Lifting Weights = Warrior?

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[quote]Hack Wilson wrote:
panther2k wrote:
Hack Wilson wrote:
panther2k wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Hack Wilson wrote:
Professor X wrote:
CaliforniaLaw wrote:
Professor X wrote:
That’s how I feel about it. If you are military, cool, you may have a reason to be upset with it. If not, you are just bitching because someone else used a term to describe their effort. How is that possibly harming someone because they consider themselves a “warrior” in the weight room? Sometimes it may take that mentality for someone to competely change their habits and the way they look. The real question is, who are you to define someone else’s battles in life and how important they are to them?

Words have meaning. Using your logic, someone who is 6’, 145 pounds is “big.”

The cancer patient issue is actually a pretty easy call: Is the person literally fighting against a force that is trying to kill him or her? Yep.

In today’s society, everyone is a winner. Now EVERYONE is a warrior.

You seem to have missed the point. For me, getting my degree was no easy task. I could very easily say I “fought” to get it. It isn’t up toi you to decide how important my personal battles are. It isn’t your place to make that distinction for anyone but yourself.

Orion, your post was deep and right on topic.

i’ve been in fights. literally. does that mean that i’m a WARRIOR?

you ‘fought’ for your degree. i can see why you would have to. but…jesus. is EVERYTHING about you?

No, everything is clearly about YOU…and your 150k a year salary…with the gardener…and the almost-pro-ball career. I wouldn’t dare take your place. You are worth too much to all of us.

He does seem to be a bit cocky for someone who was a failure as a professional athlete.

we all fail at some point. i went to college for free and got payed to play football. i wasn’t good enough to get an active spot on an NFL roster.

some guys make the spot and never play. some guys get as far as special teams. some guys are backups. some guys start. some are stars. i walked away after one year and focused on other things, athletic and otherwise. i don’t display any of the trophies i won playing football, baseball or wrestling, weightlifting or powerlifting, golf or rec league basketball or softball. who gives a fuck.

i bring shit up HERE because there are lot of people i recognize and full-of-shit jokes who think they’ve done something because they’ve picked up a barbell and posed for a picture in their bathroom.

in my life i am respected and liked and i get along with everyone. i try for excellence in all areas of my life. like most, i don’t always get there. yeah. i AM a failed athlete. aren’t we all. i’m a failed lot’s of things. but i like where i am and where i’m going. do you?
Do I? Actually, yes I do.
And I am not a failed athlete.

how so, tough guy? [/quote]
Haha! “Tough guy”? I’m not the one bragging about all my athletic accomplishments on an internet forum. Let’s just say I have accomplished every bit as much as you, but unlike you, I don’t feel the need to brag about it cause at this point, it hasn’t amounted to shit. Difference is, I will succeed where you failed. Congratulations on your 2nd choice life, I’ll think of you while I’m living out my 1st.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
Hack Wilson wrote:
i see. physical dimensions make you an athlete. unique definition, but…

Hack, I need to know, is it working… do you feel better about yourself yet?[/quote]

What the hell is he so pissed about he has already told us he is the richest, strongest, happiest, almost pro athlete, in the world. Seems pretty crabby considering his lot.

D

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[quote]MaloVerde wrote:
3rdman wrote:
Professor X wrote:
MaloVerde wrote:
3rdman wrote:

So risking your life makes you a warrior? Having cancer, cliff diving, binge drinking, and such all make you a warrior I guess? My entire point was that limiting a warrior to “someone who serves in the army” is somewhat retarded.

And if the supplies truck example wasn’t good enough, how about the guy who fuels planes a country away from the fighting? Or the guy who programs military software? Or the guy who designs the bulletproof vests? I’ll admit all of these guys are important and do their jobs well, but calling them warriors simply because they wear the uniform?

How about we all stop trying to do the impossible by attempting to come up with some kind of lists of qualifications for being a warrior?

And as for “fighting for the country,” I think with how we are going to hell economically that it will probably be civilians who save this country. Being able to fight in poorly thought out political occupations is hardly the only way to fight for the country.

You two post troll!

Are you implying that a man prepared for war but never tastes it is not a warrior?

A warrior is not only defined by what he has done, but what he is willing to do.

A true warrior can feel fear but follows through, regardless of the consequences.

Being a warrior has nothing to do with the actual fight. It has everything to do with being willing to fight.

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I’ll disagree.

One can feel like a warrior and certainly train like a warrior, he may even carry himself like one but until he is tested, in battle, it’s all speculation. Nobody knows how they will react. Not the individual himself and certainly not those who would judge him.

