[quote]cueball wrote:
One thing does confuse me though. He suggests taking a Leucine supplement between meals to optimize MPS. Wouldn’t that effectively close the 4-6 hour window and keep levels elevated?[/quote]
Creating a supra-physiological rise in plasma AA levels (such as using leucine or MAG-10 pulses between meals) may overcome the refractory response. We know leucine/MAG-10 would be rapidly digested and get into the bloodstream fast, which would elevate plasma AA levels beyond the meal-induced plateau.
So pulsing either 1) enhances the anabolic response or 2) overcomes the refractory response. [/quote]
Wish I had time to discuss this more right now, but I’ll have to pick it back up in the morning.
Some of you guys seem pretty knowledgeable about protein intake as it pertains to training. What are your thoughts on the classic 1-2 grams per pound of bodyweight metric? Do you like a g per lb or 1.5g per lb or what? Anyone think that is excessive and you may only need like .75g per lb or something?
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
…However it does take some time, your GI system has the ability to absorb nutrients really from the mouth to the rectum. [/quote]
[quote]csulli wrote:
Some of you guys seem pretty knowledgeable about protein intake as it pertains to training. What are your thoughts on the classic 1-2 grams per pound of bodyweight metric? Do you like a g per lb or 1.5g per lb or what? Anyone think that is excessive and you may only need like .75g per lb or something?[/quote]
I think it is excessive for what passes as the “average gym goer” today. Let’s face it, most of the people in the gym lately aren’t even trying hard…so someone like that worrying about 1gr per pound of body weight is a waste of time and money.
For the guy busting his ass in the gym though and really growing because of it, I think 1gr per pound is great place to start.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
…However it does take some time, your GI system has the ability to absorb nutrients really from the mouth to the rectum. [/quote]
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
…However it does take some time, your GI system has the ability to absorb nutrients really from the mouth to the rectum. [/quote]
[quote]csulli wrote:
Some of you guys seem pretty knowledgeable about protein intake as it pertains to training. What are your thoughts on the classic 1-2 grams per pound of bodyweight metric? Do you like a g per lb or 1.5g per lb or what? Anyone think that is excessive and you may only need like .75g per lb or something?[/quote]
I’m usually around 2.5 g per kg body weight, that’s the sweet spot for me. I don’t excessively track protein really… I eat 3-4 meals a day of 50-60g protein, have 3 MAG-10 pulses a day, and 2 scoops Anaconda on lifting days.
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If you are cutting than higher protein is probably good (to preserve muscle, satiety, thermic effect), somewhere in the range of 1.25 - 1.5 g per lb bw. Sometimes the higher range is such a bitch and not really necessary unless you are going completely carbless or something. If you are not cutting then I think 1.0 g per lb bw is completely fine and any more than that is probably unnecessary if you are not taking AAS.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
…However it does take some time, your GI system has the ability to absorb nutrients really from the mouth to the rectum. [/quote]
Mouth to rectum, huh?[/quote]
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That’s a full house skeleton.[/quote]
Sexy[/quote]
[quote]csulli wrote:
Some of you guys seem pretty knowledgeable about protein intake as it pertains to training. What are your thoughts on the classic 1-2 grams per pound of bodyweight metric? Do you like a g per lb or 1.5g per lb or what? Anyone think that is excessive and you may only need like .75g per lb or something?[/quote]
I think it is excessive for what passes as the “average gym goer” today. Let’s face it, most of the people in the gym lately aren’t even trying hard…so someone like that worrying about 1gr per pound of body weight is a waste of time and money.
For the guy busting his ass in the gym though and really growing because of it, I think 1gr per pound is great place to start.[/quote]
Agreed.
1 gram per pound of BW is a great start for most but it all depends on your goals.
IMO, anything over 1.5 would be excessive for a natural trainee who does not have the extra “help” with protein synthesis and absorption.
If someone is overly fat, which is dependent on their own goals, then basing protein intake off of lean body mass vs body weight might not be a bad idea.
Again, that is all dependent on the persons goals and training.
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
If someone is overly fat, which is dependent on their own goals, then basing protein intake off of lean body mass vs body weight might not be a bad idea.
Again, that is all dependent on the persons goals and training.[/quote]
I do that for truly obese are “over-fat” people. No one over 30% body fat should be using body weight.
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
If someone is overly fat, which is dependent on their own goals, then basing protein intake off of lean body mass vs body weight might not be a bad idea.
Again, that is all dependent on the persons goals and training.[/quote]
I do that for truly obese are “over-fat” people. No one over 30% body fat should be using body weight.[/quote]
While this kid should base it being fully dressed, in a coat, hat and carrying about 20 pounds of change.
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
If someone is overly fat, which is dependent on their own goals, then basing protein intake off of lean body mass vs body weight might not be a bad idea.
Again, that is all dependent on the persons goals and training.[/quote]
I do that for truly obese are “over-fat” people. No one over 30% body fat should be using body weight.[/quote]
that is partially what I am referring to. If you are obese, you do not need 1.5 g per pound of total weight.
[quote]csulli wrote:
Thanks for the replies! Guess I need to up my protein intake…[/quote]
Are you PL or BB type?
My opinion is if your numbers are going up you are eating enough[/quote]
PL. My numbers are going up. I probably only get about .5g per lb though.[/quote]
So maybe a little more protein you can see if you recover better and have better numbers.
Should be easy to measure if you change nothing else
I think people are too worried about “waste” when it comes to protein
Nothing is wasted
If it’s not used for protein synthesis, it’s used for energy. Contrast this with carbs or fat which has no potential for building muscle mass
From an evolutionary perspective, I think massive intakes of protein are normal, feast and famine. As opposed to artificially small doses of protein due to some need to conform to the “6 meals a day”.
Also, the studies done by Norton were related to Leucine and not other amino acids. Blood AA will be elevated after massive doses of protein, but not necessarily Muscle Protein Synthesis.
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
how many cals a day are you eating
the 2k drink: what are the ingredients and amounts used (eg 3 scoops of powder, etc)
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[quote]marshaldteach wrote:
I think people are too worried about “waste” when it comes to protein
Nothing is wasted
If it’s not used for protein synthesis, it’s used for energy. Contrast this with carbs or fat which has no potential for building muscle mass.
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If, according to you, protein is the only macronutrient with potential to build muscle wouldn’t that mean the sole purpose of its intake is to build muscle?
Again, according to you, fat and carbs cannot possibly build muscle so the sole purpose of their intake is for energy right?
Why would a person use protein for energy on purpose when they could use fats and carbs, which are of course designed to be used as energy and are cheaper than protein?
[quote]marshaldteach wrote:
I think people are too worried about “waste” when it comes to protein
Nothing is wasted
If it’s not used for protein synthesis, it’s used for energy. Contrast this with carbs or fat which has no potential for building muscle mass.
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If, according to you, protein is the only macronutrient with potential to build muscle wouldn’t that mean the sole purpose of its intake is to build muscle?
Again, according to you, fat and carbs cannot possibly build muscle so the sole purpose of their intake is for energy right?
Why would a person use protein for energy on purpose when they could use fats and carbs, which are of course designed to be used as energy and are cheaper than protein?
Would this not be “wasting” protein?
Thank you in advance for your reply.[/quote]
why is cost involved in the equation?
the cheapest thing to eat would be straight olive oil, but you wouldn’t build any muscle on that
your body isn’t going to tell you when enough protein is enough, I don’t see the issue with going overboard on protein unless you are on a budget.
dunno what you are implying with your first/second sentence (the If part)
