrior or constantly feel that efforts you put in life are warrior like, then you’re NOT a fucking warrior. Shut the fuck up and go stand in a corner, end of story.
[quote]3rdman wrote:
I think someone let a little too much of the macho crap in bootcamp infect their brain, especially since serving in the military doesn’t necessarily even mean combat…(driving a supplies truck makes you a warrior!)
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You either have never served or know nothing of the US military. Every soldier is gun ready and prepared to be in a battle zone at any given time.
How do you think the trigger pullers get their bullets? The supply drivers drive through the war fields and bring it to them, dumbass.
I think enough supply drivers have died in convoys for them to be considered warriors.