The warrior is tested and judged in battle, mortal combat, with no second place and no second chances. Some men yearn to challenge themselves this way, others run from it. It’s not always the ones you think either.

Again, I’m seperating the man from the mindset and the actions from the intent.

Fascinating discussion.

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[quote]panther2k wrote:
Hack Wilson wrote:
panther2k wrote:
Hack Wilson wrote:
panther2k wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Hack Wilson wrote:
Professor X wrote:
CaliforniaLaw wrote:
Professor X wrote:
That’s how I feel about it. If you are military, cool, you may have a reason to be upset with it. If not, you are just bitching because someone else used a term to describe their effort. How is that possibly harming someone because they consider themselves a “warrior” in the weight room? Sometimes it may take that mentality for someone to competely change their habits and the way they look. The real question is, who are you to define someone else’s battles in life and how important they are to them?

Words have meaning. Using your logic, someone who is 6’, 145 pounds is “big.”

The cancer patient issue is actually a pretty easy call: Is the person literally fighting against a force that is trying to kill him or her? Yep.

In today’s society, everyone is a winner. Now EVERYONE is a warrior.

You seem to have missed the point. For me, getting my degree was no easy task. I could very easily say I “fought” to get it. It isn’t up toi you to decide how important my personal battles are. It isn’t your place to make that distinction for anyone but yourself.

Orion, your post was deep and right on topic.

i’ve been in fights. literally. does that mean that i’m a WARRIOR?

you ‘fought’ for your degree. i can see why you would have to. but…jesus. is EVERYTHING about you?

No, everything is clearly about YOU…and your 150k a year salary…with the gardener…and the almost-pro-ball career. I wouldn’t dare take your place. You are worth too much to all of us.

He does seem to be a bit cocky for someone who was a failure as a professional athlete.

we all fail at some point. i went to college for free and got payed to play football. i wasn’t good enough to get an active spot on an NFL roster.

some guys make the spot and never play. some guys get as far as special teams. some guys are backups. some guys start. some are stars. i walked away after one year and focused on other things, athletic and otherwise. i don’t display any of the trophies i won playing football, baseball or wrestling, weightlifting or powerlifting, golf or rec league basketball or softball. who gives a fuck.

i bring shit up HERE because there are lot of people i recognize and full-of-shit jokes who think they’ve done something because they’ve picked up a barbell and posed for a picture in their bathroom.

in my life i am respected and liked and i get along with everyone. i try for excellence in all areas of my life. like most, i don’t always get there. yeah. i AM a failed athlete. aren’t we all. i’m a failed lot’s of things. but i like where i am and where i’m going. do you?
Do I? Actually, yes I do.
And I am not a failed athlete.

how so, tough guy?
Haha! “Tough guy”? I’m not the one bragging about all my athletic accomplishments on an internet forum. Let’s just say I have accomplished every bit as much as you, but unlike you, I don’t feel the need to brag about it cause at this point, it hasn’t amounted to shit. Difference is, I will succeed where you failed. Congratulations on your 2nd choice life, I’ll think of you while I’m living out my 1st choice.

[/quote]

please do.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
Hack Wilson wrote:
i see. physical dimensions make you an athlete. unique definition, but…

Hack, I need to know, is it working… do you feel better about yourself yet?[/quote]

not really. i get down, sure. i cry. it doesn’t help.

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[quote]Dedicated wrote:
vroom wrote:
Hack Wilson wrote:
i see. physical dimensions make you an athlete. unique definition, but…

Hack, I need to know, is it working… do you feel better about yourself yet?

What the hell is he so pissed about he has already told us he is the richest, strongest, happiest, almost pro athlete, in the world. Seems pretty crabby considering his lot.

D [/quote]

Perhaps it is the painful realization that regardless of how much money you make, how many cars you have, what country your gardener is from, or how many football teams you ‘almost’ made it onto…when you are all alone with that girl in the middle of the night, and the lights are dimmed just bright enough to mimic mysterious candle light…

size still matters.

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[quote]Hack Wilson wrote:
panther2k wrote:
Hack Wilson wrote:
panther2k wrote:
Hack Wilson wrote:
panther2k wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Hack Wilson wrote:
Professor X wrote:
CaliforniaLaw wrote:
Professor X wrote:
That’s how I feel about it. If you are military, cool, you may have a reason to be upset with it. If not, you are just bitching because someone else used a term to describe their effort. How is that possibly harming someone because they consider themselves a “warrior” in the weight room? Sometimes it may take that mentality for someone to competely change their habits and the way they look. The real question is, who are you to define someone else’s battles in life and how important they are to them?

Words have meaning. Using your logic, someone who is 6’, 145 pounds is “big.”

The cancer patient issue is actually a pretty easy call: Is the person literally fighting against a force that is trying to kill him or her? Yep.

In today’s society, everyone is a winner. Now EVERYONE is a warrior.

You seem to have missed the point. For me, getting my degree was no easy task. I could very easily say I “fought” to get it. It isn’t up toi you to decide how important my personal battles are. It isn’t your place to make that distinction for anyone but yourself.

Orion, your post was deep and right on topic.

i’ve been in fights. literally. does that mean that i’m a WARRIOR?

you ‘fought’ for your degree. i can see why you would have to. but…jesus. is EVERYTHING about you?

No, everything is clearly about YOU…and your 150k a year salary…with the gardener…and the almost-pro-ball career. I wouldn’t dare take your place. You are worth too much to all of us.

He does seem to be a bit cocky for someone who was a failure as a professional athlete.

we all fail at some point. i went to college for free and got payed to play football. i wasn’t good enough to get an active spot on an NFL roster.

some guys make the spot and never play. some guys get as far as special teams. some guys are backups. some guys start. some are stars. i walked away after one year and focused on other things, athletic and otherwise. i don’t display any of the trophies i won playing football, baseball or wrestling, weightlifting or powerlifting, golf or rec league basketball or softball. who gives a fuck.

i bring shit up HERE because there are lot of people i recognize and full-of-shit jokes who think they’ve done something because they’ve picked up a barbell and posed for a picture in their bathroom.

in my life i am respected and liked and i get along with everyone. i try for excellence in all areas of my life. like most, i don’t always get there. yeah. i AM a failed athlete. aren’t we all. i’m a failed lot’s of things. but i like where i am and where i’m going. do you?
Do I? Actually, yes I do.
And I am not a failed athlete.

how so, tough guy?
Haha! “Tough guy”? I’m not the one bragging about all my athletic accomplishments on an internet forum. Let’s just say I have accomplished every bit as much as you, but unlike you, I don’t feel the need to brag about it cause at this point, it hasn’t amounted to shit. Difference is, I will succeed where you failed. Congratulations on your 2nd choice life, I’ll think of you while I’m living out my 1st choice.

please do. [/quote]
No problem. Remember, like Prof said, there will always be people richer, stronger, bigger, faster, more athletic, and more successful than you. Just don’t let it get you down and you’ll be ok!

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i’m curious: did i get off on the wrong foot with you all?

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Carry on the fight guys… I’m off to the gym to pretend I’m a warrior… to emulate one as best I can given the life I lead…

And I don’t need any damned approval to use that analogy or adopt that mindset to whatever level possible.

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[quote]Hack Wilson wrote:
i’m curious: did i get off on the wrong foot with you all?[/quote]
I will admit I looked at the “white trash” thread X referenced on the first page. Didn’t feel like bumping a week old thread so I just lashed out at you on here. That was probably unwarranted. lol

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[quote]Dedicated wrote:
CaliforniaLaw wrote:
BarneyFife wrote:
If putting ones life at risk is what makes someone a warrior, then I would like to say that not all military personel are warriors, and a lot of people that are not military personel are warriors.

Logging and mining are very dangerous.
Working on military computers at cheyenne mountain in Colorado Springs is not.

These are great counter examples that test the definition. Off the top of my head, here’s who I’d say definately are warriors:

combat soldiers
gang bangers
monguls/hell’s angels
cancer patients
police who patrol dangerous areas

Here are some "maybes::
combat athletes (pro fighters, etc.)
people who live in bad neighborhoods (where survival is a daily struggle)
police

Here are some “definately nots”:
bodybuilders
computer programmers
businessperson

I recognize, of course, that principles of war can be applied to business and other activities. But going bankrupt or missing a lift is quite a different thing from dying.

Gang Bangers? Gang Bangers? You are holding up some of the biggest pussies on the planet as warriors. The great majority of gang bangers I have seen in my life, and believe me there’s many in my hometown, are little punks who weight about 130 pounds and couldn’t fight there way out of a paper bag.
[/quote]

I agree, I work with plenty of gang bangers every day in prison, and I definately don’t agree with calling them “warriors.” Take away their guns, and put them by themselves, and see how warrior-like they are.

Sure, plenty talk a lot of shit, sure they have been in bad situations, after all, that’s why they’re in prison, but it’s very rare for one who’s been trying to talk shit to me to actually follow through. Why? Because they’re pussies who thrive off of being in a group, with weapons, where the odds are in their favor.

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[quote]hedo wrote:
I’ll disagree.

One can feel like a warrior and certainly train like a warrior, he may even carry himself like one but until he is tested, in battle, it’s all speculation. Nobody knows how they will react. Not the individual himself and certainly not those who would judge him.

The warrior is tested and judged in battle, mortal combat, with no second place and no second chances. Some men yearn to challenge themselves this way, others run from it. It’s not always the ones you think either.

Again, I’m seperating the man from the mindset and the actions from the intent.

Fascinating discussion.

[/quote]

We’ll definately have to agree to disagree.

I think your outlook limits “warrior” status to fit your ideals of physical combat, and does not consider the “non-combative” tribulations that require immense courage also.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Again, “Professional”, you miss the point. [/quote]

No. I get your point. Your point is that it is not proper for one person to define another’s existence. If a person views himself as a warrior after he accomplished something significant, then it is not any else’s place to tell him he is not.

Now, you’re missing MY point: Words have meaning and thus can be misused and misapplied. A horse that calls itself a donkey is still a horse.

Listen, if a guy accomplishes great things by viewing himself as a king, queen, warrior, philosopher, whatever, I don’t care. Whatever works. Life is a daily struggle so it’s obnoxious to tell him otherwise. It might even be player hating. At least he is accomplishing something.

But that doesn’t mean that he is ACTUALLY a warrior, king, philsopher, or whatever.

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You guys are all FUCKING CRAZY! vroom was the only smart one who decided to go lift weights.

You’re all arguing over a “WORD”. What the FUCK! At least let that word be P U N T A N G!

C’mon YOU ARE ALL WARRIORS! You can be whatever the fuck you want to be… as long as YOU believe it.

Everyone in this thread is a Genius, a Warrior, and has a an 18 inch cock. I’m the only imbecile here with the lowest I.Q. in the history of the earth… I’m not even typing this right now because I’m too stupid to learn how to press buttons so a friend is doing it for me(wait a minute, I have no friends so I paid a guy to type this for me), I’m a coward, and my dick is 1 inch fully erect.

Words have no meaning. ACTIONS do!

Take your words and shove them straight up your ass! All mine are being shoved up my ass right now. I feel nothing!

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[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
…
Now, you’re missing MY point: Words have meaning and thus can be misused and misapplied. A horse that calls itself a donkey is still a horse.

…[/quote]

Sounds like a jackass to me.

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[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Again, “Professional”, you miss the point.

No. I get your point. Your point is that it is not proper for one person to define another’s existence. If a person views himself as a warrior after he accomplished something significant, then it is not any else’s place to tell him he is not.

Now, you’re missing MY point: Words have meaning and thus can be misused and misapplied. A horse that calls itself a donkey is still a horse.

Listen, if a guy accomplishes great things by viewing himself as a king, queen, warrior, philosopher, whatever, I don’t care. Whatever works. Life is a daily struggle so it’s obnoxious to tell him otherwise. It might even be player hating. At least he is accomplishing something.

But that doesn’t mean that he is ACTUALLY a warrior, king, philsopher, or whatever.[/quote]

It’s all semantics Mr. Law. Now quit beating your dead horse or donkey or gosh damn jackass and commune with the weights, be friendly with the weights, mind meld with the weights, or unleash a nuclear barrage on them. Just get to it.

D

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hack…shhhhhhhh

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[quote]Go heavy fool wrote:
You guys are all FUCKING CRAZY! vroom was the only smart one who decided to go lift weights.

You’re all arguing over a “WORD”. What the FUCK! At least let that word be P U N T A N G!

…[/quote]

We can argue about the spelling of that word. I believe it is POONTANG.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Go heavy fool wrote:
You guys are all FUCKING CRAZY! vroom was the only smart one who decided to go lift weights.

You’re all arguing over a “WORD”. What the FUCK! At least let that word be P U N T A N G!

…

We can argue about the spelling of that word. I believe it is POONTANG.[/quote]

I thought any self respecting male knew that word better than “steak” or “blowjob”.

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[quote]hedo wrote:

Again, I’m seperating the man from the mindset and the actions from the intent.

[/quote]

This is the best line about this topic on this whole thread.

DB